Scripture readings for Christmas

(23-07-2025, 10:39 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Maybe you are the worst of all beings. Just look at your behaviour here.

You finally reveal your true colors  Laughing

All I did was read the Quran and ask questions about your faith... you are unable to handle my questions. I didn’t even use any dirty tactics like calling you the worst of beings, liar ...and you can already see yourself manifesting Laughing
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(23-07-2025, 10:39 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Maybe you are the worst of all beings. Just look at your behaviour here.

You suggest that the Father will save Jesus and prevent His death, but we have told you that Jesus was aware of His destiny and was willing to die to save humanity.

 Now, compare this to Allah replacing an innocent man with Jesus, causing his death, and then ending Jesus's life before His ascension. Is Allah more merciful than our Father?
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(23-07-2025, 09:54 PM)Hope Wrote:  Interesting 😳👀


Luke 2:21
21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.

22 When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord

23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”[a]),


24 and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”[a]

25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him.

Concept of Holy sprit 


As per above verse, Holy sprit has been there even before the birth of Jesus.

Why should the father send the holy sprit in Jesus name again ( John 14:26)
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(23-07-2025, 10:14 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  What is interesting is when Allah calls us the worst of all beings.. Big Grin 

He hates us!

No one hate you . Do you understand these verses?

It also says you are best of all being 


It was not until this clear proof came to the People of the Book that they became divided ˹about his prophethood˺—

even though they were only commanded to worship Allah ˹alone˺ with sincere devotion to Him in all uprightness, establish prayer, and pay alms-tax. That is the upright Way.

Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings.

Indeed, those who believe and do good—they are the best of ˹all˺ beings.”

Quran 98:4-7
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(24-07-2025, 06:52 AM)Hope Wrote:  Concept of Holy sprit 


As per above verse, Holy sprit has been there even before the birth of Jesus.

Why should the father send the holy sprit in Jesus name again ( John 14:26)

Jesus' death and resurrection opened the way for a new covenant, where the Holy Spirit would be poured out on all believers, not just a select few.
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(24-07-2025, 07:04 AM)Hope Wrote:  No one hate you . Do you understand these verses?

It also says you are best of all being 


It was not until this clear proof came to the People of the Book that they became divided ˹about his prophethood˺—

even though they were only commanded to worship Allah ˹alone˺ with sincere devotion to Him in all uprightness, establish prayer, and pay alms-tax. That is the upright Way.

Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings.

Indeed, those who believe and do good—they are the best of ˹all˺ beings.”

Quran 98:4-7

Why does Allah need to compare us to the worst or best beings? You are a responsible person always giving us proper quotations... Big Grin unlike your buddy Big Grin
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(24-07-2025, 07:35 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Jesus' death and resurrection opened the way for a new covenant, where the Holy Spirit would be poured out on all believers, not just a select few.

Holy sprit already with you?

Would holy sprit pour into believers who involve in killing, scamming, Prostitution, misguiding?
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(23-07-2025, 11:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You suggest that the Father will save Jesus and prevent His death, but we have told you that Jesus was aware of His destiny and was willing to die to save humanity.

 Now, compare this to Allah replacing an innocent man with Jesus, causing his death, and then ending Jesus's life before His ascension. Is Allah more merciful than our Father?

That is going against what is in the Gospels, where Jesus pleaded with God to save him.

And again, I will remind you that you are pretending to know the Quran better than our scholars.
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(24-07-2025, 07:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Why does Allah need to compare us to the worst or best beings? You are a responsible person always giving us proper quotations... Big Grin unlike your buddy Big Grin

God created everything in pair.

Good one will enter heaven.
Bad one will enter hell.


“He is the One˺ Who created death and life in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving.”Quran 6:72
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(23-07-2025, 11:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You finally reveal your true colors  Laughing

All I did was read the Quran and ask questions about your faith... you are unable to handle my questions. I didn’t even use any dirty tactics like calling you the worst of beings, liar ...and you can already see yourself manifesting Laughing

No, you did not ask questions about the Quran. You're pretending to know what is in the Quran.

And you mock Allah سبحان الله تعالى, the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم, and our faith all the time.

A disbeliever after knowing the truth, in the sight of God, is the worst of beings. Wallahu 'alam.
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(23-07-2025, 11:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  What honor? Just give a wrong reference and you demand an apology....this is how low you would scoop to just to get one over me... Laughing

Then you must also apologise because you made plenty of mistakes in interpreting the Biblical verses...
Pls apologise if you have some honor Big Grin

Show me 1 mistake I've made. Just one will do.

You made a simple mistake, and when I corrected it, LKSM called me a liar. So your simple mistake resulted in LKSM accusing me of lying. So if you're honorable, you should correct LKSM and admit your mistake. I don't care about your apology.
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(24-07-2025, 08:10 AM)Hope Wrote:  Holy sprit already with you?

Would holy sprit pour into believers who involve in killing, scamming, Prostitution, misguiding?

The Holy Spirit's role is to guide you and He will remain with you forever...but if you choose to sins,then you create a distance from Him
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(24-07-2025, 08:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Holy Spirit's role is to guide you and He will remain with you forever...but if you choose to sins,then you create a distance from Him

If that is true, all Christians will have the same theology. But as we know it, thousands of denominations with differing theology.
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(24-07-2025, 08:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Holy Spirit's role is to guide you and He will remain with you forever...but if you choose to sins,then you create a distance from Him

If that is true, there would be only 1 Bible with no mistakes. But as we know it, the Bible has plenty of mistakes and differs from one to another.
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(24-07-2025, 08:19 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Show me 1 mistake I've made. Just one will do.

You made a simple mistake, and when I corrected it, LKSM called me a liar. So your simple mistake resulted in LKSM accusing me of lying. So if you're honorable, you should correct LKSM and admit your mistake. I don't care about your apology.

Misinterpreting Biblical verses is one of the biggest mistakes. If your errors are unintentional, we might overlook them, but deliberately selecting an ambiguous verse and ignoring the entire context is disrespectful to those who have studied the Bible diligently. Even SimTan agrees that your interpretations are flawed on many levels.

His parting shot 

"Before signing off, I'd like to say that I've judged an awful lot of your viewpoints to be wrong "
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(24-07-2025, 08:25 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If that is true, all Christians will have the same theology. But as we know it, thousands of denominations with differing theology.

Then show me that what I said is wrong...this is your chance to get one over me...what are you waiting for Big Grin
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(24-07-2025, 08:30 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Misinterpreting Biblical verses is one of the biggest mistakes. If your errors are unintentional, we might overlook them, but deliberately selecting an ambiguous verse and ignoring the entire context is disrespectful to those who have studied the Bible diligently. Even SimTan agrees that your interpretations are flawed on many levels.

His parting shot 

"Before signing off, I'd like to say that I've judged an awful lot of your viewpoints to be wrong "

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. - John 17:3

How is that ambiguous?
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(24-07-2025, 08:32 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Then show me that what I said is wrong...this is your chance to get one over me...what are you waiting for Big Grin

When you agree with LKSM that Isaac was a child of Jacob, ie an Israelite, that is wrong.
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(24-07-2025, 08:32 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Then show me that what I said is wrong...this is your chance to get one over me...what are you waiting for Big Grin

When you said a verse in the NT was Paul's words when in fact Paul was quoting the OT, that is wrong.
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(24-07-2025, 08:36 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. - John 17:3

How is that ambiguous?

Hello, did you read the whole context, did you not read 17:5? 

There are plenty of verses that you misinterpreted in the past but somehow you chose to stick only with John 17:3...
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(24-07-2025, 09:49 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hello, did you read the whole context, did you not read 17:5? 

There are plenty of verses that you misinterpreted in the past but somehow you chose to stick only with John 17:3...

How does verse 5 negate verse 3?
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(24-07-2025, 08:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  When you agree with LKSM that Isaac was a child of Jacob, ie an Israelite, that is wrong.

I never agree that Isaac was a child of Jacob....I said technically he is the an Israelite because he is the patriarch of Israelites
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(24-07-2025, 09:53 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I never agree that Isaac was a child of Jacob....I said technically he is the an Israelite because he is the patriarch of Israelites

Is he an Israelite or a patriarch of Israelites? 

You cannot say both.
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(24-07-2025, 09:50 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  How does verse 5 negate verse 3?

Simple...How can a man claim to be with God even before the world existed

In the New Testament, many verses from the Father affirm that His Son shares the same dominion...but somehow you can only take John 17:3 to disprove everything! Are you a scholar? So you are smarter than the church fathers and the scholars...OK noted!
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(24-07-2025, 09:55 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Is he an Israelite or a patriarch of Israelites? 

You cannot say both.

That is why I said " technically"
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(24-07-2025, 10:02 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Simple...How can a man claim to be with God even before the world existed

In the New Testament, many verses from the Father affirm that His Son shares the same dominion...but somehow you can only take John 17:3 to disprove everything! Are you a scholar? So you are smarter than the church father and the scholars...OK noted!

So Jesus wasn't telling the truth when he said the Father is the ONLY true God because, according to you, he is also a true God?
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(24-07-2025, 10:03 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  That is why I said " technically"

So you're saying technically Isaac is a son of Jacob?
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(24-07-2025, 10:03 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So Jesus wasn't telling the truth when he said the Father is the ONLY true God because, according to you, he is also a true God?

You have to look at the situation...He is praying, He is a man with limitations, He is obedient...what is wrong to address the Father as the only true God..
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(24-07-2025, 10:04 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So you're saying technically Isaac is a son of Jacob?

Technically he is the grandfather of israelites!
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(24-07-2025, 10:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You have to look at the situation...He is praying, He is a man with limitations, He is obedient...what is wrong to address the Father as the only true God..

Did Jesus the man know that he is also a true God according to your faith?
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