Scripture readings for Christmas

(19-07-2025, 08:09 AM)Hope Wrote:  Did you listen to that video?

So isaac or ishmael?
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(19-07-2025, 08:15 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  There are many events that teaches obedience 
Why is it important to celebrate something that did not happen? There was no sacrifice!

Footballers celebrate winning trophies because they have sacrifice everything to winning it....Abrahim has not sacrifice his son so what is there to celebrate? You just take the chance to perform massacre on innocent animals in the name of obedience!! Pitiful!

You keep saying 'celebrate' while I use 'commemorate'.

See the difference?
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(19-07-2025, 08:19 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes... Abraham offered two sons, but neither of them was harmed, so that doesn't qualify as a sacrifice...

 Jesus, on the other hand, died on the cross for all humanity....that is a true sacrifice.

God abhors human sacrifice.
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(19-07-2025, 08:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  We praise God who gives us rules, so we can show our obedience. The simplest one, don't eat pork.

Why should we follow your dietary rules ? You also don follow the dietary rules of the torah!
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(19-07-2025, 08:09 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:   Why can't I know? Why am I barred from questioning your scriptures due to its apparent incompetence?

I didn't say you cannot know.
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(19-07-2025, 08:24 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  God abhors human sacrifice.

Then why God asks Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac if he hates human sacrifice!
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(19-07-2025, 08:26 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I didn't say you cannot know.

Then why you keep parroting that it is not important to know?
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(19-07-2025, 08:25 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Why should we follow your dietary rules ? You also don follow the dietary rules of the torah!

I never said you must follow our dietary rules.

I follow Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم and he brought the Shariah. That's our guideline, the Shariah, not the Halakhah.
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https://youtu.be/Ua4GVVxho50?si=JSBGdt7LIxGhDrjf


Ishmael in the Bible and Quran
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https://youtu.be/RbNKu0yCoGY?si=AnLU71L0fyA6xz54
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(19-07-2025, 08:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Then why you keep parroting that it is not important to know?

I repeat my statement, not parroting other people's statements. You like to parrot.

If Allah didn't tell us, that means it is not important to know.
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(19-07-2025, 08:27 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Then why God asks Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac if he hates human sacrifice!

Evidently, God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice his ONLY son. 

God hates human sacrifice. It is in your Bible.
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(19-07-2025, 08:28 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I never said you must follow our dietary rules.

I follow Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم and he brought the Shariah. That's our guideline, the Shariah, not the Halakhah.

Remember that you can no longer impose the dietary laws and circumcision on us because I have debunk them....

If Ishmael was the son offered to God ..then Muhammad has not done a good job at making circumcision compulsory!!
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(19-07-2025, 08:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Remember that you can no longer impose the dietary laws and circumcision on us because I have debunk them....

If Ishmael was the son offered to God ..then Muhammad has not done a good job at making circumcision compulsory!!

Debunk? If you say so. LOL

You have discarded the Law, which Jesus told his followers that they must keep if they want to enter life (salvation).
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(19-07-2025, 08:32 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Evidently, God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice his ONLY son. 

God hates human sacrifice. It is in your Bible.

If that was not His intentions then why did He ask? Is He joking?


Because God does not accept the sacrifices of someone impure and sinful like you... Christ offered the ultimate perfect sacrifice, so we no longer need to sacrifice animals like in the past. If you place your faith in Jesus, you're also supporting the idea of compassion towards animals...no need kill millions of lambs in the name of obedience but there was no sacrifice of any sons at all
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(19-07-2025, 08:38 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Debunk? If you say so. LOL

You have discarded the Law, which Jesus told his followers that they must keep if they want to enter life (salvation).

Discard what laws? Laws for the jews or the gentiles?
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(19-07-2025, 08:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Discard what laws? Laws for the jews or the gentiles?

The Law that Jesus told his followers to keep.

If you're not a follower of Jesus, then of course, you don't need to keep that law.
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(19-07-2025, 08:44 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If that was not His intentions then why did He ask? Is He joking?

I can't believe you're asking that question. 

The simple answer is to test Prophet Abraham, pbuh. A test that he passed with flying colors.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/6D7ibPabs94?s...ekyDZgSoO4

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(19-07-2025, 08:30 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If Allah didn't tell us, that means it is not important to know.

Yes, given the limitations of the Quran, Allah also encourages you to interpret it on your own...that is some guidance from your god Laughing
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(19-07-2025, 08:44 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Because God does not accept the sacrifices of someone impure and sinful like you... Christ offered the ultimate perfect sacrifice, so we no longer need to sacrifice animals like in the past. If you place your faith in Jesus, you're also supporting the idea of compassion towards animals...no need kill millions of lambs in the name of obedience but there was no sacrifice of any sons at all

I repeat, (not parrot), God abhors human sacrifice. He commanded the Israelites NOT to do human sacrifice.
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(19-07-2025, 08:50 AM)Hope Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/6D7ibPabs94?s...ekyDZgSoO4

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Can muslimah like her make videos without wearing a hijab
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(19-07-2025, 08:50 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes, given the limitations of the Quran, Allah also encourages you to interpret it on your own...that is some guidance from your god Laughing

Moving the goalpost, again.
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(19-07-2025, 08:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I repeat, (not parrot), God abhors human sacrifice. He commanded the Israelites NOT to do human sacrifice.

Hebrews 10:5:
"Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me." 

Hebrews 10:10:
"And by that will, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 7:27:
"Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself." 

Why is it important for you to ask the reasons behind God's expectations for His Son?
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(19-07-2025, 08:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Moving the goalpost, again.

Allah did not tell you anything completely, you need to go to the previous scriptures to verify....

It is like a poor child who often needs to visit several homes to fill his stomach because of hunger!
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(19-07-2025, 08:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hebrews 10:5:
"Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me." 

Hebrews 10:10:
"And by that will, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 7:27:
"Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself." 

Why is it important for you to ask the reasons behind God's expectations for His Son?

God says He abhors human sacrifice.

Paul said God made a human sacrifice.

Go figure.
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(19-07-2025, 09:02 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Allah did not tell you anything completely, you need to go to the previous scriptures to verify....

It is like a poor child who often needs to visit several homes to fill his stomach because of hunger!

Allah gives us all the information we need to live our lives according to His will.
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(19-07-2025, 09:07 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  God says He abhors human sacrifice.

Paul said God made a human sacrifice.

Go figure.

Jesus predicted His death 3 times in Matthew and He speaks on His death several times.it has nothing to do with what Paul said..

Is it important for you to ask silly questions?
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(19-07-2025, 09:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Allah gives us all the information we need to live our lives according to His will.

Yes..you will fully understand with the prophet's interpretation... unfortunately we have none and you live your life according to how you interpret Allah's words!! Those misguided ones will become part of the 15-25% of radicals moslems
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(19-07-2025, 08:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Remember that you can no longer impose the dietary laws and circumcision on us because I have debunk them....

If Ishmael was the son offered to God ..then Muhammad has not done a good job at making circumcision compulsory!!

Ever since Ishmael was chased out of the house with Hagar, Isaac his brother became his enemy lah! Big Grin
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