[pinkpanther]

Isaac wasn't an Israelite.

There is no initial and later. The covenant of circumcision was made with Abraham and extended to his descendants. Period.

It didn't say later that Ishmael is excluded or anything like that.

The convenant was never extended to the descendants of Ishmael..if so Muhammad will make circumcision compulsory 

God established a covenant with Abraham, which was then reaffirmed with his son Isaac and further extended to the Israelites at Mount Sinai. This covenant included promises of land, descendants, and blessings, with the Israelites agreeing to be God's chosen people and follow His commandments.

[Lukongsimi]

No, Gentiles do not need to be circumcised. In early Christianity, a major controversy arose regarding whether Gentile converts to Christianity needed to be circumcised to be considered part of the Christian community. The Council of Jerusalem, as recorded in the Book of Acts, ultimately decided that circumcision was not a requirement for Gentile converts. Paul's teachings also emphasized that physical circumcision was not necessary for salvation and membership in the New Covenant.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, Isaac is considered one of the three main patriarchs of the Israelites, alongside his father Abraham and his son Jacob. Isaac is the son of Abraham and Sarah, and the father of Jacob and Esau

Yes..the moslems anyhow whack!

He should be ashamed after this but it seems he has no shame.

Forgive me for saying that but it has to be said.

[Ali Imran]

Where?

Matthew 19.

Jesus also said to do the instructions of the teachers of the law. That would include circumcision.

[pinkpanther]

No, Gentiles do not need to be circumcised. In early Christianity, a major controversy arose regarding whether Gentile converts to Christianity needed to be circumcised to be considered part of the Christian community. The Council of Jerusalem, as recorded in the Book of Acts, ultimately decided that circumcision was not a requirement for Gentile converts. Paul's teachings also emphasized that physical circumcision was not necessary for salvation and membership in the New Covenant.

Ya lah....he should be ashame of his ignorance 

[Ali Imran]

The convenant was never extended to the descendants of Ishmael..if so Muhammad will make circumcision compulsory 

God established a covenant with Abraham, which was then reaffirmed with his son Isaac and further extended to the Israelites at Mount Sinai. This covenant included promises of land, descendants, and blessings, with the Israelites agreeing to be God's chosen people and follow His commandments.

The verse didn't say the descendants of Ishmael. The verse says the descendants of Abraham.

[pinkpanther]

That was disputed. Why was there a dispute on this issue? Because of the words of Jesus being "sent only to the Israelites".

I suspect, the dispute was the reason why the author of Matthew invented that great commission verse, to include the gentiles.

Great imagination...a conspiracy theory from Detective Zedallah 

[Ali Imran]

Yes..the moslems anyhow whack!

He should be ashamed after this but it seems he has no shame.

Forgive me for saying that but it has to be said.

What did I anyhow whack?

You're so desperate to get one over me.

[Ali Imran]

Great imagination...a conspiracy theory from Detective Zedallah 

The dispute is not an imagination. There was a dispute.

[pinkpanther]

The verse didn't say the descendants of Ishmael. The verse says the descendants of Abraham.

Muhammad did not make circumcision compulsory..that is a straight forward answer! Are you not descendants of Ishmael ?

[Ali Imran]

Muhammad did not make circumcision compulsory..that is a straight forward answer! Are you not descendants of Ishmael ?

Please don't impose the Bible on us.

[pinkpanther]

The dispute is not an imagination. There was a dispute.

What dispute

[Lukongsimi]

Ya lah....he should be ashame of his ignorance 

He can’t bluff us lah..lol

[Ali Imran]

What dispute

Go back to my post and read.

Furthermore, some Christian scholars have opined that the great commission is a forgery, meaning Matthew invented it.

[Ali Imran]

He can’t bluff us lah..lol

Show me a single bluff I made.

Remember the Trinity verse where you said I lied. Now, you cannot say I lied about that anymore.

Now, tell me why Matthew removed the Shema? You still haven't answered that question.

[Ali Imran]

Seeing that the Christians have turned hostile, I will retire for the night.

Pretty soon, the mocking will start.

[pinkpanther]

Please don't impose the Bible on us.

OK then...don believe that Ishmael was blessed by God, he is not the father of any great nation...

God's Promise to Abraham:
In Genesis 17:18-20, God informs Abraham that He will bless Ishmael, despite the covenant being established with Isaac. 

Don believe all of these because you are told not to believe in corrupted scriptures 

What is pathetic is that the Quran has no records of all these info..not even on which son Abraham offered as a sacrifice 

Is the Quran fully detailed? hats off to it

[Lukongsimi]

Matthew 19.

Jesus also said to do the instructions of the teachers of the law. That would include circumcision.

Circumsize is Not in the commandments 



“He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭18‬-‭19‬ ‭KJV

[Lukongsimi]

Show me a single bluff I made.

Remember the Trinity verse where you said I lied. Now, you cannot say I lied about that anymore.

Now, tell me why Matthew removed the Shema? You still haven't answered that question.

I already answered u 
U lazy go n check

What is the Trinity of Islam?
Theologically, what is meant by the Trinity in the Qur'an is a belief in three Gods: God (Allah), Jesus (Isa), and Mary, as the three independent Gods,

while the Christian belief confirms that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (not Mary) are one God, not three independent gods. The only one is in "three ways of being"

[Lukongsimi]

God promised Abraham that he would have a son, and that this son, named Isaac, would be the inheritor of God's covenant and blessings. This promise was reiterated multiple times, with God emphasizing that Isaac, and not Ishmael, would be the son of the covenant.

[Lukongsimi]

OK then...don believe that Ishmael was blessed by God, he is not the father of any great nation...

God's Promise to Abraham:
In Genesis 17:18-20, God informs Abraham that He will bless Ishmael, despite the covenant being established with Isaac. 

Don believe all of these because you are told not to believe in corrupted scriptures 

What is pathetic is that the Quran has no records of all these info..not even on which son Abraham offered as a sacrifice 

Is the Quran fully detailed? hats off to it

All truths in the bible 
Their Koran copied the bible n change the saviour Jesus  to an unknown person

[pinkpanther]

All truths in the bible 
Their Koran copied the bible n change the saviour Jesus  to an unknown person

The Quran doesnt say anything lah....it is so lacking in information but they can still come and say our Bible is corruoted

[Lukongsimi]

What is the Trinity of Islam?
Theologically, what is meant by the Trinity in the Qur'an is a belief in three Gods: God (Allah), Jesus (Isa), and Mary, as the three independent Gods,

while the Christian belief confirms that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (not Mary) are one God, not three independent gods. The only one is in "three ways of being"

[Lukongsimi]

The Quran doesnt say anything lah....it is so lacking in information but they can still come and say our Bible is corruoted

They lied to trick us.

[pinkpanther]

Go back to my post and read.

Furthermore, some Christian scholars have opined that the great commission is a forgery, meaning Matthew invented it.

 your imagination is superb lah..you know nothing yet you dare to make claims ...boy am I ashame of you...

we can still consult the many Christian authors who lived in the second and third centuries to see how they cited it. Below is a list of a few quotations.

Didache (a.d. 60-150) chapter 7.1-4

“Now about baptism: this is how to baptize. Give public instruction on all these points, and then baptize in running water, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. If you do not have running water, batpize in some other. If you cannot in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, then pour water on the head three times in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Before baptism, moreover, the one who baptizes and the one being baptized must fast, and any others who can. And you must tell the one being baptized to fast for one or two days beforehand.”

First Apology by Justin Martyr (a.d. 155) chapter 61

“…Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are born again, for they then receive washing in water in the name of God the Father and Master of all, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. For Christ also said, ‘Except you are born again, you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.’…”

Against Heresies by Irenaeus (a.d. 180) book 3 chapter 17.1

“…And again, giving to the disciples the power of regeneration into God, he said to them, ‘Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.’…”

On Baptism by Tertullian (a.d. 198) chapter 13

“For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed: ‘Go,’ He saith, ‘teach the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.’ The comparison with this law of that definition, ‘Unless a man have been reborn of water and Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of the heavens,’ has tied faith to the necessity of baptism.”

[Lukongsimi]

 your imagination is superb lah..you know nothing yet you dare to make claims ...boy am I ashame of you...

we can still consult the many Christian authors who lived in the second and third centuries to see how they cited it. Below is a list of a few quotations.

Didache (a.d. 60-150) chapter 7.1-4

“Now about baptism: this is how to baptize. Give public instruction on all these points, and then baptize in running water, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. If you do not have running water, batpize in some other. If you cannot in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, then pour water on the head three times in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Before baptism, moreover, the one who baptizes and the one being baptized must fast, and any others who can. And you must tell the one being baptized to fast for one or two days beforehand.”

First Apology by Justin Martyr (a.d. 155) chapter 61

“…Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are born again, for they then receive washing in water in the name of God the Father and Master of all, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. For Christ also said, ‘Except you are born again, you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.’…”

Against Heresies by Irenaeus (a.d. 180) book 3 chapter 17.1

“…And again, giving to the disciples the power of regeneration into God, he said to them, ‘Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.’…”

On Baptism by Tertullian (a.d. 198) chapter 13

“For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed: ‘Go,’ He saith, ‘teach the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.’ The comparison with this law of that definition, ‘Unless a man have been reborn of water and Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of the heavens,’ has tied faith to the necessity of baptism.”

He cannot accept the truth lah. 

No matter how many times the proof is shown to him.
lol

[Lukongsimi]

Seeing that the Christians have turned hostile, I will retire for the night.

Pretty soon, the mocking will start.

We are answering your questions n lies u made 
Where got hostile?

[Lukongsimi]

[b]Compare below Moses Law vs.[/b]
[b]God's Ten Commandment Law[/b]

MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's Ten Commandment Law, but they are very different.

Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8. 

There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:

"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11

Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the Ten Commandments or moral law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression or sin." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or Ten Commandments and Moses law. 

To summarize the above. When God led the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage, He delivered to them in fiery majesty the Ten Commandments. This Holy law was spoken by God, written by God, recorded on tables of stone, and is of eternal duration. At the same time the ceremonial law, of temporary usage, was also delivered to the children of Israel. This law dealt with the ceremonial rites of the Jewish sanctuary service, and concerned itself with a system of religion that passed away at the cross. Large sections of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy describe in detail this temporary law. The ceremonial law can easily be identified in scripture. It talks about circumcision (a religious Jewish rite), sacrifices, offerings, purifications, holy days and other rites associated with the Hebrew sanctuary service.

[cheekopekman]

[b]Compare below Moses Law vs.[/b]
[b]God's Ten Commandment Law[/b]

MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's Ten Commandment Law, but they are very different.

Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8. 

There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:

"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11

Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the Ten Commandments or moral law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression or sin." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or Ten Commandments and Moses law. 

To summarize the above. When God led the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage, He delivered to them in fiery majesty the Ten Commandments. This Holy law was spoken by God, written by God, recorded on tables of stone, and is of eternal duration. At the same time the ceremonial law, of temporary usage, was also delivered to the children of Israel. This law dealt with the ceremonial rites of the Jewish sanctuary service, and concerned itself with a system of religion that passed away at the cross. Large sections of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy describe in detail this temporary law. The ceremonial law can easily be identified in scripture. It talks about circumcision (a religious Jewish rite), sacrifices, offerings, purifications, holy days and other rites associated with the Hebrew sanctuary service.

10 Commandments were only 10 lah!  But Moses' Law had 600 plus laws lah!

[pinkpanther]

He cannot accept the truth lah. 

No matter how many times the proof is shown to him.
lol

Yes...he reminds me of my younger self...stubborn and deluded ..