[cheekopekman]

Where is Lksm and ckpm? All busy already?

I have more important things to do than waste time here lah!  Preparing for my next mission trip liao lah!

[pinkpanther]

That's where you're saying the Father is a partial God, not fully 100% God. My body is partial me, my soul is partial me, my spirit is partial me. Together, they make up me. 

The partiality of each person of the triune God follows, and together they make up 1 full God. Is that your explanation?

Is your body fully yours? Is your soul and spirit completely yours? How can they be partial when each is unique in its own way...only when you recognize them as one then they will help you fulfill your purpose in life

[pinkpanther]

I have more important things to do than waste time here lah!  Preparing for my next mission trip liao lah!

Nothing is a waste of time when you want to know more about God ....this time you go where for mission

[cheekopekman]

Nothing is a waste of time when you want to know more about God ....this time you go where for mission

Mission is a secret cannot say lah!  Later the enemy will attack lah!

[pinkpanther]

Mission is a secret cannot say lah!  Later the enemy will attack lah!

There is no enemy here...even the Moslem is a Christian..He believes that Jesus is the way to salvation and he acknowledge the Father...so technically he is one of us

[Ali Imran]

Is your body fully yours? Is your soul and spirit completely yours? How can they be partial when each is unique in its own way...only when you recognize them as one then they will help you fulfill your purpose in life

Is the body alone, without the soul and the spirit, fully 100% human?

[pinkpanther]

Is the body alone, without the soul and the spirit, fully 100% human?

No...a body without the soul and spirit...you can be called a vegetable, a zombie or a retard serving no purpose!

[pinkpanther]

https://youtube.com/shorts/p52zQUZLMGM?s...BeeIQqjKqW

[Hope]

https://youtu.be/kxlAdltfaHU?si=TCFgOR1m5M0s1mFG



Powered by Jesus.

[Hope]

https://youtu.be/WLkuAIlPiF0?si=LDDY0vmE_WsdbTxY

[Hope]

https://youtu.be/KVgz_6sf59I?si=VUCqxlj2WGahvoeF

[pinkpanther]

Question:
Was Mohammed a real prophet?

Answer:
Jesus Christ came to definitively fulfill the law (Matt. 5:16-17; see 1 John1:1-3). Jesus is the final prophet, the fulfillment of divine Revelation (Heb. 1:1-4, CCC 436).

Given that reality, we charitably submit that Mohammed cannot be an authentic prophet of God, because he sees himself, not Jesus, as the fulfillment of divine Revelation. Consequently, while we would not recognize his reported messages from the Angel Gabriel as authentic, Mohammed taught that Jesus is a prophet but not the eternal Son of God who redeemed us through his one sacrifice of Calvary. Again, these words are said in charity to our Muslims friends and neighbors out of true love, not disparagement. Similarly, when Muslims deny the true identity of Jesus, we respond that they’re mistaken, but we don’t presume blasphemous insult on their part.

It’s essential to proceed in such charity in giving fruitful witness to our Muslim friends and neighbors.

[Lukongsimi]

Acts 26:18:
Paul explains that his mission is to open people's eyes "so that they may turn from darkness to light, from the power of Satan to God".

[Ali Imran]

Question:
Was Mohammed a real prophet?

Answer:
Jesus Christ came to definitively fulfill the law (Matt. 5:16-17; see 1 John1:1-3). Jesus is the final prophet, the fulfillment of divine Revelation (Heb. 1:1-4, CCC 436).

Given that reality, we charitably submit that Mohammed cannot be an authentic prophet of God, because he sees himself, not Jesus, as the fulfillment of divine Revelation. Consequently, while we would not recognize his reported messages from the Angel Gabriel as authentic, Mohammed taught that Jesus is a prophet but not the eternal Son of God who redeemed us through his one sacrifice of Calvary. Again, these words are said in charity to our Muslims friends and neighbors out of true love, not disparagement. Similarly, when Muslims deny the true identity of Jesus, we respond that they’re mistaken, but we don’t presume blasphemous insult on their part.

It’s essential to proceed in such charity in giving fruitful witness to our Muslim friends and neighbors.

You can only disbelieve in the prophethood of Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم, but you cannot falsify the claim. 

Jesus said, according to the Gospels, that he didn't complete the message. That means he wasn't the fulfillment of divine revelation. He said that another will come after him with the complete message, the fulfillment of the divine revelation.

There is only 1 divine revelation that came after Jesus, and that is the Quran.

[Ali Imran]

No...a body without the soul and spirit...you can be called a vegetable, a zombie or a retard serving no purpose!

So the body is a partial human, not a full human. Other parts are still needed to make a full human.

[pinkpanther]

You can only disbelieve in the prophethood of Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم, but you cannot falsify the claim. 

Jesus said, according to the Gospels, that he didn't complete the message. That means he wasn't the fulfillment of divine revelation. He said that another will come after him with the complete message, the fulfillment of the divine revelation.

There is only 1 divine revelation that came after Jesus, and that is the Quran.

in John 16:12-13, Jesus says:

"I have much more to say to you, but you cannot bear it now. When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth."

This suggests that Jesus himself indicated that the full revelation would be completed or continued through the coming of the Holy Spirit, rather than another human prophet coming after him...so we can rule out Muhammad completely ..

We believe the Holy Spirit continues to guide us into the truth while the Quran somewhat does not show that it is capable to protrude that truth because of the lack of details..

[pinkpanther]

So the body is a partial human, not a full human. Other parts are still needed to make a full human.

Just as the body, soul, and spirit are distinct yet inseparable parts of a single human being, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God.

[Ali Imran]

in John 16:12-13, Jesus says:

"I have much more to say to you, but you cannot bear it now. When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth."

This suggests that Jesus himself indicated that the full revelation would be completed or continued through the coming of the Holy Spirit, rather than another human prophet coming after him...so we can rule out Muhammad completely ..

We believe the Holy Spirit continues to guide us into the truth while the Quran somewhat does not show that it is capable to protrude that truth because of the lack of details..

The point is, Jesus wasn't the fulfillment of divine revelations.

[Ali Imran]

Just as the body, soul, and spirit are distinct yet inseparable parts of a single human being, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God.

Just like the body isn't completely a single human without the soul and the spirit, so too the Father isn't completely one God without the Son and Holy Spirit.

[pinkpanther]

The point is, Jesus wasn't the fulfillment of divine revelations.

Then it isn't Muhammad either because we cannot find his descriptions mentioned in the Torah and gospel..if we can't find it then we can say that the Quran is making a claim that it fails to substantiate...so it is false!

Hebrews 1:1-4
The Supremacy of God's Son

1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

[pinkpanther]

Just like the body isn't completely a single human without the soul and the spirit, so too the Father isn't completely one God without the Son and Holy Spirit.

That is right..The Father is not the completeness of one God without the Son and Holy Spirit... 

one God eternally exists as three distinct, co-equal Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

[pinkpanther]

Sahih Muslim 2771
Anas reported that a person was charged with fornication with the slavegirl of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to 'Ali:

Go and strike his neck. 'Ali came to him and he found him in a well making his body cool. 'Ali said to him: Come out, and as he took hold of his hand and brought him out, he found that his sexual organ had been cut. Hadrat 'Ali refrained from striking his neck. He came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and said: Allah's Messenger, he has not even the sexual organ with him.

[Ali Imran]

Then it isn't Muhammad either because we cannot find his descriptions mentioned in the Torah and gospel..if we can't find it then we can say that the Quran is making a claim that it fails to substantiate...so it is false!

Hebrews 1:1-4
The Supremacy of God's Son

1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

We're not discussing my prophet. We're discussing "fulfillment of divine revelation" which you said was Jesus. I am refuting that point. Jesus said he cannot deliver the full picture. No fulfillment from Jesus.

[Ali Imran]

That is right..The Father is not the completeness of one God without the Son and Holy Spirit... 

one God eternally exists as three distinct, co-equal Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Ergo, the Father is a part of one God, a partial God.

[Lukongsimi]

We're not discussing my prophet. We're discussing "fulfillment of divine revelation" which you said was Jesus. I am refuting that point. Jesus said he cannot deliver the full picture. No fulfillment from Jesus.

Don’t make sense from a lion to a wild donkey

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus was referring to John the Baptist when he spoke of a messenger who would fulfill prophecy by preparing the way for him, a message found in Matthew 11:10, quoting Malachi 3:1, and also in the Gospels of Mark and Matthew, according to the disciples' understanding.

Biblical References
Matthew 11:10:
"For this is he of whom it is written: 'Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, Who will prepare Your way before You,'" referring to John the Baptist.
Matthew 17:13:
"Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist".
Gospel of Mark:
The Gospel of Mark implies that John the Baptist's arrival is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah that says, "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way".

[pinkpanther]

Ergo, the Father is a part of one God, a partial God.

the Father is not a part of God but is fully and eternally God, co-equal with the Son and the Holy Spirit, all existing as one God

[pinkpanther]

We're not discussing my prophet. We're discussing "fulfillment of divine revelation" which you said was Jesus. I am refuting that point. Jesus said he cannot deliver the full picture. No fulfillment from Jesus.

Yes .His words often pointed to the future, with the Holy Spirit eventually revealing more complete understanding to his followers...so the fulfillment is from the Holy spirit...

In the Gospel of John, Jesus promises that after his departure, the Holy Spirit will come to guide his disciples into "all truth" and to "tell them what is to come". ...so we do not need Muhammad!

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/N6yVPQRIK0M?s...Pg2tnp7Uo1

[pinkpanther]

Don’t make sense from a lion to a wild donkey

The descendants of Ishmael are referred to as wild donkeys