Scripture readings for Christmas

(Yesterday, 10:13 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  There are videos where Moslems reassure dying atheists that they will enter paradise after reciting the Shahada just before their last breath. Clearly, their salvation is seen as based on faith alone rather than their deeds.

If a Muslim says the 5 daily solah are optional or discards them altogether, he is not a Muslim because he doesn't submit to the will of Allah, who made the 5 daily solah a Law.

Similarly, Jesus also said the same, that if you want salvation, you must keep the Law.

If a man has been denying faith all his life, saying the shahadah at the last minute won't help him. The Pharaoh, the one who chased after Prophet Moses pbuh across the Red Sea, who had denied faith all his life, decided to declare faith when death was imminent. Allah rejected his faith. That is in the Quran.
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Jesus said many tried to find the narrow path but failed 
If you don’t rely on Him to lead you
Many will go astray to the wrong path thinking it’s the narrow path 
They are deceiving themselves 
If your faith is not strong enough u r easily blown into the path of destruction worshipping a non existence god with laws written by man 
You can live how u like n go paradise with 72 v unbelievable!

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:17 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Jesus as a man calling the Father in heaven as the only true God....nothing wrong with the statement..now 2 verses later john17:5...the general concensus is that this verse is part of Jesus' prayer to the Father, and it expresses his desire to be restored to the divine glory he shared with God before creation

Yeah.. Christians added "divine" to make it in line with Christian theology. 

When the same glory is given to the disciples, will they add "divine" to that as well? No, they wouldn't because that is not in line with their theology.

That's dishonest.
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(Yesterday, 10:17 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Jesus as a man calling the Father in heaven as the only true God....nothing wrong with the statement.

So Jesus as a man wasn't a true God at that moment in time?
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Once on the right path n u if decided to change the direction for marriage sake or worry kena killed by abdool u r gone case !

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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In the last days many will fall from faith
Giving ears to seducing spirit
Whoever endures to the end will be saved

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:25 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If a man has been denying faith all his life, saying the shahadah at the last minute won't help him. The Pharaoh, the one who chased after Prophet Moses pbuh across the Red Sea, who had denied faith all his life, decided to declare faith when death was imminent. Allah rejected his faith. That is in the Quran.

Why are you in conflicting views with Muhammad?
Muhammad advises inspiring the dying to pronounce the Shahada, the Islamic declaration of faith, as it is believed to lead to Paradise

One specific hadith narrated by Abu Hurairah states that whoever's last words are the Shahada will enter Paradise.
So the focus is rather on faith than deeds
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If want to follow Christ u have to deny yourself pick up your cross and follow Him
If you love the world the love of the father is not in you.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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In Matthew 23, Jesus severely criticizes the teachers of the law (also referred to as scribes and Pharisees) for their hypocrisy and legalistic approach to the law. He accuses them of focusing on minor details of the law while neglecting its core principles, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. Jesus highlights their outward show of righteousness while their hearts are filled with greed, self-indulgence, and lawlessness. 

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:30 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So Jesus as a man wasn't a true God at that moment in time?

He had his roles to play and to fulfill...not that He isnt the true God ...it just happen He took on the flesh and walks the earth while the Father is spirit in heaven
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(Yesterday, 10:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Why are you in conflicting views with Muhammad?
Muhammad advises inspiring the dying to pronounce the Shahada, the Islamic declaration of faith, as it is believed to lead to Paradise

One specific hadith narrated by Abu Hurairah states that whoever's last words are the Shahada will enter Paradise.
So the focus is rather on faith than deeds

That's for Muslims.

I've given you the story of Pharaoh who declared shahadah at the last minute but rejected by God. Read Quran 10:90-92
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Without each of the seven steps, there is no salvation.
Step 1 - Saved by Grace. Definition of Grace: 1. ...
Step 2 - Saved by Faith. Definition of Faith: 1. ...
Step 3 - Saved by Confession. ...
Step 4 - Saved by Repentance. ...
Step 5 - Saved by Baptism. ...
Step 6 - Saved by the Holy Spirit.
Step 7 - Saved by Endurance.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  He had his roles to play and to fulfill...not that He isnt the true God ...it just happen He took on the flesh and walks the earth while the Father is spirit in heaven

You mean he didn't know that he was also a true God so that's why he said the Father is the only true God?

If he knows he is also a true God, that would make what he said in John 17:3 false.
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(Yesterday, 10:38 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  In Matthew 23, Jesus severely criticizes the teachers of the law (also referred to as scribes and Pharisees) for their hypocrisy and legalistic approach to the law. He accuses them of focusing on minor details of the law while neglecting its core principles, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. Jesus highlights their outward show of righteousness while their hearts are filled with greed, self-indulgence, and lawlessness. 

So don't be like them. Don't be greedy, self-indulgent, and do obey the Law.
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How do I know I'm not saved?
How Do You Know if You Aren't Saved? As a Christian, the Holy Spirit fills the heart of God's redeemed. If the Holy Spirit hasn't touched you, you will know it. Sin won't disgust you, the Bible won't invigorate you, and you'll struggle to find God's graces in the world.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:40 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That's for Muslims.

I've given you the story of Pharaoh who declared shahadah at the last minute but rejected by God. Read Quran 10:90-92

OK, Allah is unforgiving and merciless..He doesnt believe in giving a second chance..
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(Yesterday, 10:44 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So don't be like them. Don't be greedy, self-indulgent, and do obey the Law.
U only obeys man made law shariah law

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:42 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You mean he didn't know that he was also a true God so that's why he said the Father is the only true God?

If he knows he is also a true God, that would make what he said in John 17:3 false.

You are wrong...Jesus is still bounded by the limitations of man...while the Father is not... so in His prayer to His Father..there is nothing wrong to refer to His Father as the only true God..
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Jesus' statement "I desire mercy, not sacrifice" emphasizes the importance of compassion and love over strict adherence to religious rituals. This quote, originally from the prophet Hosea (Hosea 6:6), highlights that God values a heart of mercy and love more than mere outward actions like sacrifices

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:44 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK, Allah is unforgiving and merciless..He doesnt believe in giving a second chance..

I gave you the story of a sinner who died while he was on his way to repentance, and his repentance was accepted. 

When Adam realised his mistake, he repented, and his repentance was accepted and he was forgiven. According to Christians, his mistake wasn't forgiven, and all his descendants were made to bear that mistake.
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“Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.” Jesus replied: Philip, I have been with you for a long time. Don't you know who I am? If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. How can you ask me to show you the Father? Don't you believe that I am one with the Father and that the Father is one with me? What I say isn't said on my own. The Father who lives in me does these things. Have faith in me when I say that the Father is one with me and that I am one with the Father. Or else have faith in me simply because of the things I do.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭8‬-‭11‬ ‭CEV‬‬
This verses will irritate pachik he don’t like it

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:40 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That's for Muslims.

I've given you the story of Pharaoh who declared shahadah at the last minute but rejected by God. Read Quran 10:90-92

Suhayl ibn Bayda’ reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, whoever testifies there is no God but Allah, then Allah will forbid him from entering Hellfire and require him to enter Paradise.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 199

Grade: Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Albani

Can you show me Hadiths which emphasize deeds as the main component to entering Jannah
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(Yesterday, 10:49 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You are wrong...Jesus is still bounded by the limitations of man...while the Father is not... so in His prayer to His Father..there is nothing wrong to refer to His Father as the only true God..

Did Jesus know he is a true God or not when he said the Father is the only true God?
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(Yesterday, 10:54 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Suhayl ibn Bayda’ reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, whoever testifies there is no God but Allah, then Allah will forbid him from entering Hellfire and require him to enter Paradise.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 199

Grade: Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Albani

If you're sincere, then yes. But if you're on Pascal's wager for example, then no.

Wallahu 'alam.
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“Then I will ask the Father to send you the Holy Spirit who will help you and always be with you. The Spirit will show you what is true. The people of this world cannot accept the Spirit, because they don't see or know him. But you know the Spirit, who is with you and will keep on living in you. I won't leave you like orphans. I will come back to you. In a little while the people of this world won't be able to see me, but you will see me. And because I live, you will live.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭16‬-‭19‬ ‭CEV‬‬

The Moslem mistaken it’s their muh Jesus sent
It’s the Holy Spirit that is sent !
How your muh lives inside us?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 10:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I gave you the story of a sinner who died while he was on his way to repentance, and his repentance was accepted. 

When Adam realised his mistake, he repented, and his repentance was accepted and he was forgiven. According to Christians, his mistake wasn't forgiven, and all his descendants were made to bear that mistake.

OK his descendants bear the brunt of his mistake but the crux is that his repentance was accepted....so did Adam go to jannah or hell?
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(Yesterday, 10:54 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Can you show me Hadiths which emphasize deeds as the main component to entering Jannah

I'll give you from the Quran.

Indeed, those who believe and do good deeds — they are the best of beings. Their reward with their Lord will be Gardens of Eternity, under which rivers flow, to stay there for ever and ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. - 98:7
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(Yesterday, 10:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK his descendants bear the brunt of his mistake but the crux is that his repentance was accepted....so did Adam go to jannah or hell?

We believe Adam will be in Jannah.

Wallahu 'alam.
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(Yesterday, 10:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you're sincere, then yes. But if you're on Pascal's wager for example, then no.

Wallahu 'alam.

So in order to get into Jannah ...it is best to have faith + good works tiok boh
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Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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