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(Yesterday, 08:52 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: If Jesus is God and disbelieving that would mean eternal hell, then yes, he must tell people that he is God.
No..He doesn't need to say it!
Then let me say that Islam is also false because Muhammad does not say that He is a messenger of God..
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(Yesterday, 08:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Is Jesus divine?
Is Jesus God?
No. Jesus never said he is God.
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(Yesterday, 08:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: No..He doesn't need to say it!
Then it would not be fair to throw people into hell for not believing Jesus is God when he himself didn't tell people that he is God.
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(Yesterday, 08:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Is Jesus God?
No. Jesus never said he is God.
Muhammad never say He is the messenger of God
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(Yesterday, 08:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Then it would not be fair to throw people into hell for not believing Jesus is God when he himself didn't tell people that he is God.
Then it would not be fair to throw people into hell for not believing Allah is God when he himself didn't tell people that he is God.
How does Allah tell people that He is God?
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(Yesterday, 09:03 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Then it would not be fair to throw people into hell for not believing Allah is God when he himself didn't tell people that he is God.
How does Allah tell people that He is God?
God says He alone is God.
We can find that in the scriptures.
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(Yesterday, 09:03 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Muhammad never say He is the messenger of God
We are discussing whether Jesus is God.
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(Yesterday, 09:06 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: We are discussing whether Jesus is God.
I know..but the topic is broad and can be extended to Muhammad
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(Yesterday, 09:10 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: I know..but the topic is broad and can be extended to Muhammad
So, is it fair to punish people for not believing Jesus is God when Jesus himself never once said he is God?
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(Yesterday, 09:05 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: God says He alone is God.
We can find that in the scriptures.
That is right. God is one being existing in three co-equal persons...we are monotheists, remember?
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(Yesterday, 09:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: So, is it fair to punish people for not believing Jesus is God when Jesus himself never once said he is God?
Jesus does not need to say...the Father had already said...and the Bible will say it all again and again for future generations
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(Yesterday, 09:13 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: That is right. God is one being existing in three co-equal persons...we are monotheists, remember?
The Father says He alone is God and there is no other besides Him.
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(Yesterday, 09:15 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Jesus does not need to say...the Father had already said...and the Bible will say it all again and again for future generations
The Father said He alone is God and there is no other besides Him.
So, is it just to punish people for not believing Jesus is God when Jesus himself never said he is God and the Father already said He alone is God?
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(Yesterday, 09:15 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: The Father says He alone is God and there is no other besides Him.
Indeed there is no one...the 3 persons share the same divine nature....I don see anyone else
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(Yesterday, 09:17 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Indeed there is no one...the 3 persons share the same divine nature....I don see anyone else
Only 1 person said He alone is God and there is no other besides Him.
You add 2 other persons.
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(Yesterday, 09:17 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: The Father said He alone is God and there is no other besides Him.
So, is it just to punish people for not believing Jesus is God when Jesus himself never said he is God and the Father already said He alone is God?
Well..tell that to Muhammad, he never once admit in the Quran that He is the messenger of Allah and is it just to punish people for not believing that Allah is God?
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(Yesterday, 09:21 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Well..tell that to Muhammad, he never once admit in the Quran that He is the messenger of Allah and is it just to punish people for not believing that Allah is God?
If you don't believe in God, it is just to throw you in hell for disbelieving in God because you have been told about the existence of God. In other words, you have been warned.
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(Yesterday, 09:19 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Only 1 person said He alone is God and there is no other besides Him.
You add 2 other persons.
No..it is 1 being saying He alone is God and there is no other besides Him..
3 persons form a being
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(Yesterday, 09:23 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: If you don't believe in God, it is just to throw you in hell for disbelieving in God because you have been told about the existence of God. In other words, you have been warned.
That's right .I believe in God and Stephen further prove that I'm right...you have been warned for disbelieving it
Thomas said:" my lord and my God"
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(Yesterday, 09:25 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: No..it is 1 being saying He alone is God and there is no other besides Him..
3 persons form a being
Is the Father 1 person?
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(Yesterday, 09:35 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Is the Father 1 person?
Yes
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(Yesterday, 09:26 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: That's right .I believe in God and Stephen further prove that I'm right...you have been warned for disbelieving it
Thomas said:" my lord and my God"
Is it fair to throw you in hell for believing 2 other persons are fully God besides the Father?
Yes, it is fair because the Father has warned you not to take others as God besides Him.
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(Yesterday, 09:36 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Yes
So the Father already said He ALONE is God and there is no other besides Him.
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(Yesterday, 09:36 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Is it fair to throw you in hell for believing 2 other persons are fully God besides the Father?
Yes, it is fair because the Father has warned you not to take others as God besides Him.
These three persons are not separate gods but rather different aspects or manifestations of the one divine essence...they belong to one!
Where did we take others as God when they are all one...you are taking others as God when you associate Allah with Muhammad in your prayers...it is quite laughable when you can blame us when Islam is so guilty of it
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(Yesterday, 09:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: So the Father already said He ALONE is God and there is no other besides Him.
The Father did not say that! God being one being said that.....try to trick me?
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(Yesterday, 09:43 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Father did not say that! God being one being said that.....try to trick me?
Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. - Isaiah 45
Who is speaking?
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(Yesterday, 09:49 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. - Isaiah 45
Who is speaking?
One being One God
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(Yesterday, 09:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: These three persons are not separate gods but rather different aspects or manifestations of the one divine essence...they belong to one!
Of the 3 persons, only 1 says He alone is God, and there is no other.
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(Yesterday, 09:50 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: One being One God
From that verse in Isaiah 45, we can see that only 1 person is speaking because of the pronoun "I".
Who is that person?
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(Yesterday, 09:51 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Of the 3 persons, only 1 says He alone is God, and there is no other.
one person alone cannot fully represent the entirety of God
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