[Ali Imran]

While Jesus, as God in human form, experienced the limitations of the flesh, this does not mean that the flesh itself is divine...

In John 1, it says God became flesh.

[Ali Imran]

رأيت ربي في صورة شاب أمرد جعد عليه حلة خضراء

I saw my Lord in the form of a curly-haired, beardless young man, wearing a green robe.

The well-known Salafi website, Dorar, has published a research on this hadith. In that research, they have stated about this report above:

وهذا الحديث من هذا الطريق صححه جمعٌ من أهل العلم، منهم:

الإمام أحمد المنتخب من علل الخلال: ص282، وإبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/139

وأبو زرعة الرازي إبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/144

والطبراني إبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/143

وأبو الحسن بن بشار إبطال التأويلات 1/ 142، 143، 222

وأبو يعلى في إبطال التأويلات 1/ 141، 142، 143

وابن صدقة إبطال التأويلات 1/144 تلبيس الجهمية 7 /225

وابن تيمية في بيان تلبيس الجهمية 7/290، 356 طبعة مجمع الملك فهد لطباعة المصحف الشريف- 1426هـ

 

This hadith through this chain has been declared sahih by a group of scholars, including:

Imam Ahmad (al-Muntakhab min 'Ilal al-Khalal, p. 282; and Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/139)

Abu Zur'ah al-Razi (Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/144)

Al-Tabarani (Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/143)

Abu al-Hasan b. Bashar (Ibtal al-Tawilat 1/142, 143, 222)

Ibn Sadaqah (Ibtal al-Tawilat 1/144) (Talbis al-Jahmiyyah 7/225)

Ibn Taymiyyah in Bayan Talbis al-Jahmiyyah 7/290, 356 - printed by King Fahd Complex for the Publication of the Noble Mushaf, 1426 H)

Many scholars rejected that Hadith. Even if we are to accept that Hadith, it was a dream.

[Ali Imran]

The concept of the Holy spirit being God has always been there in the Bible....we just extract the gist

Yes, the Holy Spirit has always been there and throughout the OT, the Holy Spirit was never God.

The Holy Spirit was declared God only in 381 AD.

[Ali Imran]

How come ?
It’s according to God’s will not your will.

If you say the change in the rules for salvation is God's will, that means God changes his mind. But the Bible says God does not change his mind. 

Why the contradiction?

[pinkpanther]

Many scholars rejected that Hadith. Even if we are to accept that Hadith, it was a dream.

In the dream, it is Allah's wish to be contained in a human form? Anyway it didn't say it was a dream

[Ali Imran]

In the dream, it is Allah's wish to be contained in a human form? Anyway it didn't say it was a dream

Yes, according to one narration, it was a dream. 

No Islamic scholar will agree that Allah dwells on earth.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, according to one narration, it was a dream. 

No Islamic scholar will agree that Allah dwells on earth.

We believe in the Torah...God took on the flesh twice.
You are told to believe in the Torah but somehow Muhammad chose to leave out the part when God took on flesh in the Quran..that is suspicious 

The Quran contradicts the torah

[Hope]

Former nun reciting and explaining the Quran verses 


https://youtu.be/6rqqBhCYvTc?si=cTm4jQfJb81xFQRP

[Ali Imran]

We believe in the Torah...God took on the flesh twice.
You are told to believe in the Torah but somehow Muhammad chose to leave out the part when God took on flesh in the Quran..that is suspicious 

The Quran contradicts the torah

In the OT, we read that the entire universe cannot contain God. In the NT, we read that no one has seen God. But you say God was on planet earth twice. 

So, the contradiction is within your own Bible.

[pinkpanther]

In the OT, we read that the entire universe cannot contain God. In the NT, we read that no one has seen God. But you say God was on planet earth twice. 

So, the contradiction is within your own Bible.

God’s willingness to engage with the human experience and be present in a specific time and place is without contradiction. 

The perceived contradiction lies in Islam's teachings, which instruct believers to believe in the Torah, yet the Quran appears to conflict with the Torah. If the Quran does not align with previous scriptures, then its validity or authority becomes questionable.

And yes, no one has seen God in His full glory

[Ali Imran]

God’s willingness to engage with the human experience and be present in a specific time and place is without contradiction. 

The perceived contradiction lies in Islam's teachings, which instruct believers to believe in the Torah, yet the Quran appears to conflict with the Torah. If the Quran does not align with previous scriptures, then its validity or authority becomes questionable.

And yes, no one has seen God in His full glory

The verses didn't say what you're spinning. 

But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! - 1 Kings 8

He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen. - 1 Timothy 6:16

So why do you believe God was walking about on planet earth? That would be a contradiction to what the 2 verses say.

[Lukongsimi]

The verses didn't say what you're spinning. 

But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! - 1 Kings 8

He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen. - 1 Timothy 6:16

So why do you believe God was walking about on planet earth? That would be a contradiction to what the 2 verses say.

Dare not talk about Koran or Hadith Always here to attack the Bible who are u?

[Lukongsimi]

Former nun reciting and explaining the Quran verses 


https://youtu.be/6rqqBhCYvTc?si=cTm4jQfJb81xFQRP

For pathetic Moslem like u to watch 
Lol

[Lukongsimi]

If you say the change in the rules for salvation is God's will, that means God changes his mind. But the Bible says God does not change his mind. 

Why the contradiction?

Use your brain to read 
It’s not easy to understand for a Moslem like u

[Lukongsimi]

How can other Christian visit the mosque?


https://youtu.be/ZdT8BkR_2Sk?si=EcQ2bPqFB-23rjaf

U think all Christians are like him?
Why not u go church n take a look 
Those with little faith will be led astray 
Your Koran says you need to trick Christians  for salvation 
It’s here posted many times by pink can’t be a joke

[Lukongsimi]

Nice joke.

Why not other humans

It’s not a joke 
Your Hadith is a dirty joke lol

[Lukongsimi]

The 2 pathetic moslems very desperate to trick Christians into their religion
By asking stupid questions all day long
If answer them they r happy to stir u
They r in Full force
As end time is coming
The devil knows time is short
Lol

[Lukongsimi]

We believe in the Torah...God took on the flesh twice.
You are told to believe in the Torah but somehow Muhammad chose to leave out the part when God took on flesh in the Quran..that is suspicious 

The Quran contradicts the torah

The two are agents from the dark force here to destroy our believe lol

[Lukongsimi]

Satan is bringing more followers to his lonely pit
If not careful u will follow him blindly
Lol

[Ali Imran]

Dare not talk about Koran or Hadith Always here to attack the Bible who are u?

What do you want to know about the Quran or the Hadith? Ask me.

[Lukongsimi]

What do you want to know about the Quran or the Hadith? Ask me.

Why Quran teaches kill Christian and Jews ?
U better answer since u ask me

[Ali Imran]

Why Quran teaches kill Christian and Jews ?
U better answer since u ask me

No, it doesn't.

[Lukongsimi]

No, it doesn't.

Yes 
U deny it!

[Lukongsimi]

The Bible contains warnings against false teachers who deviate from true doctrine and lead people astray. Specifically, the apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 6:3-5 warns against those who teach contrary to sound doctrine, focusing on "questions and strifes of words" rather than genuine godliness. Galatians 1:6-9 also condemns anyone preaching a gospel different from what was originally taught, even if it's an angel from heaven

[Lukongsimi]

To Kill and To Die In The Name of Allah
The following are news items quoted from newspapers in the last few years.
October 19, 1994
 " A powerful bomb, apparently placed by Islamic militants opposed to the Arab-Israeli peace negotiations, blew up a crowded bus during the morning rush hour in the heart of Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 22 people and wounding 48."
July 18, 1995
 " A huge bomb exploded destroying a seven-story downtown building housing two Jewish groups in Buenos Aires, Argentina.  At least 26 people were killed and 127 injured."
February 26, 1993
 " A tremendous underground explosion believed to be caused by a bomb, shook the 110 story twin towers of Manhattan�s World Trade Center, in New York, killing at least five people, injuring more than 1000, and sending tens of thousands of workers fleeing for their lives down crowded smoke-filled stairs."
May 4, 1992
 " 13 Egyptian Christians were shot dead by Muslim fundamentalists in Mansheit Nasser, Egypt.  Ten Christian farmers were ambushed and murdered while working in their fields.  A Christian teacher was shot in the local school while teaching a class of ten-year olds.  A Christian doctor was shot dead outside his home."
 These are just a few samples out of thousands of terrorist attacks, which all have one element in common:  They were all committed by Muslim fundamentalists.  While there are extremists in other groups, who are capable of committing acts of violence, it seems that violence committed by Muslim extremists exceeds the violence of all other groups combined.
WHY DO MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS ACT THIS WAY?
 Are Muslim fundamentalists inherently inhumane, savage and evil?  Of course not.  Muslims are ordinary people, just like anybody else.  They are fathers, brothers and sons.  They could be doctors, engineers and lawyers.  They are your co-workers, and your next door neighbors.
 So what goes on in their minds when they act violently?  To understand this one must understand an important and dangerous Islamic teaching called "Jihad", ( or Holy War).
 It is important to understand that not every Arab is a Muslim, not every Muslim is an Arab, and not every Muslim is a fundamentalist.  We are not trying to attack a religion.  We are only exposing a teaching in a religion that could have a serious effect on all society.
 It is also important to know that in exercising Jihad, Muslim fundamentalists may not think they are trying to maliciously hurt others, but rather they are only obeying God�s commandments.  And in doing so, they are assuring themselves a place in Paradise.
JIHAD ( Holy War)
Jihad is one of the most sacred duties Muslims perform.  The word "Jihad", is an Arabic word which means "struggle".  In this sense Jihad is the struggle for the cause of spreading Islam, using all means available to Muslims, including violence.  This kind of Jihad is often referred to as " Holy War".
 In resorting to violence, Muslims will not have any problem finding passages in the Quran ( believed by Muslims to be Allah�s word), and the Hadith (Mohammed�s sayings as recorded by Al Bukhari), that will not only condone violence, but will also demand it.
JIHAD IN THE "QURAN".
 Allah orders Muslims in the Quran to terrorize non-Muslims on His behalf.
 "Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies."
 Surah 8:60
 Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame." Surah 9:14
 " I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.  It is not ye who slew them; it was God."
Surah 8:13-17.
JIHAD IN THE "HADITH".
 In the Hadith Mohammed also urges Muslims to practice Jihad.
 Mohammed was once asked: what is the best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and His Apostle?  His answer was : " To participate in Jihad in Allah�s cause. " Al Bukhari vol 1:25.
 Mohammed was quoted as saying:  "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
Al Bukhari vol 4:196.
 Mohammed also said;  "The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah�s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).  Al Bukhari vol 1:35

MOHAMMED: AN EXAMPLE
 When the prophet of Islam started preaching his new religion in Mecca, he was conciliatory to Christians and Jews.  He told them, "We believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God. "Surah 29:45.  This attitude changed completely after he gained strength.  Allah then tells him to
"Fight People of the Book (Christians and Jews), who do not accept the religion of the truth (Islam), until they pay tribute (penalty tax) by hand, being inferior." Surah 9:29.
 Regarding Christians and Jews, it seems that Mohammed hated the Jews more.  During his lifetime, Mohammed devoted much of his efforts to get rid of the Jews:  "You (Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His apostle, and I want to expel from this land ( the Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it".  Mohammed was quoted.
 At that time there were in Medina three Jewish tribes.  Two of them, the Qaynqa and the Bani-al-Nudair tribes, were besieged by Mohammed�s men, blocking their access to food supplies, until they surrendered on Mohammed�s terms, which were that their lives would be spared, that they must emigrate from Medina, and that they must deposit all their belongings at a certain place for distribution among Muslims.
 The third tribe, Bani Quayza, was not as lucky.  After the war of the trench, in which Mohammed was besieged by the Qurayshites led, by Abu Sofyan, it was alleged that Bani Qurayza agreed to provide help from within to Abu Sofyan�s forces.  Although the alleged help did not materialize and the siege eventually ended, nevertheless, Mohammed never forgave them for their willingness to help his enemies.
 Muslims turned against Bani Qurayza and blocked their streets for twenty five days.
 The Jewish tribe expressed readiness to accept the surrender terms which had been conceded to the other two Jewish tribes, namely cession of their belongings and departure with safe conduct.
 Mohammed, however, would not consent to this, and instead appointed as an arbiter Saad iben Moaz, a man who was known to be on bad terms with Bani Qurayza.  Saad ruled that all Bani Qurayza�s men should be beheaded, that the women and children should be sold as slaves, and that all their property should be divided among the Muslims.
 Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina for disposal of the nine hundred Jewish bodies whom Mohammed had spent the night slaughtering. (See Ibn Hisham: The Propeht�s Biography: vol 2 pages 40&41.)

[Ali Imran]

Yes 
U deny it!

No, the Quran doesn't tell us to kill Christians or Jews.

[Lukongsimi]

No, the Quran doesn't tell us to kill Christians or Jews.

Show the proof don’t just empty talk

[Ali Imran]

The Bible contains warnings against false teachers who deviate from true doctrine and lead people astray. 

Yes, the NT contains warnings against false teachers. Specifically, Jesus warned his followers about the one who would teach people to discard the Law.

[Ali Imran]

Show the proof don’t just empty talk

You're the one making the claim so you should show proof, not me.

[Lukongsimi]

Yes, the NT contains warnings against false teachers. Specifically, Jesus warned his followers about the one who would teach people to discard the Law.

Who discarded the law it’s your own imagination?