Sunday littering Somme Rd park
#31

(25-11-2024, 12:01 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You should write in to NEA to send in more reinforcement during the weekends!

Good ..... Good, I think some sure kanna from...?.
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#32

(25-11-2024, 12:19 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  NEA will say it's NPark problem lah! Big Grin

Good...Good!. Effect should be fine & fierce. Big Grin
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#33

nothings wrong with few pieces of trash here and there

this is uniquely singapoo by the way

a bogus 1st world infested with 3rd world refugees

why get upset over what you cant control in this filthland?
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#34

Sunday . .. Old Chang Kee . . .

FWs having picnic there and left all the litter behind

Cannot use CCTV to catch and fine them $1,000 each?

So big already so cannot learn.

Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers? 
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(26-11-2024, 12:14 PM)Ola Wrote:  Sunday . .. Old Chang Kee . . .

FWs having picnic there and left all the litter behind

Cannot use CCTV to catch and fine them $1,000 each?

So big already so cannot learn.

CCTV is a good idea lah! Big Grin 1 picture tells 1000 words lah!
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#36

(26-11-2024, 12:14 PM)Ola Wrote:  Sunday . .. Old Chang Kee . . .

FWs having picnic there and left all the litter behind

Cannot use CCTV to catch and fine them $1,000 each?

So big already so cannot learn.

I think is not in thousand, if ii is first time kanna fine... Tongue
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#37

(26-11-2024, 12:44 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  I think is not in thousand, if ii is first time kanna fine... Tongue

I think is about 300/-, this is old time many year ago.... Big Grin
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#38

(26-11-2024, 12:46 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  I think is about 300/-, this is old time many year ago.... Big Grin

Kee Keh liao lah! Big Grin ALL prices up liao!
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(26-11-2024, 12:58 PM)Blin Wrote:  [Image: 20241126-071757.jpg]

That's what I mean by mindset lah! Big Grin
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#41

(25-11-2024, 08:45 PM)Wy:Nox Wrote:  It is good to train us to dispose rubbish when we see a bin. However, the Govt has not been making the right attempts to inculcate this behaviour in the last several years. They are just too incapable in enforcing when this population is made up of many foreigners or parents are foreigners.

very true
they consider this a small matter when chasing money

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#42

My friends and I had a discussion and concluded

The LOWER the SES, the more impossible it is to Change bad Habits 

like littering, riding PMAs, refusing to keep to their left when walking . . . . 

The only way is to catch and fine them HARD.

Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers? 
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#43

Not easy to change their habits. 眼不见为净 that’s to move away from the problems if the problems cannot be removed
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#44

(26-11-2024, 03:13 PM)Ola Wrote:  My friends and I had a discussion and concluded

The LOWER the SES, the more impossible it is to Change bad Habits 

like littering, riding PMAs, refusing to keep to their left when walking . . . . 

The only way is to catch and fine them HARD.

You think they scared meh? Thinking Got guts put horse over here 有种放马过来 lah! Big Grin haha...
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#45

(26-11-2024, 03:17 PM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote:  Not easy to change their habits. 眼不见为净 that’s to move away from the problems if the problems cannot be removed

Problem still there lah! Big Grin
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(26-11-2024, 03:46 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Problem still there lah! Big Grin

Wait for one stormy and windy night...the next day..rubbish all swee swee in the longkang already Big Grin
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#47

(26-11-2024, 03:13 PM)Ola Wrote:  My friends and I had a discussion and concluded

The LOWER the SES, the more impossible it is to Change bad Habits 

like littering, riding PMAs, refusing to keep to their left when walking . . . . 

The only way is to catch and fine them HARD.

Death sentence can work?


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#48

(26-11-2024, 03:46 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Problem still there lah! Big Grin

山不转路转,路不转人转

If the problem too difficult just skip lah
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#49

(26-11-2024, 04:02 PM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote:  山不转路转,路不转人转

If the problem too difficult just skip lah

You can live with the problem if you don't mind lah! Big Grin Just like you live with COVID mah! It's still there lah!
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#50

(26-11-2024, 03:46 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Problem still there lah! Big Grin

If the mountain will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad will go to the mountain..
Someone will have to solve the problem.. Big Grin
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#51

(26-11-2024, 04:04 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  You can live with the problem if you don't mind lah! Big Grin Just like you live with COVID mah! It's still there lah!

There are 3 options: ignore, solve or run away. It’s yr choice lah
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#52

(26-11-2024, 04:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If the mountain will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad will go to the mountain..
Someone will have to solve the problem.. Big Grin

Leave the mountain alone lah! Big Grin Why bother about it leh? Thinking
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#53

(26-11-2024, 04:09 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Leave the mountain alone lah! Big Grin Why bother about it leh? Thinking

Yes.. so leave the rubbish alone  Big Grin
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(26-11-2024, 03:13 PM)Ola Wrote:  My friends and I had a discussion and concluded

The LOWER the SES, the more impossible it is to Change bad Habits 

like littering, riding PMAs, refusing to keep to their left when walking . . . . 

The only way is to catch and fine them HARD.
From what ive seen and experienced , seems to be true

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(26-11-2024, 04:25 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes.. so leave the rubbish alone  Big Grin


Leave the litter alone at your peril. Doing just that landed me in the soup many moons ago. On a lazy Wednesday afternoon, my student girlfriend and I were strolling on a walkway hand in hand at East Coast Park. We came upon a park bench shortly afterwards and decided to pause for rest. Two empty drink cans were lying on the middle of the bench and I shifted them aside to make way for us to sit. As I sat down I caught a glimpse of two men chatting under a tree a short distance away. They were behind us looking in our direction.

After chatting with my galfriend on my arm for almost an hour, we stood up to resume our walk by the beach. We had walked a few steps when a male voice calling over to us stopped us in our tracks. We turned around and faced two Malay men, one attired in the distinctive NPark uniform and the other wore civilian clothes. The park ranger told me in no uncertain terms that he was going to ticket me for littering by leaving the two empty cans behind. Dust bins in East Coast Park were ubiquitous.

Despite our insistence that those cans weren't ours and they were already on the bench when we arrived, he refused to budge. I handed him my IC for him to jot down my particulars. I got a ticket for littering. My parting words to him were, "I'll see you in court." "By all means" he retorted.

I knew litterers were subject to a fine. I could have just paid up the composition fine to avoid going through the rigmarole of attending court. But no, I was going to indignantly deny the accusation of littering even if I had to go on trial. In the process I hoped to expose the deplorable behaviour of the rogue public servants who falsely accused me of littering. With my girlfriend as my truthful witness, I was quietly confident that justice would prevail.
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(27-11-2024, 12:07 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  Leave the litter alone at your peril. Doing just that landed me in the soup many moons ago. On a lazy Wednesday afternoon, my student girlfriend and I were strolling on a walkway hand in hand at East Coast Park. We came upon a park bench shortly afterwards and decided to pause for rest. Two empty drink cans were lying on the middle of the bench and I shifted them aside to make way for us to sit. As I sat down I caught a glimpse of two men chatting under a tree a short distance away. They were behind us looking in our direction.

After chatting with my galfriend on my arm for almost an hour, we stood up to resume our walk by the beach. We had walked a few steps when a male voice calling over to us stopped us in our tracks. We turned around and faced two Malay men, one attired in the distinctive NPark uniform and the other wore civilian clothes. The park ranger told me in no uncertain terms that he was going to ticket me for littering by leaving the two empty cans behind. Dust bins in East Coast Park were ubiquitous.

Despite our insistence that those cans weren't ours and they were already on the bench when we arrived, he refused to budge. I handed him my IC for him to jot down my particulars. I got a ticket for littering. My parting words to him were, "I'll see you in court." "By all means" he retorted.

I knew litterers were subject to a fine. I could have just paid up the composition fine to avoid going through the rigmarole of attending court. But no, I was going to indignantly deny the accusation of littering even if I had to go on trial. In the process I hoped to expose the deplorable behaviour of the rogue public servants who falsely accused me of littering. With my girlfriend as my truthful witness, I was quietly confident that justice would prevail.

I enjoy reading your contents. Including your girlfriend in your narrative definitely attracts the interest of curious male readers.... Big Grin . It brings to mind my own experience from secondary school when I took a stroll along East Coast Park one afternoon with my girlfriend at the time... Big Grin Fond memories!! By the way, did you end up marrying her?

 So did you manage to avoid any trouble since your girlfriend is your alibi? Ideally, the best course of action would be to contact the police immediately after the malay guy issued you the ticket....then make the police secure and cordon the area, and collect fingerprints from the cans...this will prove your innocence  Big Grin
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(27-11-2024, 12:07 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  Leave the litter alone at your peril. Doing just that landed me in the soup many moons ago. On a lazy Wednesday afternoon, my student girlfriend and I were strolling on a walkway hand in hand at East Coast Park. We came upon a park bench shortly afterwards and decided to pause for rest. Two empty drink cans were lying on the middle of the bench and I shifted them aside to make way for us to sit. As I sat down I caught a glimpse of two men chatting under a tree a short distance away. They were behind us looking in our direction.

After chatting with my galfriend on my arm for almost an hour, we stood up to resume our walk by the beach. We had walked a few steps when a male voice calling over to us stopped us in our tracks. We turned around and faced two Malay men, one attired in the distinctive NPark uniform and the other wore civilian clothes. The park ranger told me in no uncertain terms that he was going to ticket me for littering by leaving the two empty cans behind. Dust bins in East Coast Park were ubiquitous.

Despite our insistence that those cans weren't ours and they were already on the bench when we arrived, he refused to budge. I handed him my IC for him to jot down my particulars. I got a ticket for littering. My parting words to him were, "I'll see you in court." "By all means" he retorted.

I knew litterers were subject to a fine. I could have just paid up the composition fine to avoid going through the rigmarole of attending court. But no, I was going to indignantly deny the accusation of littering even if I had to go on trial. In the process I hoped to expose the deplorable behaviour of the rogue public servants who falsely accused me of littering. With my girlfriend as my truthful witness, I was quietly confident that justice would prevail.
so how did the story end?

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(27-11-2024, 08:32 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I enjoy reading your contents. Including your girlfriend in your narrative definitely attracts the interest of curious male readers.... Big Grin . It brings to mind my own experience from secondary school when I took a stroll along East Coast Park one afternoon with my girlfriend at the time... Big Grin Fond memories!! By the way, did you end up marrying her?

 So did you manage to avoid any trouble since your girlfriend is your alibi? Ideally, the best course of action would be to contact the police immediately after the malay guy issued you the ticket....then make the police secure and cordon the area, and collect fingerprints from the cans...this will prove your innocence  Big Grin


I had 2 options - 1) just pay the bloody fine and my problem would be solved. That would amount to an admission of guilt, though. I was ill-disposed to the idea as that went against my conscience. 2) reject the accusation of littering, in which case I would have to fight it out in court to prove my innocence.

As a young punk who had just came of age, I wasn't cowed by the thought of having to defend myself in a magistrate's court; in fact, I relished the prospect of my first court battle.

My girlfriend who was a student of Hwa Chong JC accompanied me to the court house on the day of mention. Standing before the judge, I entered a plea of not guilty. I was then given another date to return and face trial for the littering charge. I represented myself at the trial. I figured I didn't need to hire a lawyer to defend me over such a minor littering infraction. All I needed to do to prove I was guiltless was to speak "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."

At the trial, the NParks rangers were nowhere in sight. The public prosecutor fired the opening salvo of the trial by accusing me of bringing the 2 cans of drinks to the park and, after emptying the cans, left them on the bench and walked away. Much to his chagrin, I kept denying the allegations he made against me.

In an unusual twist, we engaged in a brief legalistic hairsplitting. The prosecutor said I initially used the word "lifted" to describe my act of moving the 2 cans to the edge of the bench. In another instance, I used another term "shifted." The two different terms I used in my testimony, he alleged, lacked consistency. Hence, the story I told about my moving the cans to the edge of the bench was just invention. As such, my truthfulness was in question, he alleged.

In reply, I said that "lifted" and "shifted" amount to the same thing, and that the precise definition of words wasn't a key component in my testimony and therefore wasn't that important.

My girlfriend then took the witness stand and swore under oath to speak the truth. She too kept denying the prosecutor's allegation that I had brought the 2 cans along. Strangely enough, the prosecutor turned his attention to her, alleging that she took out the 2 cans from her tote bag and pass one to me to drink. He also said the park rangers saw her sipping on the can of drink.

This was probably the turning point in the trial. Not only had the fickle-minded prosecution not proven its case, there wasn't a scrap of evidence in its favor. Also, there were contradictions in its evidence/testimony. My girlfriend replied angrily, "Your Honor, this man is lying. I never brought the 2 cans to the park, neither did my boyfriend. And I never took a sip of the drink as this guy alleges. The whole thing is a complete lie. I'm telling the truth in the court of justice."

Her angry outburst was met with stunned silence in the court room. Well, she'd administered the coup de grace to the prosecution's endeavor to nail me. After a quick deliberation, the jury reached a "NOT guilty" verdict.

PS: the story of our relationship is a topic for another day.
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(28-11-2024, 02:31 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  I had 2 options - 1) just pay the bloody fine and my problem would be solved. That would amount to an admission of guilt, though. I was ill-disposed to the idea as that went against my conscience. 2) reject the accusation of littering, in which case I would have to fight it out in court to prove my innocence.

As a young punk who had just came of age, I wasn't cowed by the thought of having to defend myself in a magistrate's court; in fact, I relished the prospect of my first court battle.

My girlfriend who was a student of Hwa Chong JC accompanied me to the court house on the day of mention. Standing before the judge, I entered a plea of not guilty. I was then given another date to return and face trial for the littering charge. I represented myself at the trial. I figured I didn't need to hire a lawyer to defend me over such a minor littering infraction. All I needed to do to prove I was guiltless was to speak "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."

At the trial, the NParks rangers were nowhere in sight. The public prosecutor fired the opening salvo of the trial by accusing me of bringing the 2 cans of drinks to the park and, after emptying the cans, left them on the bench and walked away. Much to his chagrin, I kept denying the allegations he made against me.

In an unusual twist, we engaged in a brief legalistic hairsplitting. The prosecutor said I initially used the word "lifted" to describe my act of moving the 2 cans to the edge of the bench. In another instance, I used another term "shifted." The two different terms I used in my testimony, he alleged, lacked consistency. Hence, the story I told about my moving the cans to the edge of the bench was just invention. As such, my truthfulness was in question, he alleged.

In reply, I said that "lifted" and "shifted" amount to the same thing, and that the precise definition of words wasn't a key component in my testimony and therefore wasn't that important.

My girlfriend then took the witness stand and swore under oath to speak the truth. She too kept denying the prosecutor's allegation that I had brought the 2 cans along. Strangely enough, the prosecutor turned his attention to her, alleging that she took out the 2 cans from her tote bag and pass one to me to drink. He also said the park rangers saw her sipping on the can of drink.

This was probably the turning point in the trial. Not only had the fickle-minded prosecution not proven its case, there wasn't a scrap of evidence in its favor. Also, there were contradictions in its evidence/testimony. My girlfriend replied angrily, "Your Honor, this man is lying. I never brought the 2 cans to the park, neither did my boyfriend. And I never took a sip of the drink as this guy alleges. The whole thing is a complete lie. I'm telling the truth in the court of justice."

Her angry outburst was met with stunned silence in the court room. Well, she'd administered the coup de grace to the prosecution's endeavor to nail me. After a quick deliberation, the jury reached a "NOT guilty" verdict.

PS: the story of our relationship is a topic for another day.

When the prosecutor reviews the case file, he realizes it's a trivial issue...at most, he might manage to impose a mere $300 fine if he wins the case.... However, he’s aware that there’s no honor in winning a case against a teenager who has a witness Big Grin it is a waste of public resources and time! Big Grin

. He knows he lacks the solid evidence needed to make you plead guilty. The burden of proof lies with the prosecutor to demonstrate that you committed littering, but he has nothing to support his claims except for the testimony of the NEA ocifer ....

At least there is an effort on the part of the prosecutor to spin lies and twist words to create a false paradigm that could cast blame on you.... You’re fortunate that your girlfriend is brave enough to stand up for you....not many people have the courage to call the prosecutor a liar.  Big Grin It could do you more harm with that remark..

 This trivial matter shouldn’t even reach the courtroom whereby a simple letter should suffice to resolve it..... Just imagine the anxiety of waiting months for a proper notice to pay the fine, followed by further delays in court proceedings. The entire situation is exhausting and adds unnecessary stress.

 Yet, you possess the guts to face it, and deep down, you know the prosecutor's case is weak due to the absence of any evidences.... It’s like asking a Muslim to prove that Jesus is a Muslim and they cannot show you strong proofs! Big Grin I love having a go at them.. Big Grin

So how did you feel when you take the stand with so many eyes starring at you? How long was the ordeal? I'm sure they cut it short to save money and time.. Big Grin Did your parents ask you to just pay the fines and rest the case?

Did your lady ultimately stand up for you or for someone else? Smile
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singapore court got juries?

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