[Ali Imran]

Ok..what is your question again?

What constitutes a great nation in the sight of God?

[pinkpanther]

Baal was a warrior same as muh?

Baal is a demon..they worship the devil..Baal is never a warrior

[Lukongsimi]

Baal is a demon..they worship the devil..Baal is never a warrior

Fertility diety see how the moslems populates ?

[pinkpanther]

What constitutes a great nation in the sight of God?

It is one that recognizes Him as the ultimate source of its greatness and lives in accordance with His will.

[Ali Imran]

It is one that recognizes Him as the ultimate source of its greatness and lives in accordance with His will.

In short, a great nation is one where the people of that nation worship none but Him alone and obey His will.

That means, when God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob says the nation of Ishmael will be great, it means the people of that nation worship Him alone and obey His will.

So you're wrong to say Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Peace and blessings be upon the great prophets mentioned.

[Lukongsimi]

Baal is the name given to the ancient Canaanite-Phoenician deity that was previously called Hadad, who was the god of fertility (childbirth) as well as rain and storms. However, the word ''baal'' means LORD, and was also applied to several other deities as well as human 

No wonder Jesus said many will call Lord Lord but he never knew them
Different Lord lah
That pachik use it to attack Christians !

[pinkpanther]

Baal is the name given to the ancient Canaanite-Phoenician deity that was previously called Hadad, who was the god of fertility (childbirth) as well as rain and storms. However, the word ''baal'' means lord, and was also applied to several other deities as well as human 

No wonder Jesus said many will call Lord Lord but he never knew them
Different Lord lah

In Judeo-Christian tradition, Baal, originally a Canaanite deity, is often interpreted as a devil or demon, particularly in popular culture. This association is strengthened by his connection to Beelzebub, also known as the Lord of the Flies, who is linked to Lucifer, or the Devil. 

[pinkpanther]

In short, a great nation is one where the people of that nation worship none but Him alone and obey His will.

That means, when God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob says the nation of Ishmael will be great, it means the people of that nation worship Him alone and obey His will.

So you're wrong to say Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Peace and blessings be upon the great prophets mentioned.

Firstly , did Ishmael worship and pray to Yahweh, the God of Isaac and the Israelites ?

Yes..God blessed Ishmael and made him the father of a great nation but Jewish tradition and later Jewish texts suggest Ishmael's worship practices differed from those of Abraham and his descendants through Isaac....so they are off course, that is why the Quran differs so much from previous scriptures

[Lukongsimi]

In Judeo-Christian tradition, Baal, originally a Canaanite deity, is often interpreted as a devil or demon, particularly in popular culture. This association is strengthened by his connection to Beelzebub, also known as the Lord of the Flies, who is linked to Lucifer, or the Devil. 

Wow 
Who did Ishmael worship?

According to the Bible, the Ishmaelites were not worshiping Yahweh God. Their alliance with nations that worshiped Baal suggests that they were also worshiping the false god Baal. Both Muslim and non-Muslim sources state that Hubal was recognized as the chief presiding deity of the Kabah
Worship salah God very dangerous
No wonder their god never answers them let the people suffer in gaza

[Ali Imran]

Firstly , did Ishmael worship and pray to Yahweh, the God of Isaac and the Israelites ?

Yes..God blessed Ishmael and made him the father of a great nation but Jewish tradition and later Jewish texts suggest Ishmael's worship practices differed from those of Abraham and his descendants through Isaac....so they are off course, that is why the Quran differs so much from previous scriptures

Show me from the Bible where it says Ishmael worshiped a different God.

[pinkpanther]

Wow 
Who did Ishmael worship?

According to the Bible, the Ishmaelites were not worshiping Yahweh God. Their alliance with nations that worshiped Baal suggests that they were also worshiping the false god Baal. Both Muslim and non-Muslim sources state that Hubal was recognized as the chief presiding deity of the Kabah
Worship salah God very dangerous

Ishmael went the wrong path...so our friend also went to the wrong road...nevermind...it is not too late to gostan...

[Lukongsimi]

Ishmael went the wrong path...so our friend also went to the wrong road...nevermind...it is not too late to gostan...

Yes 
Not too late better reverse

[pinkpanther]

Show me from the Bible where it says Ishmael worshiped a different God.

[Ali Imran]

I'm in Java.

I can't see your image.

[pinkpanther]

Show me from the Bible where it says Ishmael worshiped a different God.

If Ishmael pray to Yahweh...why are you praying to Allah?

[Ali Imran]

If Ishmael pray to Yahweh...why are you praying to Allah?

I pray to the God of Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus, peace be upon them.

I call him Allah, not Yahweh.

[pinkpanther]

I'm in Java.

I can't see your image.

AI 



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The Ishmaelites, according to biblical accounts, were not primarily worshippers of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Their association with nations that worshipped Baal suggests they also engaged in the worship of this Canaanite deity. Additionally, both Muslim and non-Muslim sources confirm that Hubal was a prominent god worshipped in Mecca before Islam, with the Kabah (Kaaba) being a central location for his worship. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Ishmaelites and Baal:
While the Bible doesn't explicitly state the Ishmaelites worshipped Baal, their alliances with other tribes who did, and the fact that Baal was a significant deity in the region, implies a likelihood of shared worship. 

Hubal in Mecca:
Hubal was the chief god of the Kabah, a shrine in Mecca, before the advent of Islam. He was a male deity, and his statue, often described as having a golden arm, was present in the Kabah. 

Pre-Islamic Arabian Religion:
The pre-Islamic Arabian religion involved the worship of numerous deities, including Hubal, and the three goddesses Al-Lat, Al-Manat, and Al-Uzza. 
Hubal and the Quraysh:

The Quraysh tribe, Muhammad's tribe, particularly venerated Hubal as their chief god, and his presence in the Kabah highlights his importance. 
Distinction from Allah:

It's important to note that while Hubal was a deity of the Kabah, Allah, as understood in Islam, was also revered as the Lord of the Kabah, but without any physical representation. 

Contrasting Worship:
The Bible condemns the worship of Baal as idolatry, highlighting the stark contrast between the worship of Yahweh and the worship of other deities.

[Ali Imran]

If Ishmael pray to Yahweh...why are you praying to Allah?

Again, show me from the Bible where it says Ishmael worshiped a different God.

[pinkpanther]

I pray to the God of Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus, peace be upon them.

I call him Allah, not Yahweh.

Everyone calls God Yahweh..not Allah
That's why you are off course...

[Ali Imran]

AI 



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The Ishmaelites, according to biblical accounts, were not primarily worshippers of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Their association with nations that worshipped Baal suggests they also engaged in the worship of this Canaanite deity. Additionally, both Muslim and non-Muslim sources confirm that Hubal was a prominent god worshipped in Mecca before Islam, with the Kabah (Kaaba) being a central location for his worship. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Ishmaelites and Baal:
While the Bible doesn't explicitly state the Ishmaelites worshipped Baal, their alliances with other tribes who did, and the fact that Baal was a significant deity in the region, implies a likelihood of shared worship. 

Hubal in Mecca:
Hubal was the chief god of the Kabah, a shrine in Mecca, before the advent of Islam. He was a male deity, and his statue, often described as having a golden arm, was present in the Kabah. 

Pre-Islamic Arabian Religion:
The pre-Islamic Arabian religion involved the worship of numerous deities, including Hubal, and the three goddesses Al-Lat, Al-Manat, and Al-Uzza. 
Hubal and the Quraysh:

The Quraysh tribe, Muhammad's tribe, particularly venerated Hubal as their chief god, and his presence in the Kabah highlights his importance. 
Distinction from Allah:

It's important to note that while Hubal was a deity of the Kabah, Allah, as understood in Islam, was also revered as the Lord of the Kabah, but without any physical representation. 

Contrasting Worship:
The Bible condemns the worship of Baal as idolatry, highlighting the stark contrast between the worship of Yahweh and the worship of other deities.

I didn't ask about Ishmaelites. At the advent of Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم, the Ishmaelites were worshipping idols. That is a well-known history.

You said Ishmael worshiped other gods. I want proof of that from the Bible.

[pinkpanther]

Again, show me from the Bible where it says Ishmael worshiped a different God.

Ishmael did not worship God
Ishmael did not set an example for his descendants and that's why
the people descended from Ishmael were polytheistic and worshiped various deities common in the Arabian Peninsula before the rise of Islam.

[Ali Imran]

Everyone calls God Yahweh..not Allah
That's why you are off course...

Everyone? Did Jesus call God Yahweh?

[pinkpanther]

I didn't ask about Ishmaelites. At the advent of Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم, the Ishmaelites were worshipping idols. That is a well-known history.

You said Ishmael worshiped other gods. I want proof of that from the Bible.

You won't get that from the Bible..
Jewish writings, like the Midrash, offer interpretations that portray Ishmael as having some pagan leanings. Some of these sources claim that Ishmael would engage in idolatrous practices when he believed he was alone, according to Chabad.org.

[Ali Imran]

Ishmael did not worship God

Can you show proof from your Bible?

[Ali Imran]

You won't get that from the Bible..
Jewish writings, like the Midrash, offer interpretations that portray Ishmael as having some pagan leanings. Some of these sources claim that Ishmael would engage in idolatrous practices when he believed he was alone, according to Chabad.org.

So nothing from your Bible. 

Ok noted.

[pinkpanther]

Everyone? Did Jesus call God Yahweh?

He prefers to call God the Father...the polite term.
We know God is called Yahweh but it is impolite for us to say His name as it is

[pinkpanther]

So nothing from your Bible. 

Ok noted.

It is in the bible...Midrash is a method of interpreting and elaborating on the Torah, specifically the first five books of the Hebrew Bible.

So you need to go to the link and look for it

[Ali Imran]

He prefers to call God the Father...the polite term.
We know God is called Yahweh but it is impolite for us to say His name as it is

So you like making false statement. Ok noted.

[Ali Imran]

It is in the bible...Midrash is a method of interpreting and elaborating on the Torah, specifically the first five books of the Hebrew Bible.

So you need to go to the link and look for it

You're the one claiming that Ishmael worshiped other gods. 

But you have nothing to show as proof. 

You like making false claims?

[Ali Imran]

I'm going out now.

We will continue this later, inshaallah.