Good or bad, right or wrong, TKL wanna do all.
If he becomes president, we all gonna fall.
(22-08-2023, 09:35 AM)moonrab Wrote: Not puppet but only with custodial roles.
Want political power, go fight in GE. Straight forward case.
(22-08-2023, 09:43 AM)Sentinel Wrote: On behalf of TKL, I say "Thank you but no thanks!"
He knows what he is doing. He got the role of the President spot on and the public mostly agrees with him, that is most impt
Common sense tell you that the President represents the nation and the nation are its people.
Full stop
(22-08-2023, 09:50 AM)moonrab Wrote: Our President is the head of the state.
But our PM is the Leader of our Government. That governs the nation and her people.
TKL should aim to be our PM if he wanted to governs Singapore. Wrong target 😑.
(22-08-2023, 09:58 AM)Sentinel Wrote: On what basis and ground that you say TKL wants to govern Sinkiepoor?
You are purposely and deliberately refusing to listen clearly his message, just like Bigiron
He did not say nor give empty promises
Why are you guys having this hallucination??
I think it is deliberate to smear his credibility
Ok, so listen here clearly -----> TKL says when he is elected, he will serve as a direct conduit to the Ministers and PM during their weekly or bi-weekly meetups and carry his suggestions from the general public, having gone through his study and analysis and possible solution, and let the cabinet knows and they will listen to him as he is the PRESIDENT!
Even the auntie and that provision shop boss know what TKL is saying and IAM uncomfortably surprised that someone like you who can write proper Egnlsih, doesn't have good listening ears!
Enuff said!
(22-08-2023, 10:37 AM)moonrab Wrote: No, not enough said inorder to smokes the screen for Singaporean voters. Uncles and Aunties.i agree on this and his supporter will vote for due SDP and PV stiring emotion AMONG THE PEOPEL
We are not so gullible as you wishes to imagine.
Tan Kim Lian is deliberately "Over Selling" the Roles of Singapore President to the public.
Which need to be arrested for commoners to know what he can and cannot do as a President.
And his giving empty promises to voters.
"TKL added that he would use the office to "find alternative solutions to bring down the cost of living, ensure affordable housing for all, and secure stable jobs with a path to progress"
Even shortening NS conscription to 1 year.
These actions directly involved with the governance of Singapore, policies debated and voted in past Parliamentary sessions.
TAN'S SUGGESTIONS NOT IN LINE WITH PRESIDENT'S ROLE : ANALYSTS
Speaking to TODAY, political analysts said that many of Mr Tan's claims on what he could do should he be elected are incongruent with the President's powers under the Constitution.
On Mr Tan's claims that he can leverage the President's powers to find solutions to issues such as cost of living, affordable housing and job security, Dr Felix Tan, a political analyst at the Nanyang Technological University (NTU), said that the elected President in fact has no such powers.
"The President doesn’t have that sort of purview over changing of policy for two reasons: Firstly, policies are made at the parliamentary or government level, and not at the presidential level.
"Secondly, as the president he is also constrained by the (Council of Presidential Advisers), so (the exercising of his powers) has to be made in consultation with the advisers," said Dr Tan.
"He can't change policies as that is not the purview of responsibility of the President."
As for whether he can influence ministers in their decision-making processes, Dr Tan added that this is also highly unlikely.
Said Dr Tan: "He can probably... speak to individual ministers, to (try to) change policy, (but) the ministers listen to the Prime Minister and also to the party leadership."
Agreeing, Singapore Management University Associate Professor of Law Eugene Tan said that ministers have no obligation to listen to an elected President and put his suggestions into action, because the President does not have the duty nor the power to influence the elected Government in its decision making processes.
Instead, the President's two main roles are to protect the integrity of the public sector, and also the country's past reserves.
Assoc Prof Tan also disagreed with Mr Tan's claim that he can use his limited veto powers to "ensure that government policies align with my vision and goals".
"The presidency cannot be said to have any particular vision or goals, because he cannot implement policy, he cannot change laws, he cannot introduce laws, so there cannot be any vision," said Assoc Prof Tan.
He added that Mr Tan's apparent lack of understanding of what the role of the presidency entails can suggest one of two things.
"It either conveys an ignorance of the president's role, duty and power, or it is a deliberate misrepresentation of what the president can do," he said.
"For someone who is perhaps thinking of making a second bid for the presidency, I take the view that Mr Tan must do better in terms of stating what he plans to do if he is elected."
Dr Gillian Koh, a senior research fellow at the Institute of Policy Studies, said that Mr Tan's claims can have negative consequences if voters are misled by them.
"The public should also itself be aware of the power of the elected presidency and its limits, otherwise, the candidates could oversell the role, and voters will be making their choice on the wrong basis," she said.
"They will be applying the wrong criteria in making this choice, which is nonetheless very important."
She added that more importantly, presidential candidates should "refrain from overselling their role" in the first place.
(22-08-2023, 10:37 AM)moonrab Wrote: No, not enough said inorder to smokes the screen for Singaporean voters. Uncles and Aunties.
We are not so gullible as you wishes to imagine.
Tan Kim Lian is deliberately "Over Selling" the Roles of Singapore President to the public.
Which need to be arrested for commoners to know what he can and cannot do as a President.
And his giving empty promises to voters.
"TKL added that he would use the office to "find alternative solutions to bring down the cost of living, ensure affordable housing for all, and secure stable jobs with a path to progress"
Even shortening NS conscription to 1 year.
These actions directly involved with the governance of Singapore, policies debated and voted in past Parliamentary sessions.
TAN'S SUGGESTIONS NOT IN LINE WITH PRESIDENT'S ROLE : ANALYSTS
Speaking to TODAY, political analysts said that many of Mr Tan's claims on what he could do should he be elected are incongruent with the President's powers under the Constitution.
On Mr Tan's claims that he can leverage the President's powers to find solutions to issues such as cost of living, affordable housing and job security, Dr Felix Tan, a political analyst at the Nanyang Technological University (NTU), said that the elected President in fact has no such powers.
"The President doesn’t have that sort of purview over changing of policy for two reasons: Firstly, policies are made at the parliamentary or government level, and not at the presidential level.
"Secondly, as the president he is also constrained by the (Council of Presidential Advisers), so (the exercising of his powers) has to be made in consultation with the advisers," said Dr Tan.
"He can't change policies as that is not the purview of responsibility of the President."
As for whether he can influence ministers in their decision-making processes, Dr Tan added that this is also highly unlikely.
Said Dr Tan: "He can probably... speak to individual ministers, to (try to) change policy, (but) the ministers listen to the Prime Minister and also to the party leadership."
Agreeing, Singapore Management University Associate Professor of Law Eugene Tan said that ministers have no obligation to listen to an elected President and put his suggestions into action, because the President does not have the duty nor the power to influence the elected Government in its decision making processes.
Instead, the President's two main roles are to protect the integrity of the public sector, and also the country's past reserves.
Assoc Prof Tan also disagreed with Mr Tan's claim that he can use his limited veto powers to "ensure that government policies align with my vision and goals".
"The presidency cannot be said to have any particular vision or goals, because he cannot implement policy, he cannot change laws, he cannot introduce laws, so there cannot be any vision," said Assoc Prof Tan.
He added that Mr Tan's apparent lack of understanding of what the role of the presidency entails can suggest one of two things.
"It either conveys an ignorance of the president's role, duty and power, or it is a deliberate misrepresentation of what the president can do," he said.
"For someone who is perhaps thinking of making a second bid for the presidency, I take the view that Mr Tan must do better in terms of stating what he plans to do if he is elected."
Dr Gillian Koh, a senior research fellow at the Institute of Policy Studies, said that Mr Tan's claims can have negative consequences if voters are misled by them.
"The public should also itself be aware of the power of the elected presidency and its limits, otherwise, the candidates could oversell the role, and voters will be making their choice on the wrong basis," she said.
"They will be applying the wrong criteria in making this choice, which is nonetheless very important."
She added that more importantly, presidential candidates should "refrain from overselling their role" in the first place.
(22-08-2023, 10:40 AM)Bigiron Wrote: i agree on this and his supporter will vote for due SDP and PV stiring emotion AMONG THE PEOPEL
shortsighted if want next GE25 opposition to have majority seat in the parliament will be hard if TKL in as president.
(22-08-2023, 10:37 AM)moonrab Wrote: No, not enough said inorder to smokes the screen for Singaporean voters. Uncles and Aunties.
We are not so gullible as you wishes to imagine.
Tan Kim Lian is deliberately "Over Selling" the Roles of Singapore President to the public.
Which need to be arrested for commoners to know what he can and cannot do as a President.
And his giving empty promises to voters.
"TKL added that he would use the office to "find alternative solutions to bring down the cost of living, ensure affordable housing for all, and secure stable jobs with a path to progress"
Even shortening NS conscription to 1 year.
These actions directly involved with the governance of Singapore, policies debated and voted in past Parliamentary sessions.
TAN'S SUGGESTIONS NOT IN LINE WITH PRESIDENT'S ROLE : ANALYSTS
Speaking to TODAY, political analysts said that many of Mr Tan's claims on what he could do should he be elected are incongruent with the President's powers under the Constitution.
On Mr Tan's claims that he can leverage the President's powers to find solutions to issues such as cost of living, affordable housing and job security, Dr Felix Tan, a political analyst at the Nanyang Technological University (NTU), said that the elected President in fact has no such powers.
"The President doesn’t have that sort of purview over changing of policy for two reasons: Firstly, policies are made at the parliamentary or government level, and not at the presidential level.
"Secondly, as the president he is also constrained by the (Council of Presidential Advisers), so (the exercising of his powers) has to be made in consultation with the advisers," said Dr Tan.
"He can't change policies as that is not the purview of responsibility of the President."
As for whether he can influence ministers in their decision-making processes, Dr Tan added that this is also highly unlikely.
Said Dr Tan: "He can probably... speak to individual ministers, to (try to) change policy, (but) the ministers listen to the Prime Minister and also to the party leadership."
Agreeing, Singapore Management University Associate Professor of Law Eugene Tan said that ministers have no obligation to listen to an elected President and put his suggestions into action, because the President does not have the duty nor the power to influence the elected Government in its decision making processes.
Instead, the President's two main roles are to protect the integrity of the public sector, and also the country's past reserves.
Assoc Prof Tan also disagreed with Mr Tan's claim that he can use his limited veto powers to "ensure that government policies align with my vision and goals".
"The presidency cannot be said to have any particular vision or goals, because he cannot implement policy, he cannot change laws, he cannot introduce laws, so there cannot be any vision," said Assoc Prof Tan.
He added that Mr Tan's apparent lack of understanding of what the role of the presidency entails can suggest one of two things.
"It either conveys an ignorance of the president's role, duty and power, or it is a deliberate misrepresentation of what the president can do," he said.
"For someone who is perhaps thinking of making a second bid for the presidency, I take the view that Mr Tan must do better in terms of stating what he plans to do if he is elected."
Dr Gillian Koh, a senior research fellow at the Institute of Policy Studies, said that Mr Tan's claims can have negative consequences if voters are misled by them.
"The public should also itself be aware of the power of the elected presidency and its limits, otherwise, the candidates could oversell the role, and voters will be making their choice on the wrong basis," she said.
"They will be applying the wrong criteria in making this choice, which is nonetheless very important."
She added that more importantly, presidential candidates should "refrain from overselling their role" in the first place.
(22-08-2023, 10:50 AM)Sentinel Wrote: TKL always say he will bring issues up to discuss with the govt
I do not think he is overstepping nor is he over-promising or misrepresenting
His position relayed to the public as I hear it as a common man is very clear
I don't know how or why these analysts, including you, who only come here to post when you know the panic button is pressed, why are you all hallucinating?
IAM sure the public who heard TKL and will be voting for him has heard his message loud and clear
What the analysts or you say or I say means nothing
The other two candidates are contesting on the premise of prestige in international scenario, but TKL also has international stature, more than NKS but less than Tharma, BUT ADEQUATE!
Ok enuff, I know what you are trying to put across, that the President is a Toothless Tiger
Well, TKL and his supporters will beg to differ
We can argue till the cows come home, but we would not need to go for an election if the President role is that of a Toothless Tiger
(22-08-2023, 10:50 AM)moonrab Wrote: It is very sad to see opposition deliberately politicise our PE. Misleading voters with empty promises, which is so Bloody Obvious.
I expected better opposition in Singapore. Haiz...
Not every thing in a nation can be politicised. There must have a red line.
Presidency is one of them. Custodian roles such as King, Queen or Tunku alike, should not be politicise. Because they are for the citizens to respect with honour.
(22-08-2023, 10:56 AM)moonrab Wrote: Not a toothless tiger.
President can safe guard our Reserves.
That is the gist of the Presidential system in Singapore.
A highly important roles in time of crisis.
(22-08-2023, 10:57 AM)Sentinel Wrote: Wah wah, then you tell me why Tharma can be a referee or why he said that he will be a referee, referee of what??
Isn't this blatant misrepresentation of the role of a President? Politicking its role?
(22-08-2023, 10:50 AM)moonrab Wrote: It is very sad to see opposition deliberately politicise our PE. Misleading voters with empty promises, which is so Bloody Obvious.
I expected better opposition in Singapore. Haiz...
Not every thing in a nation can be politicised. There must have a red line.
Presidency is one of them. Custodian roles such as King, Queen or Tunku alike, should not be politicise. Because they are for the citizens to respect with honour.
(22-08-2023, 11:07 AM)moonrab Wrote: What is wrong with being "referee" in the presidency custodial role?
The PM and Ministers submit the case for approval.
The President with his CPA study the proposal, and approve or veto it.
That is the correct understanding of our President role.
SINGAPORE — Senior Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam said Sunday (June 11) that he sees himself more as a referee, not teammates with the Government, should he win the upcoming Presidential Election that he hopes will not be a walkover.
He was responding to reporters' questions over a sporting analogy he brought up on Thursday after declaring his intent to run for the Elected Presidency, and said he saw himself not as a striker who scores goals but someone playing further behind through a unifying role as President.
He was responding to reporters' questions over a sporting analogy he brought up on Thursday after declaring his intent to run for the Elected Presidency, and said he saw himself not as a striker who scores goals but someone playing further behind through a unifying role as President.
(22-08-2023, 11:01 AM)Sentinel Wrote: There is a Community role, you are deliberately ignoring it
Ok, don't waste your breath, you will never be able to convince an intelligent person because what you said is half the truth
I want to say that the ELECTED PRESIDENT IS NOT WHAT YOU SEE IN NATHAN, TT OR HALIMAU
They a flower vases, in fact there is no need to elect, just select anyone will do, why waste the electorate time and resources and money?
(22-08-2023, 11:14 AM)Sentinel Wrote: We do not use the word "referee" as this shows he does not understand the role of the President and is only saying it to play to the gallery
At most, he can say he can be the goalkeeper, but this word likely eluded him, because he knows and agree that the President role is plainly a flow case, toothless tiger
You know, I seriously question his motive to come forward to be a President
His caliber is certainly much higher than just be a President, as it is a dead end job, not many people of such caliber wants to do this job
Is it possible that he has been nudged?
(22-08-2023, 11:20 AM)moonrab Wrote: We all knows he won't be the PM.
Regarding to age and race. Oops. Hope I don't draws in more controversy debate.
With his superior repertoire with international figures. IMF, all international platforms and countries leaders.
As a President to spear heading Singapore connections internationally, he can draws in much benefits for us.
(22-08-2023, 11:20 AM)moonrab Wrote: We all knows he won't be the PM.
Regarding to age and race. Oops. Hope I don't draws in more controversy debate.
With his superior repertoire with international figures. IMF, all international platforms and countries leaders.
As a President to spear heading Singapore connections internationally, he can draws in much benefits for us.
(22-08-2023, 11:15 AM)moonrab Wrote: Actually I agree with you about time and money wasted in PE. Our past elected President by the Ministers was much more efficient.
But thinking about the hypothetical future Government of Singapore, can be from a coalition of different political parties as we seen in neighbouring countries.
Then the process of PE to safe guarding our reserves makes senses.