Scripture readings for Christmas

(27-07-2025, 08:25 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/hacbHAQ_Q7Q?s...OE4K1ZaOdD

How Muslim greets each other  Laughing

How stupid are you?

Those two are Muslims content creators .

Muslim are supposed to greet each other with the sayings of “ God’s peace be upon you”( Assalamu Allaikum) 

Since the younger one doesn’t greet the older one, she hit her to remind her.
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(27-07-2025, 07:27 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtu.be/t3Q_acbF1Bo
Omg

Bedtime story narrated by Christian YouTuber for desperate/ pathetic Christian viewers,to make money from their views.😂🤣
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(27-07-2025, 07:18 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/qz7yW3gYbPs?s...hmFWnxUvug

Why he converted

How stupid are you?

This is a Muslim you tube channel. 

Never listen before posting? 😭🥲

How desperate are you?
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(27-07-2025, 09:43 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Sarah also pass the test but the Quran doesn't talk about her..why?

What Test?

Where is the bible verse related to her test ?
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(27-07-2025, 09:32 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You are partially right!
The convenant with the Israelites remains in effect.
Those who reject Jesus are not bless

The Jews are still rejecting Jesus today and they are taking Palestine by force. Are they a great nation?
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(27-07-2025, 09:58 PM)Hope Wrote:  What Test?

Where is the bible verse related to her test ?

Hebrews 11:11
 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise.
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(27-07-2025, 09:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Isaac is considered an Israelite by faith and obedience to God. You can be considered Israelite through faith in God, even if you are not a Jew

So Isaac is a child of Jacob, according to you.

Ok noted.
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(27-07-2025, 10:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Jews are still rejecting Jesus today and they are taking Palestine by force. Are they a great nation?

We believe that all Jews who reject Jesus will not inherit eternal life, while others emphasize that God's covenant with the Jewish people remains valid, even for those who don't accept Jesus. ...
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(27-07-2025, 10:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So Isaac is a child of Jacob, according to you.

Ok noted.

Isaac by faith and obedience to God is considered an Israelite... like wise everyone can be considered an Israelite if he shares the same faith
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(27-07-2025, 10:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Isaac by faith and obedience to God is considered an Israelite... like wise everyone can be considered an Israelite if he shares the same faith

Who taught you that? Chatgpt?
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(27-07-2025, 10:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So Isaac is a child of Jacob, according to you.

Ok noted.

Like wise you are a Moslem not because of your lineage to Ishmael but through faith
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(27-07-2025, 10:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Who taught you that? Chatgpt?

It is simple logic
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(27-07-2025, 10:05 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We believe that all Jews who reject Jesus will not inherit eternal life, while others emphasize that God's covenant with the Jewish people remains valid, even for those who don't accept Jesus. ...

So the people of a great nation will go to hell. What's great about that?
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(27-07-2025, 10:14 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Like wise you are a Moslem not because of your lineage to Ishmael but through faith

Islam is a faith.

Israelite means the children of Israel. 

You can't tell the difference?
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(27-07-2025, 10:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hebrews 11:11
 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise.

Having faith and Testing/proving the faith are different.

Example,Everyone has faith in their respective religions. However most of them would fail if check their allegiance.


Abraham was tested with the fire and again the dream. Is there anything like that with Sarah?



Ishmael and Issac were born because of Abraham’s supplication.
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(27-07-2025, 10:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So the people of a great nation will go to hell. What's great about that?

God's convenant to them is clear but we do not share the same beliefs ... that's why I don give much damn to the outcome of these 2 groups...I just interpret what the scriptures say
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(27-07-2025, 10:19 PM)Hope Wrote:  Having faith and Testing/proving the faith are different.

Example,Everyone has faith in their respective religions. However most of them would fail if check their allegiance.


Abraham was tested with the fire and again the dream. Is there anything like that with Sarah?

You might want to read Hebrews 11 where the headed reads " Faith in action"

Sarah was patient and trusted in God..and she kept faith in God's promise
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(27-07-2025, 10:17 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Islam is a faith.

Israelite means the children of Israel. 

You can't tell the difference?
I am not talking about Islam
Is Moslem a faith? Is Israelite a faith?
I already said that if you cannot be the children of Israel in a physical sense...you may become one in a spiritual sense
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(27-07-2025, 10:26 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You might want to read Hebrews 11 where the headed reads " Faith in action"

Sarah was patient and trusted in God..and she kept faith in God's promise

I read from 11:1 to 12. It doesn’t mention the level of the faith of Sarah 

Abraham was cast into raging fire. It was a great test.

As per Quran, Ishmael and Issac were born to very old Abraham as a reward for his steadfastness in believing in Allah.
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(27-07-2025, 10:19 PM)Hope Wrote:  Having faith and Testing/proving the faith are different.

Example,Everyone has faith in their respective religions. However most of them would fail if check their allegiance.


Abraham was tested with the fire and again the dream. Is there anything like that with Sarah?



Ishmael and Issac were born because of Abraham’s supplication.

Faith in Action

11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 


Hebrews 11, often called the "Faith Chapter," lists numerous examples of individuals from the Old Testament [b]who demonstrated great faith
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(27-07-2025, 10:34 PM)Hope Wrote:  I read from 11:1 to 12. It doesn’t mention the level of the faith of Sarah 

Abraham was cast into raging fire. It was a great test.

As per Quran, Ishmael and Issac were born to very old Abraham as a reward for his steadfastness in believing in Allah.

We do not have Abraham being cast into raging fire...why did Allah do this?
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(27-07-2025, 10:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I am not talking about Islam
Is Moslem a faith? Is Israelite a faith?
I already said that if you cannot be the children of Israel in a physical sense...you may become one in a spiritual sense

A Muslim is one whose faith is Islam. Anybody can be a Muslim.

An Israelite has a direct lineage to Israel. I don't have a direct lineage to Israel. Neither do you, I assume.
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(27-07-2025, 10:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We do not have Abraham being cast into raging fire...why did Allah do this?

Why do you blame God for what evil men did?
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(27-07-2025, 10:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Why do you blame God for what evil men did?

No..why are you blaming them if God commands so
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(27-07-2025, 10:41 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  A Muslim is one whose faith is Islam. Anybody can be a Muslim.

An Israelite has a direct lineage to Israel. I don't have a direct lineage to Israel. Neither do you, I assume.

Who says you need to have direct lineage to Israel..you can have faith to become an Israelite
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(27-07-2025, 11:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Who says you need to have direct lineage to Israel..you can have faith to become an Israelite

The clue is in the name, bani Israel.

Can an Indian sit at the throne of David?
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(27-07-2025, 10:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We do not have Abraham being cast into raging fire...why did Allah do this?

They copied Salah lah 
Not Abraham 
They were 

The three people thrown into the fiery furnace in the Bible are Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. They were Jewish exiles in Babylon who refused to worship a golden statue erected by King Nebuchadnezzar. The king, angered by their defiance, had them thrown into a furnace, but they were miraculously protected by God and emerged unharmed. 
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(27-07-2025, 11:08 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  They copied Salah lah 
Not Abraham 
They were 

The three people thrown into the fiery furnace in the Bible are Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. They were Jewish exiles in Babylon who refused to worship a golden statue erected by King Nebuchadnezzar. The king, angered by their defiance, had them thrown into a furnace, but they were miraculously protected by God and emerged unharmed. 
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Rotfl copy wrongly
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(27-07-2025, 11:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Who says you need to have direct lineage to Israel..you can have faith to become an Israelite

Yes, Christians can be considered Israelites in a spiritual sense, as the concept of Israel extends beyond ethnic or national identity to include those who believe in Jesus Christ. While some groups, like Messianic Jews, maintain a connection to both Jewish ethnicity and Christian faith, many Christians, including those of Gentile (non-Jewish) background, are seen as part of a "spiritual Israel" or "new Israel". This understanding often arises from interpretations of biblical passages that emphasize faith and spiritual lineage over physical descent as the defining characteristic of being an Israelite

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(27-07-2025, 10:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We do not have Abraham being cast into raging fire...why did Allah do this?


And indeed, We had granted Abraham sound judgment early on, for We knew him well ˹to be worthy of it˺.

˹Remember˺ when he questioned his father and his people, “What are these statues to which you are so devoted?”

They replied, “We found our forefathers worshipping them.”

He responded, “Indeed, you and your forefathers have been clearly astray.”

They asked, “Have you come to us with the truth, or is this a joke?”

He replied, “In fact, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who created them ˹both˺. And to that I bear witness.”

Then he said to himself,˺ “By Allah! I will surely plot against your idols after you have turned your backs and gone away.”

So he smashed them into pieces, except the biggest of them, so they might turn to it ˹for answers˺.

They protested, “Who dared do this to our gods? It must be an evildoer!”

Some said, “We heard a young man, called Abraham, speaking ˹ill˺ of them.”

They demanded, “Bring him before the eyes of the people, so that they may witness ˹his trial˺.”

They asked, “Was it you who did this to our gods, O  Abraham?”

He replied ˹sarcastically˺, “No, this one—the biggest of them—did it! So ask them, if they can talk!”

So they came back to their senses, saying ˹to one another˺, “You yourselves are truly the wrongdoers!”

Then they ˹quickly˺ regressed to their ˹original˺ mind-set, ˹arguing,˺ “You already know that those ˹idols˺ cannot talk.”

He rebuked ˹them˺, “Do you then worship—instead of Allah—what can neither benefit nor harm you in any way?

Shame on you and whatever you worship instead of Allah! Do you not have any sense?”

They concluded, “Burn him up to avenge your gods, if you must act.”

We ordered, “O fire! Be cool and safe for Abraham!”

They had sought to harm him, but We made them the worst losers. 

Then We delivered him, along with Lot, to the land We had showered with blessings for all people.” Quran 21:51-71
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