[pinkpanther]

Oh I forgot I'm talking to a Christian who no longer follows what Jesus said.

Ya ya ya...where is the proofs?

[Ali Imran]

Ya ya ya...where is the proofs?

What proof do you want? You're the one who said Christian women can seek divorce in the case of an abusive husband, which is against the law given by Jesus in Matthew 19.

[pinkpanther]

What proof do you want? You're the one who said Christian women can seek divorce in the case of an abusive husband, which is against the law given by Jesus in Matthew 19.

In modern times...they are given their rights to seek divorce! Women are independent and much learned! They were submissive back in the old days because there is hardly anything they can do besides cooking, cleaning and taking care of the family. There is only so much a woman can do

Now if I show them the verse and say.." see I own you, it is written in the book"
They will shove that middle finger up your arse....it is the harsh reality of life 
Times have changed my friend...

Why do we have to talk abt this again and again Ali...

[Ali Imran]

In modern times...they are given their rights to seek divorce! Women are independent and much learned! They were submissive back in the old days because there is hardly anything they can do besides cooking, cleaning and taking care of the family. There is only so much a woman can do

Now if I show them the verse and say.." see I own you, it is written in the book"
They will shove that middle finger up your arse....it is the harsh reality of life 
Times have changed my friend...

Why do we have to talk abt this again and again Ali...

So throw away the book because it is outdated and use the new one from AWARE?

Is that your religion?

[pinkpanther]

So throw away the book because it is outdated and use the new one from AWARE?

Is that your religion?

 
let's just keep it to the 10 commandments!
Any laws that are more than thousands of years old needs to be review lah!
We can't just follow blindly tiok boh? You don stone a lady who commits adultery tiok boh...you let the man made laws take care of matters tiok boh

[Lukongsimi]

Really? Where can I get a sucker?
You can find milk from the breast of women who were not pregnant!

Wa treat woman as cow?

[cheekopekman]

Oh I forgot I'm talking to a Christian who no longer follows what Jesus said.

Ali, my friend, how can a Christian not follow what Jesus said leh?  So he is either a non-Christian like you or a false Christian lah!

[Ali Imran]

 
let's just keep it to the 10 commandments!
Any laws that are more than thousands of years old needs to be review lah!
We can't just follow blindly tiok boh? You don stone a lady who commits adultery tiok boh...you let the man made laws take care of matters tiok boh

The 10 commandments only? Even that you don't keep. Number 4 said to keep the Sabbath. You've discarded that already. And you've discarded hundreds of other laws found in the Bible. That means, your Bible is now irrelevant. 

Do you agree with that?

[pinkpanther]

The 10 commandments only? Even that you don't keep. Number 4 said to keep the Sabbath. You've discarded that already. And you've discarded hundreds of other laws found in the Bible. That means, your Bible is now irrelevant. 

Do you agree with that?

I have kept my sabbath holy by attending sabbath services ok....sometimes I might miss a few but that's besides the point...

I did not say the laws need to be discarded because it is the original laws...I only say it needs to be reviewed in this time and age...Don anyhow put words in my mouth!

[pinkpanther]

Wa treat woman as cow?

I bet Ali's friend will ask him to suckle the wife's breast as a form of bonding...
He will do so because that is the law passed down by muh thru God!

[Ali Imran]

Ali, my friend, how can a Christian not follow what Jesus said leh?  So he is either a non-Christian like you or a false Christian lah!

PinkPanther wants the golden ticket just in case hell is true.

[Ali Imran]

I have kept my sabbath holy by attending sabbath services ok....sometimes I might miss a few but that's besides the point...

I did not say the laws need to be discarded because it is the original laws...I only say it needs to be reviewed in this time and age...Don anyhow put words in my mouth!

Ok.

So Jesus's teachings in the NT must be reviewed by modern men and women. Is that right?

[Oyk]

Yes, Paul wrote that. Why did he say that? 

That is the question you should ask.

I watched a video about Muhammad and the Quran. I have some points to write but since this is Singapore, I cannot put it in writing here..The government will not allow it though you'd been allowed to mock Christianity.

[pinkpanther]

as much as I like to stone a woman who commits adultery..it is still against the law...I cannot win in court if I tell the jury that my book says so right!!

So Ali..pls don play the double headed snake.!..the fact is we try to apply the God's laws and man made laws to the best that we can achieve in our daily lives

[Ali Imran]

I watched a video about Muhammad and the Quran. I have some points to write but since this is Singapore, I cannot put it in writing here..The government will not allow it though you'd been allowed to mock Christianity.

Video from Muslim scholars? Or from anti-Islam YouTubers who want to stop the Christians from embracing Islam so they spread lies about our faith.

[pinkpanther]

Ok.

So Jesus's teachings in the NT must be reviewed by modern men and women. Is that right?

Which ones?

[Ali Imran]

as much as I like to stone a woman who commits adultery..it is still against the law...I cannot win in court if I tell the jury that my book says so right!!

So Ali..pls don play the double headed snake.!..the fact is we try to apply the God's laws and man made laws to the best that we can achieve in our daily lives

I don't like to stone anybody. 

In the Bible, there is a law where the rape victim must marry the rapist and they cannot divorce. I agree such a law cannot be practiced in modern times. 

So, doesn't that make the Bible irrelevant? Or at the very least, inadequate?

[Ali Imran]

Which ones?

The cannot divorce law, the one we were discussing a while ago. There are others too, like the child must be put to death if they kurang ajar to the parents.

[pinkpanther]

Video from Muslim scholars? Or from anti-Islam YouTubers who want to stop the Christians from embracing Islam so they spread lies about our faith.

So you only like to hear the good stuff lah...you are not open for discussion?

[Ali Imran]

So you only like to hear the good stuff lah...you are not open for discussion?

No, that's not it.

I want to know where is he getting his info about Islam.

[pinkpanther]

The cannot divorce law, the one we were discussing a while ago. There are others too, like the child must be put to death if they kurang ajar to the parents.

I am sure the divorce law can be reviewed....it is up for debate 
If the husband is Christian and the wife is Buddhist...then the verse holds no weight

Child is still a child...can you suka suka put the child to death??

[pinkpanther]

I don't like to stone anybody. 

In the Bible, there is a law where the rape victim must marry the rapist and they cannot divorce. I agree such a law cannot be practiced in modern times. 

So, doesn't that make the Bible irrelevant? Or at the very least, inadequate?

In muh time...it is OK to keep slaves...it is OK to engage sexual Acts with female captives...does that make the quran irrelevant?

Can you keep this law in modern times?

[Ali Imran]

Child is still a child...can you suka suka put the child to death??

It's in the Bible. And Jesus quoted it too in Mark 7.

It's not me who suka suka brought that law.

[Ali Imran]

In muh time...it is OK to keep slaves...it is OK to engage sexual Acts with female captives...does that make the quran irrelevant?

Can you keep this law in modern times?

Even today, if you have a female captive, you can marry her and have sex with her. But of course, this is modern times and we cannot imagine a scenario where you can get a female captive to marry you. 

Still relevant.

[Ali Imran]

I am sure the divorce law can be reviewed....it is up for debate 
If the husband is Christian and the wife is Buddhist...then the verse holds no weight

That means the law given by Jesus is up for debate, can be reviewed.

Is that right?

[Ali Imran]

I watched a video about Muhammad and the Quran. I have some points to write but since this is Singapore, I cannot put it in writing here..The government will not allow it though you'd been allowed to mock Christianity.

Btw, if you want to know more about our prophet or the Quran, please ask. I'm happy to have a civil discussion with you. 

I don't mock Christianity. I am critical of your faith, respectfully.

[pinkpanther]

Even today, if you have a female captive, you can marry her and have sex with her. But of course, this is modern times and we cannot imagine a scenario where you can get a female captive to marry you. 

Still relevant.

Why in the first place would a female captive be willing to married her captor? It does not make sense unless it is by force!

This is a sickening act...in ww2..the Japanese would rape all the female captives..... they don sell them any hopes of marriage my friend...
Same as the Americans who invaded vietnam...sell the natives ladies hope of marriage...then run away when the country recalled every soldiers back!

[Ali Imran]

Why in the first place would a female captive be willing to married her captor? It does not make sense unless it is by force!

In the ancient days, when tribes went to war, they killed the men. What do you think will happen to the women of the losing tribe? They have no where to go and no means of survival.

[pinkpanther]

That means the law given by Jesus is up for debate, can be reviewed.

Is that right?

We don change what is written in the bible ....at that time his laws are relevant because women hold no status...

It is only up for a debate

[pinkpanther]

In the ancient days, when tribes went to war, they killed the men. What do you think will happen to the women of the losing tribe? They have no where to go and no means of survival.

Not now my friend...if a female captive surrenders...you don force yourself on her.
EitherYou hand her to authorities or you let her go...if she is just a civilian!...Allah does not teach you to do these kind of Acts anymore..

Or you can still do it according to the quran?
That's why I reject the quran and the moslem way of life.
Even muh can take his adopted son's wife as his own...what more can I say?