[Ali Imran]

He thinks isacc was a gentile lol

No, I didn't say that.

I'm only correcting your error in saying Isaac was an Israelite.

[pinkpanther]

Why does it say "disposal" when it was actually a burial?

Hello...the article said that Muhammad spent the whole night slaughtering and you have no objection?
You can only find the word "disposal" problematic?

[Ali Imran]

Hello...the article said that Muhammad spent the whole night slaughtering and you have no objection?
You can only find the word "disposal" problematic?

It was a death sentence, given by a court of law.

I have no objection to the death sentence. Many countries, even today, have the same law, death for treason.

But yes, I take issue with the word "disposal" when it was actually a burial. And the word "slaughter" when it was actually a death sentence.

[pinkpanther]

It was a death sentence, given by a court of law.

I have no objection to the death sentence. Many countries, even today, have the same law, death for treason.

OK..you have no problem with Muhammad spending the night killing the jews even the innocents!

And you have problems with the Israelis killing innocents in Palestine!

OK noted!

[Ali Imran]

OK..you have no problem with Muhammad spending the night killing the jews even the innocents!

And you have problems with the Israelis killing innocents in Palestine!

OK noted!

They were found guilty by the law.

[Ali Imran]

Ask AI lah

Yes, Isaac is considered an Israelite. In the Hebrew Bible, Isaac is one of the patriarchs of the Israelites, the son of Abraham and Sarah. He is regarded as the second patriarch, and his descendants are traditionally considered the ancestors of the Israelites.

[Ali Imran]

I don't need to do that because common sense alone is enough to tell you that Isaac wasn't an Israelite.

But the 2 Christians here, lacking knowledge, insist that I ask AI.

So there, an AI confirms Isaac wasn't an Israelite.

[pinkpanther]

I don't need to do that because common sense alone is enough to tell you that Isaac wasn't an Israelite.

But the 2 Christians here, lacking knowledge, insist that I ask AI.

So there, an AI confirms Isaac waswhon't an Israelite.

Who says you are right about AI?

[Ali Imran]

Who says you are right about AI?

So that means we cannot trust AI all the time because it gives conflicting answers.

Let's rely on common sense. We both can agree Isaac wasn't the son of Jacob erog he doesn't belong to the group of people known as the children of Jacob (Israel).

[pinkpanther]

So that means we cannot trust AI all the time because it gives conflicting answers.

Let's rely on common sense. We both can agree Isaac wasn't the son of Jacob erog he doesn't belong to the group of people known as the children of Jacob (Israel).

God made a covenant with Abraham, promising that his descendants would be a great nation. This promise was passed down to Isaac and then to Jacob/Israel, solidifying their role in the formation of the Israelite nation. 

What is this great nation? Is Isaac a part of this great nation?

[Ali Imran]

God made a covenant with Abraham, promising that his descendants would be a great nation. This promise was passed down to Isaac and then to Jacob/Israel, solidifying their role in the formation of the Israelite nation. 

What is this great nation? Is Isaac a part of this great nation?

The Bible is in Hebrew. The people we are interested in were the people known as "bani Israel", which the English Bible translates as "Israelite".

Bani Israel means the children of Jacob/Israel.

Does the group known as "children of Israel" includes Isaac? The answer is no. Isaac is not an Israelite.

[Lukongsimi]

God made a covenant with Abraham, promising that his descendants would be a great nation. This promise was passed down to Isaac and then to Jacob/Israel, solidifying their role in the formation of the Israelite nation. 

What is this great nation? Is Isaac a part of this great nation?

Yes Isaac is considered an Israelites part of this nation although he was born a Jew

[pinkpanther]

The Bible is in Hebrew. The people we are interested in were the people known as "bani Israel", which the English Bible translates as "Israelite".

Bani Israel means the children of Jacob/Israel.

Does the group known as "children of Israel" includes Isaac? The answer is no. Isaac is not an Israelite.

God is clear, He said the descendants of Abraham would be a great nation.. Isaac and Jacob belong to this great nation ...they are part of the lineage of the Israelites

[Ali Imran]

God is clear, He said the descendants of Abraham would be a great nation.. Isaac and Jacob belong to this great nation ...they are part of the lineage of the Israelites

Ok. But that doesn't make Isaac a child of Israel.

[pinkpanther]

Ok. But that doesn't make Isaac a child of Israel.

Ok...technically he is an israelite!

[Ali Imran]

Ok...technically he is an israelite!

Technically, Isaac is the son of Israel. That's what you are saying.

Ok noted. Feel free to make your own definition.

[pinkpanther]

Technically, Isaac is the son of Israel. That's what you are saying.

Ok noted. Feel free to make your own definition.

Since you don't want to admit his physical lineage to the Israelites...then let's go to another criteria. A true Israel encompasses those who are part of God's covenant through faith, rather than just those with a physical bloodline...meaning Isaac is an israelite through faith in God!

[Ali Imran]

Since you don't want to admit his physical lineage to the Israelites...then let's go to another criteria. A true Israel encompasses those who are part of God's covenant through faith, rather than just those with a physical bloodline...meaning Isaac is an israelite through faith in God!

No, you're mistaken.

I am not denying Isaac is the patriarch of the Israelites. The children of Israel came from the line of Isaac, not Ishmael.

But no, Isaac is not an Israelite. Neither is Abraham. But they both are the patriarchs of the Israelites.

Peace and blessings be upon the great prophets mentioned.

[pinkpanther]

No, you're mistaken.

I am not denying Isaac is the patriarch of the Israelites. The children of Israel came from the line of Isaac, not Ishmael.

But no, Isaac is not an Israelite. Neither is Abraham. But they both are the patriarchs of the Israelites.

Peace and blessings be upon the great prophets mentioned.

OK..we can agree that Isaac is indeed an Israelite patriarch

[Ali Imran]

OK..we can agree that Isaac is indeed an Israelite patriarch

Yes, that is correct.

[cheekopekman]

Who says you are right about AI?

I see 2 conflicting answers in ChatGPY leh!

[cheekopekman]

No, you're mistaken.

I am not denying Isaac is the patriarch of the Israelites. The children of Israel came from the line of Isaac, not Ishmael.

But no, Isaac is not an Israelite. Neither is Abraham. But they both are the patriarchs of the Israelites.

Peace and blessings be upon the great prophets mentioned.

You're right lah, Ali!  Jacob was the 2nd son of Isaac and his name had not yet been changed to Israel lah!

[pinkpanther]

I see 2 conflicting answers in ChatGPY leh!

It is not conflicting..there is only one correct answer.
My chatgpt answer explained that it makes Blibical sense for Isaac to be an israelite

[Ali Imran]

It is not conflicting..there is only one correct answer.
My chatgpt answer explained that it makes Blibical sense for Isaac to be an israelite

If Isaac were an Israelite, all his children would be Israelites too.

[pinkpanther]

If Isaac were an Israelite, all his children would be Israelites too.

Isaac and Jacob belong to this great nation call israel and they are the forefathers of the Israelites...so technically they are israelites

[Hope]

No, you're mistaken.

I am not denying Isaac is the patriarch of the Israelites. The children of Israel came from the line of Isaac, not Ishmael.

But no, Isaac is not an Israelite. Neither is Abraham. But they both are the patriarchs of the Israelites.

Peace and blessings be upon the great prophets mentioned.

OK..we can agree that Isaac is indeed an Israelite patriarch

Yes, that is correct.

You're right lah, Ali!  Jacob was the 2nd son of Isaac and his name had not yet been changed to Israel lah!

If Isaac were an Israelite, all his children would be Israelites too.

As per Quran Bani Israel ( children of Isreal) originated from Jacob/ Yaqoob .


Israel is another name for Yaqoob.
Israel means servant of God or bounded by God’s covenant.


Israelites originated from Jacob.
However Torah was given to Moses.So Jacob or his children weren’t Jew.

[Ali Imran]

Isaac and Jacob belong to this great nation call israel and they are the forefathers of the Israelites...so technically they are israelites

So Isaac and Jacob were children of Jacob.

Awesome logic.

[pinkpanther]

So Isaac and Jacob were children of Jacob.

Awesome logic.

Who are the 3 patriarchs?

[pinkpanther]

As per Quran Bani Israel ( children of Isreal) originated from Jacob/ Yaqoob .


Israel is another name for Yaqoob.
Israel means servant of God or bounded by God’s covenant.


Israelites originated from Jacob.
However Torah was given to Moses.So Jacob wasn’t a Jew.

So Jacob is not an israelite? What is Jacob's name?

[Ali Imran]

So Jacob is not an israelite?

Was Jacob the child of Jacob?