Scripture readings for Christmas
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(06-09-2025, 09:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: What we're reading in the Gospels are not the words of Jesus, but the words of the authors of the four books, giving us what they thought Jesus said.
When Jesus speaks, someone needs to record. That is why there are scribes around...do you expect jesus to write his own journal? His words, actions, thoughts are recorded by his disciples!!
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(06-09-2025, 09:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did the Jews at the time of Isaiah believed God is a Trinity? The answer is no.
Were the Jews told of a prophecy where God would become a man and die for the sins of mankind? The answer is no.
The prophet Isaiah foretold the coming of a Suffering Servant who would be wounded for humanity's transgressions, heal through his suffering, and ultimately save people from their sins, a role Christians believe was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Key prophecies include Isaiah 7:14, which describes a virgin birth (Immanuel), and Isaiah 53, which details a Messiah who would bear the people's iniquities, and Isaiah 9:6, which names the coming king as Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 53: The Suffering Servant
- Bearing sin:
"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5-6).
- Purpose:
The major purpose was for Jesus Christ to die as a substitute for the sins of humanity.
- Substitution:
All of humanity's sins were laid upon Jesus, who bore the punishment.
- Death and Resurrection:
The prophecy includes the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, where he would "live again" and see his "offspring".
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 11:06 AM
(06-09-2025, 09:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: What we're reading in the Gospels are not the words of Jesus, but the words of the authors of the four books, giving us what they thought Jesus said.
You are here to preach a different gospel as what Paul said u will be cursed
Galatians 1:8-9,Bible.com, where the Apostle Paul declares that anyone, including himself or even an angel, who preaches a gospel different from the one he delivered to the Galatians should be considered "accursed" or "under God's curse". Paul's strong statement emphasized the seriousness of a distorted message, asserting the divine, non-human origin of the true gospel he preached and the grave danger of following any alternative teaching.
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 11:27 AM
(06-09-2025, 11:00 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: The prophet Isaiah foretold the coming of a Suffering Servant who would be wounded for humanity's transgressions, heal through his suffering, and ultimately save people from their sins, a role Christians believe was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Key prophecies include Isaiah 7:14, which describes a virgin birth (Immanuel), and Isaiah 53, which details a Messiah who would bear the people's iniquities, and Isaiah 9:6, which names the coming king as Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 53: The Suffering Servant
- Bearing sin:
"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5-6).
- Purpose:
The major purpose was for Jesus Christ to die as a substitute for the sins of humanity.
- Substitution:
All of humanity's sins were laid upon Jesus, who bore the punishment.
- Death and Resurrection:
The prophecy includes the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, where he would "live again" and see his "offspring".
Yes lah....our Moslem never read much..

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(06-09-2025, 11:33 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: What did Isaiah teach about the suffering servant to the Israelites?Isaiah taught that the suffering servant would play a pivotal role in God's plan for salvation..
Specifically, in Isaiah 52:13 through 53:12, the prophet describes a figure who would suffer terribly and be despised and rejected by people, yet through his suffering, he would bear the sins and iniquities of others.
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(06-09-2025, 11:46 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Isaiah taught that the suffering servant would play a pivotal role in God's plan for salvation..
Specifically, in Isaiah 52:13 through 53:12, the prophet describes a figure who would suffer terribly and be despised and rejected by people, yet through his suffering, he would bear the sins and iniquities of others.
Yes and the Moslem tot it was their muh?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 11:57 AM
(06-09-2025, 11:33 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: What did Isaiah teach about the suffering servant to the Israelites?
Already posted the answer n yet u ask again
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(06-09-2025, 10:08 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: So you have 1 h2o + 1 h2o + 1 h2o, which was what I said earlier.One Moslem one male and one Ali here equal to one person !
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 12:03 PM
(06-09-2025, 12:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:The songs in Isaiah were praising God![]()
the Moslem thinks the prophecy is about singing songs and welcome Muhammad
If to sing for muh they are worshipping man instead of God
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 12:10 PM
(06-09-2025, 11:46 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Isaiah taught that the suffering servant would play a pivotal role in God's plan for salvation..
Specifically, in Isaiah 52:13 through 53:12, the prophet describes a figure who would suffer terribly and be despised and rejected by people, yet through his suffering, he would bear the sins and iniquities of others.
How come the Israelites at the time of Isaiah didn't know that?
How come the Jews, till today, don't know that and they still reject that notion?
06-09-2025, 12:12 PM
(06-09-2025, 11:48 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Whether it was Aramaic, Greek, latin...everything is in line... Be it whether it was written or spoken...
If it was written and spoken in bahasa then you have a big problem
So we don't know in what language Jesus preached.
If we don't even know in what language Jesus preached, how are we to know today what exactly did Jesus teach? More so today, when there are many different interpretations of what Jesus taught, resulting in numerous denominations.
06-09-2025, 12:13 PM
Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
New International Version
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 12:16 PM
(06-09-2025, 12:12 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So we don't know in what language Jesus preached.Your religion how many denominations?
If we don't even know in what language Jesus preached, how are we to know today what exactly did Jesus teach? More so today, when there are many different interpretations of what Jesus taught, resulting in numerous denominations.
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 12:21 PM
The concept of "73 sects of Islam" comes from a Hadith (saying of the Prophet Muhammad) which states that the Muslim community (Ummah) will split into 73 groups, with only one being saved and destined for Paradise. The other 72 will go to Hell. The saved group is defined as those who follow the path of the Prophet and his companions, which emphasizes adherence to the Quran and Sunnah (teachings and practices of the Prophet). The number 73 is symbolic of "many" or "multitudes," representing a vast number of groups and divisions within Islam that have gone astray from the true path, rather than an exact count.
Key aspects of the 73 sects Hadith:
Origin:
The Hadith is found in several collections of Islamic traditions, including Jami' at-Tirmidhi and others, and is considered authentic by many scholars.
Symbolic meaning:
The number 73 is not meant to be an exact numerical count of sects. Instead, it symbolizes a great multitude of divisions within Islam.
The saved group:
The group that will be saved is identified as the "Jamā'ah" or the community that adheres strictly to the path of the Prophet Muhammad and his companions, living by the principles of the Quran and Sunnah.
Deviant groups:
The 72 groups that are not on the saved path are described as those who have deviated in their religious beliefs and practices, going astray from the true teachings of Islam.
Distinction from differing practices:
The divisions referred to in the Hadith are related to fundamental beliefs and practices that lead a group out of Islam, not minor differences in practices, such as the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence (Madhabs), which are considered part of the Sunnah.
Follow Jesus is the only way lah
Key aspects of the 73 sects Hadith:
Origin:
The Hadith is found in several collections of Islamic traditions, including Jami' at-Tirmidhi and others, and is considered authentic by many scholars.
Symbolic meaning:
The number 73 is not meant to be an exact numerical count of sects. Instead, it symbolizes a great multitude of divisions within Islam.
The saved group:
The group that will be saved is identified as the "Jamā'ah" or the community that adheres strictly to the path of the Prophet Muhammad and his companions, living by the principles of the Quran and Sunnah.
Deviant groups:
The 72 groups that are not on the saved path are described as those who have deviated in their religious beliefs and practices, going astray from the true teachings of Islam.
Distinction from differing practices:
The divisions referred to in the Hadith are related to fundamental beliefs and practices that lead a group out of Islam, not minor differences in practices, such as the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence (Madhabs), which are considered part of the Sunnah.
Follow Jesus is the only way lah
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
06-09-2025, 12:31 PM
06-09-2025, 12:35 PM
(06-09-2025, 12:12 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So we don't know in what language Jesus preached.
If we don't even know in what language Jesus preached, how are we to know today what exactly did Jesus teach? More so today, when there are many different interpretations of what Jesus taught, resulting in numerous denominations.
There is only a few languages Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek that Jesus speak..and it was written in a language that Jesus knew..
That is not an issue....
Denominations are not a problems, they have their own practices just like the sunni and shias..
But the main core teachings of the christian faith remains the same
06-09-2025, 12:39 PM
(06-09-2025, 12:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: How come the Israelites at the time of Isaiah didn't know that?
How come the Jews, till today, don't know that and they still reject that notion?
They are ignorance..they are full of themselves only..
They would spat at the church..that kind of attitude never change since day 1...
But compare this ignorant to the moslems who knew who Muhammad was and what did they do to his family?
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