[pinkpanther]

I already rested the case about this "Father" thingy. We don't call God "Father" for the reasons I've given earlier. Doing so will anthropomorphize God and to us, that is belittling God.

It does not make sense to me for you to say what God has to do or not to do..

The scriptures are clear!

[Ali Imran]

It does not make sense to me for you to say what God has to do or not to do..

The scriptures are clear!

Prophet Abraham pbuh is the standard. He doesn't call the almighty God Father.

[pinkpanther]

Fyi

Do you know that the Gospel of Mark doesn't have the resurrection narrative?

Is that important? He might not be there or he was working with a set of stories he had heard from someone else.

[pinkpanther]

Prophet Abraham pbuh is the standard. He doesn't call the almighty God Father.

The Bible portrays a deeply loving and covenantal relationship between God and Abraham, often described as a father-son dynamic....can Allah have this kind of dynamic with Abraham?

[Ali Imran]

Is that important? He might not be there or he was working with a set of stories he had heard from someone else.

It is important. His book was the first to be written. It is probable that at that time, the resurrection narrative hadn't been invented yet.

Wallahu 'alam.

[Ali Imran]

The Bible portrays a deeply loving and covenantal relationship between God and Abraham, often described as a father-son dynamic....can Allah have this kind of dynamic with Abraham?

Allah is the God Prophet Abraham worshiped.

[pinkpanther]

Allah is the God Prophet Abraham worshiped.

Yes...but Allah will never communicate with Abraham directly so this is a contradiction..just like Muhammad, Allah's message must be conveyed through Jibril..

Remember it is not befitting of Allah to communicate directly with his creation

Allah communicates with humanity through a chain of messengers, starting with Himself, then to angels, then to prophets (messengers), and finally to the people.

[pinkpanther]

It is important. His book was the first to be written. It is probable that at that time, the resurrection narrative hadn't been invented yet.

Wallahu 'alam.

It contains parts of the resurrection and it is good enough...it is still way better than the Quran when it comes to details..

[Ali Imran]

Yes...but Allah will never communicate with Abraham directly so this is a contradiction..just like Muhammad, Allah's message must be conveyed through Jibril..

Remember it is not befitting of Allah to communicate directly with his creation

Allah communicates with humanity through a chain of messengers, starting with Himself, then to angels, then to prophets (messengers), and finally to the people.

Why do you speak with no knowledge?

Isn't it better if you ask instead of pretending that you know?

[Ali Imran]

It contains parts of the resurrection and it is good enough...it is still way better than the Quran when it comes to details..

Why did Luke exclude the atonement narrative? Because he doesn't believe in the atonement narrative.

So, we can see that the authors of the Gospels write with their own theological understanding.

The Quran, we believe, is directly from God. We don't doubt anything and everything in the Quran. It is a book that leaves no room for doubts.

[pinkpanther]

Why did Luke exclude the atonement narrative? Because he doesn't believe in the atonement narrative.

So, we can see that the authors of the Gospels write with their own theological understanding.

The Quran, we believe, is directly from God. We don't doubt anything and everything in the Quran. It is a book that leaves no room for doubts.

Luke emphasizes on others like forgiveness  repentance and etc ..he has his own style...if he writes about atonement, you complain he copied...no wrote, you complain he exclude...hello..what you want?

The Quran, we believe, is directly from God. We don't doubt anything and everything in the Quran. It is a book that leaves no room for doubts.

I cannot believe what I read! You don even know who replaced Jesus on the cross? Why is he willing to sacrifice himself? Readers want to understand the nature of Allah yet it shows that whoever wrote that verse is attributing injustice to Allah...

[pinkpanther]

Why do you speak with no knowledge?

Isn't it better if you ask instead of pretending that you know?

When you can't rebuke...you start to insult..

[Ali Imran]

When you can't rebuke...you start to insult..

There is no insult.

Why don't you be honest with yourself first? I'm sure you know that you are speaking without knowledge.

[Ali Imran]

I cannot believe what I read! You don even know who replaced Jesus on the cross? 

Just like the previous case, I will now repeat the same question.

Why is it important for me to know who was crucified?

[pinkpanther]

There is no insult.

Why don't you be honest with yourself first? I'm sure you know that you are speaking without knowledge.

You said Abraham is the standard and I tell you why it is not..because Allah spoke to Abraham on several occasions, often through divine commands and tests. ...this is a contradiction from His chain of commands. He utilised Jibril to pass down his commands to Muhammad....why didnt He communicate directly with Muhammad like the way He does with Abraham?

[Ali Imran]

You said Abraham is the standard and I tell you why it is not..because Allah spoke to Abraham on several occasions, often through divine commands and tests. ...this is a contradiction from His chain of commands. He utilised Jibril to pass down his commands to Muhammad....why didnt He communicate directly with Muhammad like the way He does with Abraham?

Allah spoke directly to Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم too.

Don't pretend you know when you know next to nothing about Islam. How many times has that been demonstrated here, where your lack of knowledge is shown?

[pinkpanther]

Just like the previous case, I will now repeat the same question.

Why is it important for me to know who was crucified?

Why? Because an innocent life was at stake...you advocate for the innocent Palestinians who died but could care less about the one replacing Jesus...that is double standard!

[pinkpanther]

Allah spoke directly to Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم too.

Don't pretend you know when you know next to nothing about Islam. How many times has that been demonstrated here, where your lack of knowledge is shown?

Scholars agree that the night journey is a dream...but you don believe in dreams ...it might be the devil!

It directly contradicts the belief that God's will and nature are absolute and not subject to change based on human desires or conditions...Allah submits to Muhammad's prayer request on numerous occasions...is this considered as obedience or rebellion on Muhammad part?

[Ali Imran]

Scholars agree that the night journey is a dream...but you don believe in dreams ...it might be the devil!

It directly contradicts the belief that God's will and nature are absolute and not subject to change based on human desires or conditions...Allah submits to Muhammad's prayer request on numerous occasions...is this considered as obedience or rebellion on Muhammad part?

LOL

Now you're desperate. Out of 100 Muslim scholars, which one says the night journey is a dream?

And no, I'm not talking about just the night journey. There were many other instances where Allah communicated with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم directly, all recorded in the Hadith known as Hadith Qudsi.

Please don't try to act smart. You have next to zero knowledge about the Abrahamic faith, not just about Islam.

[pinkpanther]

Allah spoke directly to Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم too.

Don't pretend you know when you know next to nothing about Islam. How many times has that been demonstrated here, where your lack of knowledge is shown?

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Allah (God): The ultimate source of divine revelation and guidance. 

Angels: Allah chooses angels, like Gabriel (Jibril), to carry His messages. 

Prophets (Messengers): These are chosen individuals from among humanity who receive divine revelation and are tasked with conveying it to their people. Examples include Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad. 

People: The recipients of the divine message, who are expected to understand, believe, and follow the teachings conveyed by the prophets. 

Can Allah break His own chain of command?

[pinkpanther]

LOL

Now you're desperate. Out of 100 Muslim scholars, which one says the night journey is a dream?

And no, I'm not talking about just the night journey. There were many other instances where Allah communicated with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم directly, all recorded in the Hadith known as Hadith Qudsi.

Please don't try to act smart. You have next to zero knowledge about the Abrahamic faith, not just about Islam.

 Hadith!! Hadiths are corrupted...so you cannot show me that Allah communicates with Muhammad from the Quran?

God communicates with his prophets from the torah and the bible ..but the Quran shows no signs

[pinkpanther]

LOL

Now you're desperate. Out of 100 Muslim scholars, which one says the night journey is a dream?

And no, I'm not talking about just the night journey. There were many other instances where Allah communicated with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم directly, all recorded in the Hadith known as Hadith Qudsi.

Please don't try to act smart. You have next to zero knowledge about the Abrahamic faith, not just about Islam.

Some scholars and Islamic thinkers who have discussed or supported the interpretation of Isra and Miraj as a spiritual or dream experience include:

Imam Al-Ghazali – In some of his writings, Al-Ghazali emphasizes the importance of spiritual experiences and mystical visions, and he has discussed the possibility of visions or dreams as a means of divine communication.

Ibn Arabi – The renowned Sufi mystic emphasized the spiritual and allegorical aspects of prophetic experiences, including visions and dreams, which can sometimes be mistaken for physical events.

Contemporary scholars and Sufis – Some modern scholars and Sufi thinkers interpret Isra and Miraj as a spiritual journey experienced in the mind or soul, rather than a physical event, citing the nature of mystical experiences.

[pinkpanther]

LOL

Now you're desperate. Out of 100 Muslim scholars, which one says the night journey is a dream?

And no, I'm not talking about just the night journey. There were many other instances where Allah communicated with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم directly, all recorded in the Hadith known as Hadith Qudsi.

Please don't try to act smart. You have next to zero knowledge about the Abrahamic faith, not just about Islam.

Verse 22:47:
This verse states, "And they ask you to hasten on the punishment, and Allah will by no means fail in His promise. And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you count," according to Islamic scripture.

So Allah stopped the time for Muhammad in heaven?

[Hope]

Learning bible .👌

Can someone explain these verses.If

Jesus is God, Lord, King of Kings, Alpha

and Omega, Son of God, God in flesh ,did

miracles on his own ,why should he say

like this?

John 11:40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”

John 11:41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.

John 11:42 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”

[pinkpanther]

Learning bible .👌

Can someone explain these verses.If

Jesus is God, Lord, King of Kings, Alpha

and Omega, Son of God, God in flesh ,did

miracles on his own ,why should he say

like this?

John 11:40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”

John 11:41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.

John 11:42 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”

Jesus prayed openly to the public so that they believe that He was sent by His Father because majority of them have never heard of Him...

[Ali Imran]

 Hadith!! Hadiths are corrupted...so you cannot show me that Allah communicates with Muhammad from the Quran?

God communicates with his prophets from the torah and the bible ..but the Quran shows no signs

We believe Allah communicated directly with the Prophet, صلي الله عليه وسلم.

[Ali Imran]

Some scholars and Islamic thinkers who have discussed or supported the interpretation of Isra and Miraj as a spiritual or dream experience include:

Imam Al-Ghazali – In some of his writings, Al-Ghazali emphasizes the importance of spiritual experiences and mystical visions, and he has discussed the possibility of visions or dreams as a means of divine communication.

Ibn Arabi – The renowned Sufi mystic emphasized the spiritual and allegorical aspects of prophetic experiences, including visions and dreams, which can sometimes be mistaken for physical events.

Contemporary scholars and Sufis – Some modern scholars and Sufi thinkers interpret Isra and Miraj as a spiritual journey experienced in the mind or soul, rather than a physical event, citing the nature of mystical experiences.

So you cannot find a single Muslim scholars who say the night journey was a dream.

[Ali Imran]

Verse 22:47:
This verse states, "And they ask you to hasten on the punishment, and Allah will by no means fail in His promise. And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you count," according to Islamic scripture.

So Allah stopped the time for Muhammad in heaven?

No. You misunderstood.

[pinkpanther]

We believe Allah communicated directly with the Prophet, صلي الله عليه وسلم.

Could you please provide a verse from the Quran indicating that Allah communicates directly with Muhammad?

[pinkpanther]

So you cannot find a single Muslim scholars who say the night journey was a dream.

Yes. .Ibn Kathir