Scripture readings for Christmas

(Yesterday, 10:33 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Only minute, like 0.001% of Shias have a different theology. Other than that, we have almost a 100% agreement on theology. We all say God is One, with no partners. We all say the Quran is the verbatim word of Allah, and preserved. We all say Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم is the messenger of Allah.

Now, tell me again if the differences in the scholarly interpretations cause a division in theology.

You moslems can agree to the most basic ones like God is one and there are no partners....but the Quran is unlike any complex texts..I'm sure you will agree..

Moslem scholars have developed different methods of interpreting the Quran, leading to a range of perspectives on its meaning and application....
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(Yesterday, 10:37 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You moslems can agree to the most basic ones like God is one and there are no partners....but the Quran is unlike any complex texts..I'm sure you will agree..

Moslem scholars have developed different methods of interpreting the Quran, leading to a range of perspectives on its meaning and application....

Does it cause a division among us? Can we all still do solah and Hajj together?
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(Yesterday, 10:37 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So, are the disciples also Gods because Jesus said they are also one with Jesus and God?

No... The disciples are united with Christ in a spiritual sense not in the divine sense
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(Yesterday, 10:40 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  No... The disciples are united with Christ in a spiritual sense not in the divine sense

Jesus said they will be in the same oneness, just like Jesus and the Father.
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(Yesterday, 10:39 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Does it cause a division among us? Can we all still do solah and Hajj together?

The division is only on how one interprets the text because there is no agreement on how the texts should be interpreted...everyone interprets their own way...that is why a divine message must always be clear and not cause any division
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(Yesterday, 10:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Jesus said they will be in the same oneness, just like Jesus and the Father.

Yes a oneness of purpose and love
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(Yesterday, 10:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The division is only on how one interprets the text because there is no agreement on how the texts should be interpreted...everyone interprets their own way...that is why a divine message must always be clear and not cause any division

Did it cause any division in our nation? 

The answer is no. So I don't know why you're saying it causes division. So what if the scholars have different styles in their rendering of the Quranic verses? 

Don't make your own rule and impose it on us.
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(Yesterday, 10:18 PM)Hope Wrote:  If 2 millions leaves annually, How many churches should they build to accommodate those new converts in Turkey?

Turkey was once a Christian country.  what is the percentage of Christian there now ?

Followers of NT in Turkey were the ones first called Christian.

 Paul lived and buried in Turkey.

OT and NT have mentioned about Turkey .

Turkey was the birth place of Many apostles and saints.

Turkey is the home to seven churches of Asia mentioned in book of revelation.

Paul has addressed many of his letters to churches in Turkey.

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Why aren’t there Christian in Judea, the birth place of Jesus ?Do you still believe that your religion is true?

Why aren’t there Christian in Turkey, the birth place of many apostles , saint and churches?Do you still believe their writings and the religion they promoted are true?

I will reply you tomorrow..time to sleep
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(Yesterday, 10:44 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes a oneness of purpose and love

So why do you say Jesus is God when the oneness is of purpose and love?
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(Yesterday, 10:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Did it cause any division in our nation? 

The answer is no. So I don't know why you're saying it causes division. So what if the scholars have different styles in their rendering of the Quranic verses? 

Don't make your own rule and impose it on us.

The fact is that if you have Muhammad's commentary then there is no need for other scholars to tell us how to interpret
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(Yesterday, 10:47 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So why do you say Jesus is God when the oneness is of purpose and love?

Because He claims to be God! The disciples, Jesus and the Father is of the oneness of purpose and love
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(Yesterday, 10:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Because He claims to be God! The disciples, Jesus and the Father is of the oneness of purpose and love

Jesus said the disciples will be in the same oneness, just like he and the Father are one. 

Why do you differentiate it when Jesus said it is the same?
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(Yesterday, 10:49 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The fact is that if you have Muhammad's commentary then there is no need for other scholars to tell us how to interpret

So now you want to make rules for us?
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(Yesterday, 10:49 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The fact is that if you have Muhammad's commentary then there is no need for other scholars to tell us how to interpret

Prophet Muhammad commentaries are in Arabic.
He didn’t speak English.Can you expect him to give commentary in English?He knew this problem. That is why he made us to recite Quran in Arabic only.

How are you sure that bible was interpreted correctly from Aramaic > Hebrew > Greek > English?

We have the original Quran in Arabic. Do you have the original bible in Aramaic?

Have you ever compared the bible verses in different languages ? Please forward few verses in these languages . Let’s check those interpretations.

Greek Vs English?


English Vs Chinese?


English Vs Malay?


English Vs Bahasa Indo?
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Christianity is fundamentally about a relationship with God, particularly through Jesus Christ. This relationship is not just about following religious rules, but about a personal connection and love. While Christianity is also a religion with doctrines, practices, and a community, the core experience centers on the believer's relationship with God

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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The Bible does not prohibit all repetitive prayer, but it does caution against vain repetitions or meaningless babbling. Jesus, in the Sermon on the Mount, warned against using "vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do," who "think that they shall be heard for their much speaking". The emphasis is on sincerity and genuine communication with God, not on the quantity or repetition of words. 

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  • [size=11]"Vain repetitions" are discouraged:
    [size=11]This refers to prayers that are insincere, mechanical, or intended to impress others or manipulate God with a large number of words. 
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    [size=11]Prayers should be heartfelt and express genuine needs and desires to God. 
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  • [size=11]Perseverance in prayer is encouraged:
    [size=11]The Bible also emphasizes the importance of persistent prayer, asking for the same things repeatedly, especially when it is aligned with God's will. This is distinct from vain repetitions. 
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  • [size=11]Examples of repetitive prayer in the Bible:
    [size=11]The Bible includes instances where people prayed repeatedly for the same things, like Elijah's prayers for rain (1 Kings 18:42-44) and Jesus' prayers in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matthew 26:39, 42, 44), according to Bible Hub. These examples demonstrate that repetitive prayer is not inherently wrong, especially when accompanied by sincerity and a focus on God's will. 
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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The phrase "Spirit of truth" refers to the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity in Christian theology. Jesus calls the Holy Spirit the "Spirit of truth" and emphasizes His role in guiding believers into all truth. This guidance involves not just imparting knowledge, but also transforming hearts and minds to understand and apply God's Word. The Spirit of truth also reveals the truth about Jesus Christ and helps believers discern truth from error. 

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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She regrets to convert

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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She left Islam after being forced as 4th wife

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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“Jesus said to them, “I know you will tell me the old saying: ‘Doctor, heal yourself.’ You want to say, ‘We heard about the things you did in Capernaum. Do those same things here in your own hometown!’” Then he said, “The truth is, a prophet is not accepted in his own hometown. “During the time of Elijah it did not rain in Israel for three and a half years. There was no food anywhere in the whole country. There were many widows in Israel during that time. But the fact is, Elijah was sent to none of those widows in Israel. He was sent only to a widow in Zarephath, a town in Sidon.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4‬:‭23‬-‭26‬ ‭ERV

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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https://youtube.com/shorts/xlyhRddj8EY?s...QpKRFsiJUr

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Koran gave land of the Palestinian to the Jews !

https://youtu.be/VCA7dhFMG7k?si=VQAP8w5QIcUeNS0G

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:59 PM)Hope Wrote:  Prophet Muhammad commentaries are in Arabic.
He didn’t speak English.Can you expect him to give commentary in English?He knew this problem. That is why he made us to recite Quran in Arabic only.

How are you sure that bible was interpreted correctly from Aramaic > Hebrew > Greek > English?

We have the original Quran in Arabic. Do you have the original bible in Aramaic?

Have you ever compared the bible verses in different languages ? Please forward few verses in these languages . Let’s check those interpretations.

Greek  Vs English?


English Vs Chinese?


English Vs Malay?


English Vs Bahasa Indo?

You do not have Muhammad commentary or written Tafsir (exegesis of the Quran)...there may be some but not all the verses were explained by Muhammad

Scholars like  Ibn Abbas, Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, al-Zamakhshari, Ibn Kathir, help Muhammad contribute to the tafsirs...

I'm telling you what matters is Muhammad's tafsir. Only he knows the real meanings behind his verses but unfortunately it was never written

This report was narrated by Al-Bazzâr on the authority of ʿÂishah, who said: “The Prophet was not in the habit of explicating the meanings of the Quran. He, rather, discoursed on the meanings of some âyât, which he learned from the archangel Jibrîl.”
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(Yesterday, 10:18 PM)Hope Wrote:  If 2 millions leaves annually, How many churches should they build to accommodate those new converts in Turkey?

Turkey was once a Christian country.  what is the percentage of Christian there now ?

Followers of NT in Turkey were the ones first called Christian.

 Paul lived and buried in Turkey.

OT and NT have mentioned about Turkey .

Turkey was the birth place of Many apostles and saints.

Turkey is the home to seven churches of Asia mentioned in book of revelation.

Paul has addressed many of his letters to churches in Turkey.

Question is,

Why aren’t there Christian in Judea, the birth place of Jesus ?Do you still believe that your religion is true?

Why aren’t there Christian in Turkey, the birth place of many apostles , saint and churches?Do you still believe their writings and the religion they promoted are true?

Turkey is not a strict moslem country..it promotes LGBTQ+ pride parades..Turkey even ban the Sharia law choosing new westernized civil and penal codes......now tell me why this Islamic country  99% moslems is not choosing to follow Muhammad's commands ...

Why aren’t there Christian in Judea, the birth place of Jesus ?Do you still believe that your religion is true?

There are still christians living in Judea but not many...Yes. Christianity is the truth if you believe in God's will. The largest religion therefore truly reflect the will of God, it is not by coincidence!

Why aren’t there Christian in Turkey, the birth place of many apostles , saint and churches?Do you still believe their writings and the religion they promoted are true?

Because the moslems have unalive most of the Christians ... remember the ottoman empire, it all started from Turkey..the christian genocides all from the turks! Which christian dares to live among them?

I have not read any writings of the other apostles that are from Turkey
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(Today, 12:41 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Koran gave land of the Palestinian to the Jews !

https://youtu.be/VCA7dhFMG7k?si=VQAP8w5QIcUeNS0G

Big GrinHe provides you with straightforward answers... his videos are entertaining... and the reactions from Moslems are always funny.
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(Yesterday, 10:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Did it cause any division in our nation? 

The answer is no. So I don't know why you're saying it causes division. So what if the scholars have different styles in their rendering of the Quranic verses? 

Don't make your own rule and impose it on us.

Do you know why there are plenty of radical moslems? Because the Quran encourages own interpretations
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(Today, 05:04 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Do you know why there are plenty of radical moslems? Because the Quran encourages own interpretations

Many false Christians also misinterpreted the Bible and formed cults lah! Big Grin
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(Today, 05:04 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Do you know why there are plenty of radical moslems? Because the Quran encourages own interpretations

Have you counted how many radicals there are in Islam, or Christianity, or Buddhism, or Hinduism?

The Quran encourages us, even exhorts us, to think. And most importantly, the Quran advises us to go to the experts when we know we don't know.
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(Today, 04:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Christianity is the truth if you believe in God's will. The largest religion therefore truly reflect the will of God, it is not by coincidence!

Which type of Christianity? The Trinitarians? The Unitarians? The Orthodox? The Catholics? 

And why is it Jesus will chase away MANY, not some, not few, but MANY Christians?
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