Scripture readings for Christmas

(16-08-2025, 12:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So many people don't worship God but He creates them nonetheless.

So your argument doesn't stand up to what I've said before.

Most people worship a deity at some point in their lives. While many revere God, they may eventually drift away from their respective religions. God also created them with that purpose in mind...

You cannot say all atheists did not have any religion to start with
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(16-08-2025, 12:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Most people worship a deity at some point in their lives. While many revere God, they may eventually drift away from their respective religions. God also created them with that purpose in mind...

You cannot say all atheists did not have any religion to start with

So, whether mankind believes God exists or not, it doesn't take anything away from God.

Similarly, whether we worship God or not, it doesn't take anything away from God. 

In conclusion, God doesn't need us to believe He exists or not, and He doesn't need us to worship Him.
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(16-08-2025, 12:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So, whether mankind believes God exists or not, it doesn't take anything away from God.

Similarly, whether we worship God or not, doesn't take anything away from God. 

In conclusion, God doesn't need us to believe He exists or not, and He doesn't need us to worship Him.

When God creates you and wills for you to pray to Him, He is establishing a relationship where both parties have needs. You need His guidance, and He desires your mandatory worship.

 It must be a mutual connection....if you cease to be a need for Him, He may remove you from existence.
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(16-08-2025, 10:43 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Just making conversation.

I've booked a hotel up in the mountains today, for 1 night. The drive is about 2 hours so not too far away.

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Thanks for the pics 
refreshing a bit lol
Me booked tour to Taiwan 10 days but cancelled it due to continuously earthquakes

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(16-08-2025, 12:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  When God creates you and wills for you to pray to Him, He is establishing a relationship where both parties have needs. You need His guidance, and He desires your mandatory worship.

 It must be a mutual connection....if you cease to be a need for Him, He may remove you from existence.

So many people don't believe in God. Were they removed from existence? The answer is no. 

Try again.
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(16-08-2025, 10:45 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  This is the room. About $35 bucks only. Breakfast included.

Awesome right?

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Can be a king over there in malang 
Got Chinese there?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(16-08-2025, 12:38 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Can be a king over there in malang 
Got Chinese there?

YES!

But I've yet to meet one who can speak Chinese or Hokkien.
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Devil 

(16-08-2025, 12:37 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So many people don't believe in God. Were they removed from existence? The answer is no. 

Try again.

Allah has made it clear that humanity was created to worship Him. .., atheists are not worshipping Him. Does this mean that Allah is a false God?
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(16-08-2025, 12:49 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Allah has made it clear that humanity was created to worship Him. .., atheists are not worshipping Him. Does this mean that Allah is a false God?

No, it doesn't mean that. It means some people will not enter life.
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But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(16-08-2025, 01:13 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  No, it doesn't mean that. It means some people will not enter life.

Allah already says that He created mankind to worship Him...what do you mean some people will not enter life? 

Currently, approximately 22% of the world's population practices Islam and worships Allah, which suggests that a significant portion of humanity does not worship Him. Doesn't this imply that His statement about creation and purpose is not universally fulfilled?

 If many do not worship Him, so He is making a false statement
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(16-08-2025, 10:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Ocean view was an option but the 3 hour drive down south made me choose the mountains instead. 

My drive today is just 2 hours highway.

Post real pic taken by u not goggle one

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Java mountain top hotel


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As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(16-08-2025, 12:39 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  YES!

But I've yet to meet one who can speak Chinese or Hokkien.

Allah says life is a test...why are you living like a king?
Why are you not down in Gaza helping out?
If you go and help out your brothers...your Jannah is more or less assured
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(16-08-2025, 04:47 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Allah says life is a test...why are you living like a king?
Why are you not down in Gaza helping out?
If you go and help out your brothers...your Jannah is more or less assured

He Enjoy life n blames us for Gaza sufferings

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(16-08-2025, 05:10 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  He Enjoy life n blames us for Gaza sufferings

Yes...it is their problem but can drag the Christians in Laughing
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(16-08-2025, 05:10 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  He Enjoy life n blames us for Gaza sufferings

(16-08-2025, 05:11 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes...it is their problem but can drag the Christians in Laughing

Roman Emperor Nero set his palace on fire and blamed those Christians also lah! Big Grin
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(16-08-2025, 05:13 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Roman Emperor Nero set his palace on fire and blamed those Christians also lah! Big Grin

Wah lao! King Ali plays emperor Nero....sibey tok Kong! Big Grin
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(16-08-2025, 03:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Allah already says that He created mankind to worship Him...what do you mean some people will not enter life? 

Currently, approximately 22% of the world's population practices Islam and worships Allah, which suggests that a significant portion of humanity does not worship Him. Doesn't this imply that His statement about creation and purpose is not universally fulfilled?

 If many do not worship Him, so He is making a false statement

Did Allah give us the free will to choose to worship Him? The answer is yes. 

You have tried for so long to falsify the Quran or Islam. Till now, you have not succeeded. So, be reminded that hell awaits those who refuse to worship the one true God.
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(16-08-2025, 05:25 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Did Allah give us the free will to choose to worship Him? The answer is yes. 

You have tried for so long to falsify the Quran or Islam. Till now, you have not succeeded. So, be reminded that hell awaits those who refuse to worship the one true God.

If you submit to the will of Allah ..what free will do you have? Do moslems believe that everything is ultimately predetermined by God's decree? The answer is Yes! You cannot change anything!

Hell awaits those who falsified Jesus and attribute sins to Him...
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(16-08-2025, 05:11 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes...it is their problem but can drag the Christians in Laughing

Without the support of zionist Christians, the zionist Jews would not be able to do what they are doing now, genocide.
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(16-08-2025, 05:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If you submit to the will of Allah ..what free will do you have? Do moslems believe that everything is ultimately predetermined by God's decree? The answer is Yes! You cannot change anything!

Hell awaits those who falsified Jesus and attribute sins to Him...

Do you submit to the will of Allah? No, you don't. You choose not to believe. That is your free will.
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(16-08-2025, 05:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hell awaits those who falsified Jesus and attribute sins to Him...

Yes, that is you. You made him into one of your 3 distinct but not separated, fully 100% Gods.
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(16-08-2025, 05:31 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Without the support of zionist Christians, the zionist Jews would not be able to do what they are doing now, genocide.

No christians pull the trigger! We are simply doing business...making blood money!
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(16-08-2025, 05:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Yes, that is you. You made him into one of your 3 distinct but not separated, fully 100% Gods.

You can say anything but the gospel gave a good account of Jesus...unlike the Quran, your God did the unthinkable to Jesus without giving him a choice! 

The sinless unalive the sinless...Did Allah will Himself into the plot? Does Allah need to do the dirty job? It is not befitting of Allah to do the work Himself
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(16-08-2025, 05:34 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  No christians pull the trigger! We are simply doing business...making blood money!

Without the support of zionist Christians, the zionist Jews would not be able to do what they are doing, genocide. And what's worse is that they are making money out of killing innocent people. And you're okay with that.
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(16-08-2025, 05:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You can say anything but the gospel gave a good account of Jesus...unlike the Quran, your God did the unthinkable to Jesus without giving him a choice! 

Again, pretending you know when you have no idea what happened to the son of Mary, the mighty messenger of Allah, peace be upon him.

Why do you like to speak without knowledge?
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(16-08-2025, 05:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You can say anything but the gospel gave a good account of Jesus...

Let me correct you. It should be Gospels, plural.

So, which of the 4 Gospels gives a good account of Jesus? They all differ. I've shown the differences many times already.
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(16-08-2025, 05:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Again, pretending you know when you have no idea what happened to the son of Mary, the mighty messenger of Allah, peace be upon him.

Why do you like to speak without knowledge?

Can the Quran be wrong? Can we have a few versions of the truth? Or can we have only the truth? Did Allah take the life of Jesus? Yes or No?

If Allah can take the life of Jesus, why would He resort getting a substitute to replace Jesus? 

The story of the Quran needs to make sense to readers....
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(16-08-2025, 05:52 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Can the Quran be wrong? Can we have a few versions of the truth? Or can we have only the truth? Did Allah take the life of Jesus? Yes or No?

If Allah can take the life of Jesus, why would He resort getting a substitute to replace Jesus? 

The story of the Quran needs to make sense to readers....

We have gone through this a few times already. 

The Quran only tells us that Jesus was neither killed nor crucified. On that point, all scholars agree. Other than that, the scholars can only make educated guesses.

No, the Quran cannot be wrong because the Quran is the verbatim word of God. That is our faith, and you can, at best, disbelieve, but you cannot falsify our faith.
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