[Hope]

As per Quran Bani Israel ( children of Isreal) originated from Jacob/ Yaqoob .


Israel is another name for Yaqoob.
Israel means servant of God or bounded by God’s covenant.


Israelites originated from Jacob.
However Torah was given to Moses.So Jacob or his children weren’t Jew.

So Jacob is not an israelite? What is Jacob's name?

Jacob is the start of Israelites. His name is Jacob / Yaqoob.

Torah was given to Moses.Between Jacob to Moses, There were so many Generations, They didn’t know Torah.During the same period Israelites have killed many prophets came to them.

[Ali Imran]

So Jacob is not an israelite? What is Jacob's name?

Jacob's name is Jacob.

He was given the name Israel later. So Jacob was Israel per se.

His descendants were known as bani Israel, meaning the children of Israel.

[pinkpanther]

Was Jacob the child of Jacob?

The Bible suggests that being "Israelite" isn't solely about ethnic descent, but also about faith and alignment with God....so technically Isaac and Jacob are israelites....you can be consider an israelite if you encompass faith, obedience, and a relationship with God

Just like islam claims that all humans are born moslem or anyone who submits to one God is moslem

[Hope]

Jacob's name is Jacob.

He was given the name Israel later.

His descendants were known as bani Israel, meaning the children of Israel.

Israel is not a name. It is title.Servent of God or bounded by God’s covenant.

Title like
Isa masih
Ummi( Muhammad)

[Hope]

The Bible suggests that being "Israelite" isn't solely about ethnic descent, but also about faith and alignment with God....so technically Isaac and Jacob are israelites....you can be consider an israelite if you encompass faith, obedience, and a relationship with God

Just like islam claims that all humans are born moslem or anyone who submits to one God is moslem

Both are Israelites. But not Jewish.

[pinkpanther]

Both are Israelites. But not Jewish.

OK ..thank you for confirming Isaac and Jacob are Israelites

[pinkpanther]

Do you claim that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants were all Jews or Christians?” Say, “Who is more knowledgeable: you or Allah?” Who does more wrong than those who hide the testimony they received from Allah? And Allah is never unaware of what you do.”Quran 2:140

Ọk .they are not jews but are israelites

[Hope]

OK ..thank you for confirming Isaac and Jacob are Israelites

Sorry My mistake.

Issac isn’t an Israelite

[Hope]

Ọk .they are not jews but are israelites

No. Israelites are originated from Jacob.

Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac are not Israelites

[Ali Imran]

The Bible suggests that being "Israelite" isn't solely about ethnic descent, but also about faith and alignment with God....so technically Isaac and Jacob are israelites....you can be consider an israelite if you encompass faith, obedience, and a relationship with God

Just like islam claims that all humans are born moslem or anyone who submits to one God is moslem

Bani means children of. You often see that in the names of your Malay friends. Bin or binte. 

Bani Israel means children of Israel. 

It's as simple as that.

[pinkpanther]

No. Israelites are originated from Jacob.

Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac are not Israelites

anyone can be an "Israelite" in the spiritual sense meaning they can become part of God's people. So do you think Isaac can be an Israelite?

[pinkpanther]

Bani means children of. You often see that in the names of your Malay friends. Bin or binte. 

Bani Israel means children of Israel. 

It's as simple as that.

So now you jump to the Quran to support your claims after you ditch the Bible?

[Hope]

This was the advice of Abraham—as well as Jacob—to his children, ˹saying˺, “Indeed, Allah has chosen for you this faith; so do not die except in ˹a state of full˺ submission.”

Or did you witness when death came to Jacob? He asked his children, “Who will you worship after my passing?” They replied, “We will ˹continue to˺ worship your God, the God of your forefathers—Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac—the One God. And to Him we ˹all˺ submit.”

That was a community that had already gone before. For them is what they earned and for you is what you have earned. And you will not be accountable for what they have done.

The Jews and Christians each say, “Follow our faith to be ˹rightly˺ guided.” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “No! We follow the faith of Abraham, the upright—who was not a polytheist.”

Say, ˹O believers,˺ “We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.”Quran 2:132-136

[Hope]

anyone can be an "Israelite" in the spiritual sense meaning they can become part of God's people. So do you think Isaac can be an Israelite?

Israelites are descendants of Jacob’s Children.

Issac was born before Jacob

[pinkpanther]

Israelites are descendants of Jacob’s Children.

Issac was born before Jacob

The Bible emphasizes that spiritual inheritance and being part of God's people are open to anyone through faith, making it possible for anyone to be considered a descendant of Jacob in a spiritual sense.

Isaac was born before Jacob and surely hệ has faith and obedience to be considered as an israelite and he is the forefather of israelites

[Hope]

Bani means children of. You often see that in the names of your Malay friends. Bin or binte. 

Bani Israel means children of Israel. 

It's as simple as that.

Yaqub ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim ibn Azar . Jacob, son of Isaac, the son of Abraham), 

[Hope]

Israelites are descendants of Jacob’s Children.

Issac was born before Jacob

Yaqub ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim ibn Azar . Jacob, son of Isaac, the son of Abraham), 

[pinkpanther]

Sorry My mistake.

Issac isn’t an Israelite

No need to say sorry ...I didnt ask for an apology 

[Hope]

The Bible emphasizes that spiritual inheritance and being part of God's people are open to anyone through faith, making it possible for anyone to be considered a descendant of Jacob in a spiritual sense.

Isaac was born before Jacob and surely hệ has faith and obedience to be considered as an israelite  and he is the forefather of israelites

Issac was connected to Jacob by blood line only.

Both Issac and Jacob are prophets.They had their own covenants.

Jacob had 12 children. Quran mentioned only his son Joseph( Yusuf) as Prophet. Quran describes him as a handsome prophet.

[Ali Imran]

So now you jump to the Quran to support your claims after you ditch the Bible?

Where did i mention the Quran?

[Ali Imran]

The Bible emphasizes that spiritual inheritance and being part of God's people are open to anyone through faith, making it possible for anyone to be considered a descendant of Jacob in a spiritual sense.

Isaac was born before Jacob and surely hệ has faith and obedience to be considered as an israelite  and he is the forefather of israelites

Were the Pharisees Israelites?

[Lukongsimi]

“ “Jesus answered: You are completely wrong! You don't know what the Scriptures teach. And you don't know anything about the power of God. When God raises people to life, they won't marry. They will be like the angels in heaven. And as for people being raised to life, God was speaking to you when he said, “I am the God worshiped by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” He isn't the God of the dead, but of the living.”
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‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭32‬ ‭CEV‬‬
Jesus is saying He is God
How come no mention worshipped by Ishmael ?

[Ali Imran]

“ “Jesus answered: You are completely wrong! You don't know what the Scriptures teach. And you don't know anything about the power of God. When God raises people to life, they won't marry. They will be like the angels in heaven. And as for people being raised to life, God was speaking to you when he said, “I am the God worshiped by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” He isn't the God of the dead, but of the living.”
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‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭32‬ ‭CEV‬‬
Jesus is saying He is God
How come no mention worshipped by Ishmael ?

Where in that verse did Jesus say he is God?

[Lukongsimi]

Again not happy that Jesus is God who raised up the dead

[Lukongsimi]

Pachik in sg sleeps late
In malang sleeps early ?

[Ali Imran]

Again not happy that Jesus is God who raised up the dead

You were quoting some verses from Matthew, and you said, "Jesus is saying He is God."

You're obviously mistaken. No where in that verse did Jesus say he is God.

[Ali Imran]

Pachik in sg sleeps late
In malang sleeps early ?

About to go to sleep actually.

[Lukongsimi]

You were quoting some verses from Matthew, and you said, "Jesus is saying He is God."

You're obviously mistaken. No where in that verse did Jesus say he is God.

Can’t read the meanings ?

[Lukongsimi]

“Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.” Jesus replied: Philip, I have been with you for a long time. Don't you know who I am? If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. How can you ask me to show you the Father? Don't you believe that I am one with the Father and that the Father is one with me?
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭8‬-‭CEV

Moslem cannot take it liao lol

[Lukongsimi]

About to go to sleep actually.

Better go lah