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(15-08-2025, 07:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You are wrong...go read Leviticus
Leviticus 17:11 states that the life of a creature is in its blood, and God has given it for atonement on the altar
When a poor person sacrifices flour, is there any blood involved?
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(15-08-2025, 07:19 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: That's the problem when you believe God needs to be a man to forgive the sins of mankind.
You will never be able to imagine the power of the ALMIGHTY God.
This is no ordinary man ..please tell me where is this man? Can an ordinary man without thousands of years without aging?
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(15-08-2025, 07:22 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: This is no ordinary man ..please tell me where is this man? Can an ordinary man without thousands of years without aging?
I'm not talking about Jesus.
I said you believe God needs a man to forgive the sins of mankind. When you believe God needs something, that means God is NOT almighty.
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(15-08-2025, 07:22 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: When a poor person sacrifices flour, is there any blood involved?
The first priority has always been blood... That is why you moslems slaughter lambs on that special day! Why not offer flour to Allah to show your obedience?
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(15-08-2025, 07:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I'm not talking about Jesus.
I said you believe God needs a man to forgive the sins of mankind. When you believe God needs something, that means God is NOT almighty.
Why are you restricting what God can do or cannot do?
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(15-08-2025, 07:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You are wrong...go read Leviticus
Leviticus 17:11 states that the life of a creature is in its blood, and God has given it for atonement on the altar
Without the shedding of blood there's no forgiveness of sin lah!
Jesus Christ the Passover Lamb of God has already shed His blood for us once and for all lah!
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(15-08-2025, 07:29 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: Without the shedding of blood there's no forgiveness of sin lah! Jesus Christ the Passover Lamb of God has already shed His blood for us once and for all lah!
Yes lah...
but our friend says there is no need to sacrifice Jesus...just offer flour to God can already
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Debate until page 666 liao anti Christ is here
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(15-08-2025, 07:32 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Yes lah... but our friend says there is no need to sacrifice Jesus...just offer flour to God can already
Not I say. The Bible states that. Go read Ezekiel 18.
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(15-08-2025, 07:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Why are you restricting what God can do or cannot do?
I'm not. You're the one restricting God when you believe God
NEEDS to be a man to forgive the sins of mankind.
A needy god is not an almighty God.
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(15-08-2025, 07:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I'm not talking about Jesus.
I said you believe God needs a man to forgive the sins of mankind. When you believe God needs something, that means God is NOT almighty.
As if you know about God and His ways
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(15-08-2025, 08:01 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: As if you know about God and His ways
Not I say. Ezekiel and Leviticus state, God can forgive sins without the blood sacrifice.
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(15-08-2025, 08:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Not I say. Ezekiel and Leviticus state, God can forgive sins without the blood sacrifice.
That was in the past
Now so
Convenient no need bring flour or animal to sacrifice
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(15-08-2025, 07:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Not I say. The Bible states that. Go read Ezekiel 18.
Christian theology generally emphasizes that Jesus' sacrifice was the ultimate and perfect act of atonement, rendering other sacrifices obsolete...
God's acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice was necessary to reconcile humanity with God. ...why you want to offer flour?
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(15-08-2025, 07:58 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I'm not. You're the one restricting God when you believe God NEEDS to be a man to forgive the sins of mankind.
A needy god is not an almighty God.
God needs to become a man in order to communicate His message to the world....it is so simple.
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(15-08-2025, 08:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Not I say. Ezekiel and Leviticus state, God can forgive sins without the blood sacrifice.
Why you don offer flour for Allah? Does He likes lamb chops better?
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(15-08-2025, 08:18 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: God needs to become a man in order to communicate His message to the world....it is so simple.
See? Even you inevitably admit you believe in a needy God.
I reject such a god.
I believe God is almighty, in need of nothing, and everything needs Him.
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(15-08-2025, 08:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Why you don offer flour for Allah? Does He likes lamb chops better?
Mock all you want.
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(15-08-2025, 08:07 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: That was in the past
Now so
Convenient no need bring flour or animal to sacrifice
So in the past, God can just erase our sins.
Now, you believe God needs payment in blood to forgive the sins of mankind.
Why the sudden change?
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(15-08-2025, 08:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: See? Even you inevitably admit you believe in a needy God.
I reject such a god.
I believe God is almighty, in need of nothing, and everything needs Him.
He needs animal sacrifices and flour...isn't that a need? If Allah does not need anything...why are you sacrificing lambs on that special day?
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(15-08-2025, 08:22 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Mock all you want.
You say Allah doesn't have needs...so why does He requires you to pray 5 times to Him?
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(15-08-2025, 08:23 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: He needs animal sacrifices and flour...isn't that a need? If Allah does not need anything...why are you sacrificing lambs on that special day?
No, God doesn't need that. We need to show our obedience to God.
We sacrifice lambs on that day to commemorate the obedience of Prophet Abraham, pbuh.
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(15-08-2025, 08:25 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You say Allah doesn't have needs...so why does He requires you to pray 5 times to Him?
We pray 5 times a day in obedience to His command. We are beings created with free will, to obey or disobey.
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(15-08-2025, 08:27 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: No, God doesn't need that. We need to show our obedience to God.
We sacrifice lambs on that day to commemorate the obedience of Prophet Abraham, pbuh.
When you slaughter that lamb...whose name did you dedicate to? Abraham?
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(15-08-2025, 08:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: When you slaughter that lamb...whose name did you dedicate to? Abraham?
We slaughter in the name of Allah.
Bismillah, we say.
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(15-08-2025, 08:28 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We pray 5 times a day in obedience to His command. We are beings created with free will, to obey or disobey.
That is His requirement to satisfy His needs isn't it
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(15-08-2025, 08:29 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We slaughter in the name of Allah.
Bismillah, we say.
There you go....Allah needs blood sacrifices!
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(15-08-2025, 08:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: There you go....Allah needs blood sacrifices!
No, you're wrong. Saying "bismillah" doesn't mean Allah needs something.
Allah is as-Samad, which means Allah is in need of nothing but everything is in need of Allah.
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(15-08-2025, 08:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: That is His requirement to satisfy His needs isn't it
Allah doesn't require us to worship Him.
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