[Ali Imran]

The Islamic God can never have a relationship with his creations.

Why not?

[pinkpanther]

That doesn't fit the rest of the story.

He said, clearly, that his purpose is to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

He pleaded with God to save him from being killed.

His main focus was on bani Israel but don forget the great commission 

Yes, he pleaded with his father to save him because he is also a human who is afraid of death...

John 10:17-18 states, "For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father."

[Lukongsimi]

"I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"

Every moslem bear witness that there is only Allah but never a testimony about Him

You bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah but you have never seen him before

Do you moslems know the definition of the word "witness"

In Christian theology, Jesus is often referred to as the "faithful witness" or the "true witness." This title highlights his role as the ultimate source of truth about God and his divine plan for humanity. He embodies and reveals God's character and will, both in his words and his actions, culminating in his sacrifice on the cross. Christians are called to be witnesses to Jesus, sharing his message and demonstrating his love through their lives. 

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Jesus as the Faithful Witness:
  The Bible, particularly the Book of Revelation, refers to Jesus as the "faithful witness". This emphasizes that his testimony is reliable and trustworthy. He is the ultimate source of truth, and his words and actions are consistent with God's nature and plan. 
  
  
• Revealing God's Truth:
  Jesus came to reveal God's truth to the world. He demonstrated God's love, mercy, and justice through his teachings, miracles, and ultimately, his death and resurrection. 
  

[pinkpanther]

Why not?

Because He can never be a Father in any sense...It is always a Master slave kind of relationship...

[pinkpanther]

In Christian theology, Jesus is often referred to as the "faithful witness" or the "true witness." This title highlights his role as the ultimate source of truth about God and his divine plan for humanity. He embodies and reveals God's character and will, both in his words and his actions, culminating in his sacrifice on the cross. Christians are called to be witnesses to Jesus, sharing his message and demonstrating his love through their lives. 

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Jesus as the Faithful Witness:
  The Bible, particularly the Book of Revelation, refers to Jesus as the "faithful witness". This emphasizes that his testimony is reliable and trustworthy. He is the ultimate source of truth, and his words and actions are consistent with God's nature and plan. 
  
  
• Revealing God's Truth:
  Jesus came to reveal God's truth to the world. He demonstrated God's love, mercy, and justice through his teachings, miracles, and ultimately, his death and resurrection. 
  

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[Lukongsimi]

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“But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬ ‭NKJV

[pinkpanther]

“But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬ ‭NKJV

The key word is the end of the earth....not only to the children of Israel

[Lukongsimi]

The key word is the end of the earth....not only to the children of Israel

Correct 👍

[Ali Imran]

Because He can never be a Father in any sense...It is always a Master slave kind of relationship...

That's a relationship.

So why did you say "can never have a relationship"?

[Ali Imran]

Yes, he pleaded with his father to save him because he is also a human who is afraid of death...

Do you believe he is also God? So why would God be afraid of death?

[Lukongsimi]

Daily bread 

12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” (‭‭‭John‬ ‭8‬‬:‭12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬)

[Ali Imran]

Daily bread 

12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” (‭‭‭John‬ ‭8‬‬:‭12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬)

But you don't follow him. You don't obey his commandments and you ignore his warnings.

[Lukongsimi]

“For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬ ‭NKJV

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The old n new version also same no alteration

[Lukongsimi]

While Jesus, being both fully God and fully man, was not afraid of death in the sense of fearing annihilation, he did experience human fear and anguish concerning the suffering and separation from God that his impending death entailed. 

Elaboration: 

• [size=11]Human Nature and Suffering:
  [size=11]As both fully God and fully human, Jesus experienced the full range of human emotions, including fear and anguish. He knew the physical torture and humiliation he would endure during the crucifixion. 
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• [size=11]Separation from God:
  [size=11]Beyond the physical pain, Jesus also anticipated the spiritual torment of bearing the sins of humanity and experiencing a temporary separation from God the Father. This separation, caused by the weight of sin being placed upon him, was a source of profound distress. 
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• [size=11]Submission to God's Will:
  [size=11]Jesus's agony in the Garden of Gethsemane reflects his struggle to reconcile his human desire to avoid suffering with his divine obedience to the Father's will. He ultimately submitted to the plan of salvation, demonstrating the ultimate act of love and sacrifice. 
  
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[pinkpanther]

Do you believe he is also God? So why would God be afraid of death?

He also run away when the people stone him...He is also a human who will need to go through pain and joy...He even weeps...so is it wrong to be afraid since He has never experience death before?

[Ali Imran]

He also run away when the people stone him...He is also a human who will need to go through pain and joy...He even weeps...so is it wrong to be afraid since He has never experience death before?

But you believe he is also God, right? So you believe God is afraid.

[pinkpanther]

That's a relationship.

So why did you say "can never have a relationship"?

I know you long for a Master and slave dynamic...it is similar to Satan's perceived desire to dominate and control.

[pinkpanther]

But you believe he is also God, right? So you believe God is afraid.

God will never be afraid of death! Jesus who is also fully human is afraid of death..

[Ali Imran]

God will never be afraid of death! Jesus who is also fully human is afraid of death..

When he is human, you believe he is also God. Unless you're saying the human side doesn't know his God side, like a person with split personality, like Jekyll and Hyde.

So tell me. Does his human side knows he is also God?

[Ali Imran]

I know you long for a Master and slave dynamic...it is similar to Satan's perceived desire to dominate and control.

But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. - Romans 6.

[pinkpanther]

But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. - Romans 6.

Yes ..if ever you are set free from sins, you will become a slave of God... unfortunately no humans are free free from sins so how can you be a slave of God?

[Ali Imran]

Yes ..if ever you are set free from sins, you will become a slave of God... unfortunately no humans are free free from sins so how can you be a slave of God?

So now you want to move the goalpost and say we cannot be slaves of God because we are sinners?

[pinkpanther]

When he is human, you believe he is also God. Unless you're saying the human side doesn't know his God side, like a person with split personality, like Jekyll and Hyde.

So tell me. Does his human side knows he is also God?

He is fully man fully God...when He needs to eat and sleep, that is his human side telling him what to do... the same as experiencing death..his human side takes control....

[pinkpanther]

So now you want to move the goalpost and say we cannot be slaves of God because we are sinners?

It is literally what the verse says...

[Ali Imran]

It is literally what the verse says...

Ok. Once you accept Jesus as your saviour, all your sins are gone and you will become a slave of God.

Earlier, you criticized me for wanting to be a slave of God.

[Ali Imran]

He is fully man fully God...when He needs to eat and sleep, that is his human side telling him what to do... the same as experiencing death..his human side takes control....

So his God side will desert him when he was experiencing death?

What about the time they wanted to stone him and he was afraid, according to you? Did his God side desert him as well?

[pinkpanther]

So his God side will desert him when he was experiencing death?

What about the time they wanted to stone him and he was afraid, according to you? Did his God side desert him as well?

He was experiencing life as a human...he doesn't need to be on God's mode all the time..

His divinity can be seen in His resurrection, His miracles like healing the sicks and casting out demon

[Ali Imran]

He was experiencing life as a human...he doesn't need to be on God's mode all the time..

His divinity can be seen in His resurrection, His miracles like healing the sicks and casting out demon

So Jesus had modes, like Jeckyll and Hyde.

So when they wanted to stone him and he was afraid, he was in human mode but not in God mode.

It's only going to get worse for you as we continue.

[pinkpanther]

Ok. Once you accept Jesus as your saviour, all your sins are gone and you will become a slave of God.

Earlier, you criticized me for wanting to be a slave of God.

Sins are forgiven but sins cannot be wipe off
Even if it is completely gone, you are never free from committing sins ...so you will never become a slave of God  unless you are Jesus..

You are a slave of Allah not because you are sinless

[Ali Imran]

Sins are forgiven but sins cannot be wipe off
Even if it is completely gone, you are never free from committing sins ...so you will never become a slave of God  unless you are Jesus..

You are a slave of Allah not because you are sinless

So it's honorable to be a slave of God, right?