[pinkpanther]

Did you read that?

There is no contradiction

[Ali Imran]

Lksm had shown to you to h2o can exist in 3 states simultaneously if the conditions are met...

The 3 persons all have their role to function.

So the Trinity is conditional. 

How does that work?

[Ali Imran]

There is no contradiction

I didn't say it is a contradiction. I'm just asking you what is the most important commandment according to Jesus? According to Mark, its the Shema and according to Matthew, it is not the Shema. How come you don't know that Mark and Matthew didn't agree on the answer given by Jesus. Which book is giving us the truth?

[Lukongsimi]

In Christian theology, the Trinity is one God existing as three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Each Person shares the same divine essence, or nature, but carries out distinct, cooperative roles within the Godhead and in relation to humanity and creation. The Father is the Creator and Sustainer; the Son is the Redeemer; and the Holy Spirit is the Sanctifier and Empowerer of believers. These roles are inseparable and occur in perfect harmony, with the Father sending the Son, who obeys, and the Spirit applying Christ's work to believers. 

[pinkpanther]

I didn't say it is a contradiction. I'm just asking you what is the most important commandment according to Jesus? According to Mark, its the Shema and according to Matthew, it is not the Shema. How come you don't know that Mark and Matthew didn't agree on the answer given by Jesus. Which book is giving us the truth?

Both Mark and Matthew's Gospels record Jesus quoting the Shema, but Matthew's account differs with extra details....there is no disagreement!

[pinkpanther]

So the Trinity is conditional. 

How does that work?

We do not need to go into details like the conditions...what I'm showing you is that h2o can co exist in 3 states...

If that can happen, why do you deny that God cannot co exist in 3 persons

[pinkpanther]

So the Trinity is conditional. 

How does that work?

H₂O (water) can exist in solid (ice), liquid (water), and vapor (steam) states simultaneously at a specific temperature and pressure known as its triple point.

Take triple point as the one God and the 3 states of H2o as the 3 persons...

[Lukongsimi]

• H₂O, meaning each water molecule consists of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom connected by covalent bonds. 
  
  
  

[pinkpanther]

I didn't say it is a contradiction. I'm just asking you what is the most important commandment according to Jesus? According to Mark, its the Shema and according to Matthew, it is not the Shema. How come you don't know that Mark and Matthew didn't agree on the answer given by Jesus. Which book is giving us the truth?

How can you say that Christians are polytheists when Jesus quoted the shema...

[Ali Imran]

H₂O (water) can exist in solid (ice), liquid (water), and vapor (steam) states simultaneously at a specific temperature and pressure known as its triple point.

Take triple point as the one God and the 3 states of H2o as the 3 persons...

So the Trinity only works when it is at a certain point?

[Ali Imran]

Both Mark and Matthew's Gospels record Jesus quoting the Shema, but Matthew's account differs with extra details....there is no disagreement!

Do you see the Shema in Matthew 22?

[Ali Imran]

We do not need to go into details like the conditions...what I'm showing you is that h2o can co exist in 3 states...

If that can happen, why do you deny that God cannot co exist in 3 persons

I reject the Trinity because no prophet God sent has ever said God is a Trinity.

I know how the Trinity came about. I'm aware of the history of early Christianity.

[Lukongsimi]

I reject the Trinity because no prophet God sent has ever said God is a Trinity.

I know how the Trinity came about. I'm aware of the history of early Christianity.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So believe a Moslem or the Bible ?

[Lukongsimi]

Do you see the Shema in Matthew 22?

The "Shema" is referenced in the Gospel of Matthew when Jesus is asked about the greatest commandment. In Matthew 22:37, Jesus quotes from the Deuteronomy 6:4-5 Shema, stating, "You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind". This declaration serves as the foundation for all other laws and prophets, demonstrating that the Shema's call to love and obey God is central to Jesus's teachings in Matthew

[pinkpanther]

I reject the Trinity because no prophet God sent has ever said God is a Trinity.

I know how the Trinity came about. I'm aware of the history of early Christianity.

Isaiah 48:16

Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God [the Father] and His Spirit [the Holy Spirit] have sent Me [the Son]".

[Lukongsimi]

So the Trinity only works when it is at a certain point?

U are arguing without a substance

[pinkpanther]

Do you see the Shema in Matthew 22?

Yes... 22:37-39

[pinkpanther]

So the Trinity only works when it is at a certain point?

The 3 states of h20 is the closest analogy to the Trinity...it might not represent fully...but you are really childish to be picking external conditions

[Ali Imran]

Yes... 22:37-39

You obviously don't know the Shema. 

No, it is not found in the answer given by Jesus according to Matthew.

[Ali Imran]

Isaiah 48:16

Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God [the Father] and His Spirit [the Holy Spirit] have sent Me [the Son]".

That's not the Trinity. That has nothing to do with the Trinity.

If Isaiah were teaching the Trinity, the Jews would have believed it.

[Ali Imran]

The 3 states of h20 is the closest analogy to the Trinity...it might not represent fully...but you are really childish to be picking external conditions

Ok. So we know the water analogy doesn't help to explain how 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.

[pinkpanther]

You obviously don't know the Shema. 

No, it is not found in the answer given by Jesus according to Matthew.

Matthew is the disciple of Jesus.. Mark is not..the shema is there in his own words

[pinkpanther]

Ok. So we know the water analogy doesn't help to explain how 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.

The water analogy best explain the Trinity. Solid, liquid and vapour is not 1+1+1 =3 ...at the end of the day...they are still one substance call H2o

[Ali Imran]

Matthew is the disciple of Jesus.. Mark is not..the shema is there in his own words

So, we do not know exactly what the answer given by Jesus was. What we have are the words of the author of Matthew, not the words of Jesus.

[Ali Imran]

The water analogy best explain the Trinity. Solid, liquid and vapour is not 1+1+1 =3 ...at the end of the day...they are still one substance call H2o

So you have 1 h2o + 1 h2o + 1 h2o. 

How many h2o do you have?

[pinkpanther]

That's not the Trinity. That has nothing to do with the Trinity.

If Isaiah were teaching the Trinity, the Jews would have believed it.

Isaiah foresee the future...the rest of the prophets know nothing about Jesus. The NT shows you that Jesus is not only a prophet..

when Jesus read the book of Isaiah and told the congregation that he has fulfilled the prophecy.....what did they do to him?

[pinkpanther]

So you have 1 h2o + 1 h2o + 1 h2o. 

How many h2o do you have?

You have 1 h20 existing in 3 states

[Ali Imran]

Isaiah foresee the future...the rest of the prophets know nothing about Jesus. The NT shows you that Jesus is not only a prophet..

when Jesus read the book of Isaiah and told the congregation that he has fulfilled the prophecy.....what did they do to him?

Did the Jews at the time of Isaiah believed God is a Trinity? The answer is no.

Were the Jews told of a prophecy where God would become a man and die for the sins of mankind? The answer is no.

[Ali Imran]

You have 1 h20 existing in 3 states

Is the Father 1 h2o? Or only 1 element of the 3 elements found in h2o?

[pinkpanther]

So, we do not know exactly what the answer given by Jesus was. What we have are the words of the author of Matthew, not the words of Jesus.

Of cos, they are scribes who wrote down what Jesus said...mark compiled his infomation from various sources