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(01-05-2024, 02:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Angel?? He couldn't tell if it was an angel because he was so scare he ran home and hid under a blanket! Who said it was angel Gabriel! Who? I want to know who? Quran did not identify that it was angel Gabriel....
In the Bible, Gabriel always identify himself first to his recipient..
In muh case...it was not Gabriel because no where can I find that Gabriel identify himself to muh!
That's why my concern is that another angel who loves music instructed muh to read and he somehow influences muh's life...to love women..to take in more wives...to enjoy wine feel the intoxicating effects...and many negative effects! Well Ali is going to say I spread lies...this is just my assumption only ok...so don take umbrella
I am scare of ghost..but I am not scare of angel!
Mostly teach about how to lust
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(01-05-2024, 02:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Angel?? He couldn't tell if it was an angel because he was so scare he ran home and hid under a blanket! Who said it was angel Gabriel! Who? I want to know who? Quran did not identify that it was angel Gabriel....
In the Bible, Gabriel always identify himself first to his recipient..
In muh case...it was not Gabriel because no where can I find that Gabriel identify himself to muh!
That's why my concern is that another angel who loves music instructed muh to read and he somehow influences muh's life...to love women..to take in more wives...to enjoy wine feel the intoxicating effects...and many negative effects! Well Ali is going to say I spread lies...this is just my assumption only ok...so don take umbrella
I am scare of ghost..but I am not scare of angel!
An angel appeared to a prophet and the people with the prophet at that time fled in fear even though they all could not see the angel. The presence of an angel, even though unseen, caused the men to tremble in fear. The prophet didn't flee but he was very frightened.
The angel came with a message from God for that prophet and the angel didn't identify himself.
You believe that. So why the double standard?
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(01-05-2024, 02:54 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Jesus told his disciples go and preach the gospel and baptize them in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit
Did u follow Jesus and get yourself baptized and believe the trinity ? No?
If u follow Jesus u are a Christian not a Muslim
So which are u Muslim or Christian ?
I already told you. I am not a follower of Jesus so I cannot call myself Christian.
I am just showing you that I am more like a follower of Jesus than you, on that 2 points.
1. Jesus didn't eat pork because God forbids it. I don't eat pork because God forbids it.
2. Jesus worships his God only and I worship his God only too.
I will add on to that list as we go along.
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(01-05-2024, 02:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: People were confused about Jesus. There were rumors going around. The disciples spoke about the rumors and then Jesus asked them, "Who do YOU say that I am?" and Peter answered, "You are the Messiah".
I will now use that as a counter-argument to your claim that Jesus is God in the flesh. When Peter said Jesus is the Messiah, that means Peter is not saying Jesus is God in the flesh because, in Peter's paradigm, the Messiah is not God or God in the flesh.
Don be confuse my friend! I sayang you OK!
Let's all agree that he led a life free from sins! Humans sin...who doesn't sin? God does not! This we can agree tiok boh!
Because he doesn't sin ...his divine nature made him fit for the work of Redeemer...His human body allowed him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt...this we can agree tiok boh... No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world
If Jesus was merely a good man as you may claim, then he must had a sin nature and thus deem not perfect. ....can I see you agree with me again!...OK good! In that case, his death and resurrection would have no power to save anyone...correct?
Because Jesus was God in the flesh, he alone could pay the debt we owed to God..... His victory over death and the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him....cmon Ali...repeat after me..In Jesus name we pray...Amen!
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(01-05-2024, 03:07 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I already told you. I am not a follower of Jesus so I cannot call myself Christian.
I am just showing you that I am more like a follower of Jesus than you, on that 2 points.
1. Jesus didn't eat pork because God forbids it. I don't eat pork because God forbids it.
2. Jesus worships his God only and I worship his God only too.
I will add on to that list as we go along.
U pray to which god? Who is your god ?
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(01-05-2024, 03:10 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Don be confuse my friend! I sayang you OK!
Let's all agree that he led a life free from sins! Humans sin...who doesn't sin? God does not! This we can agree tiok boh!
Because he doesn't sin ...his divine nature made him fit for the work of Redeemer...His human body allowed him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt...this we can agree tiok boh... No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world
If Jesus was merely a good man as you may claim, then he must had a sin nature and thus deem not perfect. ....can I see you agree with me again!...OK good! In that case, his death and resurrection would have no power to save anyone...correct?
Because Jesus was God in the flesh, he alone could pay the debt we owed to God..... His victory over death and the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him....cmon Ali...repeat after me..In Jesus name we pray...Amen!
I didn't say I am confused. I was talking about what event in that small town over 2,000 years ago, based on the records in the book or Mark, or Matthew. The people there were confused about who is Jesus.
Now, I will address your appeal to me and I thank you for that because it must come from the goodness in your heart. So there you are, you do have some goodness in your heart.
God said in the Bible that if we repent and ask for his forgiveness, he will forgive us and ERASE all our sins. Simple and easy to understand. He has been doing that for thousands of years. Suddenly, the picture changes to something different. God can no longer forgive our sins. He must now come down in the flesh, stripped almost naked for all to see, spat at, flogged, tortured, and then killed as an accursed, just to forgive us our sins and I only need to believe that to get admitted into Paradise.
You want me to believe that?
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(01-05-2024, 03:15 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: U pray to which god? Who is your god ?
My God is the God of Jesus. It is that easy because there is only 1 God.
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(01-05-2024, 03:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I didn't say I am confused. I was talking about what event in that small town over 2,000 years ago, based on the records in the book or Mark, or Matthew. The people there were confused about who is Jesus.
Now, I will address your appeal to me and I thank you for that because it must come from the goodness in your heart. So there you are, you do have some goodness in your heart. ![Smile Smile](https://sgtalk.net/images/smilies/smile.png)
God said in the Bible that if we repent and ask for his forgiveness, he will forgive us and ERASE all our sins. Simple and easy to understand. He has been doing that for thousands of years. Suddenly, the picture changes to something different. God can no longer forgive our sins. He must now come down in the flesh, stripped almost naked for all to see, spat at, flogged, tortured, and then killed as an accursed, just to forgive us our sins and I only need to believe that to get admitted into Paradise.
You want me to believe that?
Your eyes are
blind ears deaf n heart harden that is why ..
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(01-05-2024, 03:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I didn't say I am confused. I was talking about what event in that small town over 2,000 years ago, based on the records in the book or Mark, or Matthew. The people there were confused about who is Jesus.
Now, I will address your appeal to me and I thank you for that because it must come from the goodness in your heart. So there you are, you do have some goodness in your heart. ![Smile Smile](https://sgtalk.net/images/smilies/smile.png)
God said in the Bible that if we repent and ask for his forgiveness, he will forgive us and ERASE all our sins. Simple and easy to understand. He has been doing that for thousands of years. Suddenly, the picture changes to something different. God can no longer forgive our sins. He must now come down in the flesh, stripped almost naked for all to see, spat at, flogged, tortured, and then killed as an accursed, just to forgive us our sins and I only need to believe that to get admitted into Paradise.
You want me to believe that?
Haiya....
In the ÒT...if you ask for forgiveness of sin..you must use animal as offering tiok boh
So Jesus solved the gap between man and God caused by sins!
God humbled himself...come down in human flesh and experience sufferings...What's wrong! He can do whatever he wants and who are we to question why, what and how ah? Must he reveal everything to you? Go toilet also must ask his disciples to write down in details?
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(01-05-2024, 04:05 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Your eyes are
blind ears deaf n heart harden that is why ..
His heart...if you use the chain saw....the chain saw will be broken!
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(01-05-2024, 04:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Haiya....
In the ÒT...if you ask for forgiveness of sin..you must use animal as offering tiok boh
So Jesus solved the gap between man and God caused by sins!
God humbled himself...come down in human flesh and experience sufferings...What's wrong! He can do whatever he wants and who are we to question why, what and how ah? Must he reveal everything to you? Go toilet also must ask his disciples to write down in details?
He won’t believe if he didn’t see any 72 virgins included in the scripture
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