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(Yesterday, 07:39 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did the Father say He alone is God and besides Him there is no other? The answer is yes. The Father made that clear, with absolutely zero ambiguity.
You can only find these verses in the OT emphasizing the unique and exclusive nature of the God of Israel.
Jesus in the NT explains and give clues that God is 3 persons
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(Yesterday, 07:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did you read your Bible properly?
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. - Matthew 5
Did you not read the Bible?
Jesus often addressed the hypocrisy of those who meticulously followed the outward practices of the Law (like handwashing) while neglecting inner righteousness and compassion.
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(Yesterday, 07:47 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You can only find these verses in the OT emphasizing the unique and exclusive nature of the God of Israel.
Jesus in the NT explains and give clues that God is 3 persons
Did Jesus in the NT say the only true God is the Father? The answer is, again, yes. Jesus said it with no ambiguity.
Did Jesus reject the accusation of the Pharisees who accused him of claiming to be God? The answer is yes, he rebutted their accusation. We didn't finish that debate earlier today.
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(Yesterday, 07:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Did you not read the Bible?
Jesus often addressed the hypocrisy of those who meticulously followed the outward practices of the Law (like handwashing) while neglecting inner righteousness and compassion.
I agree with Jesus about the hypocrites.
But that doesn't negate the fact that Jesus said he didn't abolish the Law.
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(Yesterday, 07:54 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I agree with Jesus about the hypocrites.
But that doesn't negate the fact that Jesus said he didn't abolish the Law.
The new covenant, often associated with the NT, emphasizes faith in Jesus and his teachings as the path to salvation, rather than adherence to the Mosaic Law...
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(Yesterday, 07:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did Jesus in the NT say the only true God is the Father? The answer is, again, yes. Jesus said it with no ambiguity.
Did Jesus reject the accusation of the Pharisees who accused him of claiming to be God? The answer is yes, he rebutted their accusation. We didn't finish that debate earlier today.
You quoted John 17:3 but failed to read John 17:5
John 17:5 reads, "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence
with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."
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(Yesterday, 07:57 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The new covenant, often associated with the NT, emphasizes faith in Jesus and his teachings as the path to salvation, rather than adherence to the Mosaic Law...
Yes, Paul taught that.
I'm fine if you want to follow the teachings of Paul. God has given you the freedom to choose whatever faith you want and I will not take away that God-given freedom from you. I can't anyway.
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(Yesterday, 07:59 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You quoted John 17:3 but failed to read John 17:5
John 17:5 reads, "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."
Does that negate verse 3?
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(Yesterday, 08:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Yes, Paul taught that.
I'm fine if you want to follow the teachings of Paul. God has given you the freedom to choose whatever faith you want and I will not take away that God-given freedom from you.
faith without good works is dead! Both James and Paul agree with this
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(Yesterday, 08:01 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Does that negate verse 3?
It tells you that Jesus is not only a man...He is God who was there before the world existed
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(Yesterday, 08:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: faith without good works is dead? Both James and Paul agree with this
What about obedience to the Law? Jesus said must. James said must. But you believe it's optional. Who taught you that it's optional? Paul of Tarsus.
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(Yesterday, 08:06 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: What about obedience to the Law? Jesus said must. James said must. But you believe it's optional. Who taught you that it's optional? Paul of Tarsus.
Is it incorrect for Paul to include faith, which is a fundamental aspect of Christian beliefs?
The thief on the cross was judged by faith alone and not works
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(Yesterday, 08:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: It tells you that Jesus is not only a man...He is God who was there before the world existed
Did Jesus say the Father is the ONLY true God?
Did the Father say He alone is God and besides Him, there is no other?
But you believe there are 2 other Gods besides the Father. Man, you're making a huge mistake.
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(Yesterday, 08:08 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Is it incorrect for Paul to include faith, which is a fundamental aspect of Christian beliefs?
The thief on the cross was judged by faith alone and not works
Of course faith is first. If you don't believe in God and the hereafter, discussing salvation is moot.
Did Jesus say obedience to the Law is critical for salvation? Yes, clearly, with no ambiguity.
So, how come you believe the Law is optional? Because of Paul's teachings.
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(Yesterday, 08:11 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did Jesus say the Father is the ONLY true God?
Did the Father say He alone is God and besides Him, there is no other?
But you believe there are 2 other Gods besides the Father. Man, you're making a huge mistake.
There are numerous verses in the New Testament that support the idea of Jesus as God.
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(Yesterday, 08:08 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The thief on the cross was judged by faith alone and not works
The thief on the cross, if we want to believe that story, doesn't negate the command to be obedient to the Law.
The thief was about to die. He didn't have time to be obedient to the Law. In the Hadith, we have a similar story of a sinful man who was on his way to repentance but he died while on his way. Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم said he received salvation.
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(Yesterday, 08:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Of course faith is first. If you don't believe in God and the hereafter, discussing salvation is moot.
Did Jesus say obedience to the Law is critical for salvation? Yes, clearly, with no ambiguity.
So, how come you believe the Law is optional? Because of Paul's teachings.
Paul's teachings focus on salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice, rather than strict adherence to the Law... because we can't perfect the law completely
Both agree on the importance of love and good works
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(Yesterday, 08:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: There are numerous verses in the New Testament that support the idea of Jesus as God.
They are all ambiguous. Ambiguity means it can have more than 1 meaning. When Jesus said "I and the Father are one", it can have more than 1 meaning. That's called ambiguity.
When the Father said, "I alone am God. Beside me there is no other", that is unambiguous.
When Jesus said John 17:3, that is unambiguous.
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(Yesterday, 08:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Paul's teachings focus on salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice, rather than strict adherence to the Law... because we can't perfect the law completely
Both agree on the importance of love and good works
I am already clear about what Paul taught.
You already said obedience to the Law is optional, which is the teaching of Paul. But Jesus said obedience to the Law is critical, a must, not optional.
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(Yesterday, 08:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: They are all ambiguous. Ambiguity means it can have more than 1 meaning. When Jesus said "I and the Father are one", it can have more than 1 meaning. That's called ambiguity.
When the Father said, "I alone am God. Beside me there is no other", that is unambiguous.
When Jesus said John 17:3, that is unambiguous.
Then John 17:5 is unambiguous because He was there before the world existed
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(Yesterday, 08:23 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Then John 17:5 is unambiguous because He was there before the world existed 
So what? I am there too before the world exist.
Melchizedek, who has no beginning nor an end, is also there too before the world exist.
We all existed before the universe was created.
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(Yesterday, 08:23 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I am already clear about what Paul taught.
You already said obedience to the Law is optional, which is the teaching of Paul. But Jesus said obedience to the Law is critical, a must, not optional.
Obedience to Jesus, ergo, is not merely a matter of legalistic adherence to rules but an expression of love and faith in him. The thief on the cross is a great example
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(Yesterday, 08:25 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Obedience to Jesus, ergo, is not merely a matter of legalistic adherence to rules but an expression of love and faith in him. The thief on the cross is a great example
Ok. Obedience to Jesus is critical to salvation for his followers. That's already a given.
So, when Jesus said you must keep the Law, that means the Law is not optional.
Jesus also said that any who comes after him and makes the Law optional will be in hell. Who did that? I don't need to tell you.
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(Yesterday, 08:25 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So what? I am there too before the world exist.
Melchizedek, who has no beginning nor an end, is also there too before the world exist.
We all existed before the universe was created.
So you have another interpretation on the unambiguous verse?
John 17:3
Jesus as a man is praying to His Father in heaven...Since this is a prayer, it is only natural for Jesus to refer to God the Father as thể only true God
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(Yesterday, 08:29 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Ok. Obedience to Jesus is critical to salvation for his followers. That's already a given.
So, when Jesus said you must keep the Law, that means the Law is not optional.
Jesus also said that any who comes after him and makes the Law optional will be in hell. Who did that? I don't need to tell you.
Did the thief on the cross keep to the law? The answer is No!
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(Yesterday, 08:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: So you have another interpretation on the unambiguous verse?
John 17:3
Jesus as a man is praying to His Father in heaven...Since this is a prayer, it is only natural for Jesus to refer to God the Father as thể only true God
Is it true that the Father is the only true God?
Are you gonna redefine the word "only"?
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(Yesterday, 08:32 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Did the thief on the cross keep to the law? The answer is No!
Did the thief have time to keep the Law. The answer is no.
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(Yesterday, 08:33 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Is it true that the Father is the only true God?
Are you gonna redefine the word "only"?
Jesus praying to the only true God the Father in heaven.....nothing wrong with it! We are also praying to the Father...that does not negate the fact that Jesus is God
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(Yesterday, 08:33 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Is it true that the Father is the only true God?
Are you gonna redefine the word "only"?
Your allah is the Father?
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 08:41 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Your allah is the Father?
Allah is non existence ... Allah can never be a Father