(07-04-2024, 12:07 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I only quote Matthew and you're ignoring that verse.
The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people. Matt 27.
the statement is made purely in a poetic sense by Matthew. The most reasonable interpretation, challenging though it may be, is to read these as a straightforward and literal part of the narrative.
Not that important.
(06-04-2024, 11:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I am not comfortable using the term Jews. Jews are people who lived in Judah. The chosen people were known as the children of Israel and most importantly, Jesus was not a Jew. I can also argue that Jesus is not the children of Israel because he was born without a father. The bloodline for the children of Israel was always through the father, never the mother.
And remember, Jesus told the children of Israel that God will take away God's kingdom from them and give it to another nation who will bring about the fruit.
And you still have not considered Luke 19, where Jesus will kill his enemies. According to Christian scholars, the enemies Jesus will slay will be the Jews.
And remember, words have been put into the mouth of Jesus. Again, this is not my opinion. I refer to Christian scholars.
I hope you did not learn this from your "Christian" scholars as it so happens that Judaism follows a matrilineal system where a Jewish person inherits his/her Jewish bloodline from their mother.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...lineal.htm
I know this for a fact as I have Jewish friends.
Jesus himself has not killed any enemy. In fact he restored the ear of an enemy which a disciple cut off in a bid to defend Jesus.
(07-04-2024, 12:04 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Ya...need to cast out in Jesus name..
But every night Satan comes inside nose to sleep wor...v troublesome.
Sounds like a fairy tale to me.
Btw has anyone replied to your question about who Allah was praying to?
(07-04-2024, 12:24 AM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ]I hope you did not learn this from your "Christian" scholars as it so happens that Judaism follows a matrilineal system where a Jewish person inherits his/her Jewish bloodline from their mother.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...lineal.htm
I know this for a fact I have Jewish friends.
Wow! You exposed his lie. Those who are ignorant would have been deceived by him
Really, he is becoming more and more like Raeesah Khan.
(07-04-2024, 12:21 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]the statement is made purely in a poetic sense by Matthew. The most reasonable interpretation, challenging though it may be, is to read these as a straightforward and literal part of the narrative.
Not that important.
The straightforward and literal meaning of that verse is that the zombies were walking around.
(07-04-2024, 12:26 AM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like a fairy tale to me.
Btw has anyone replied to your question about who Allah was praying to?
They have all the answers...you got to read how their prophet got zap up into heaven and speak to their God....power!
(07-04-2024, 12:24 AM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ]I hope you did not learn this from your "Christian" scholars as it so happens that Judaism follows a matrilineal system where a Jewish person inherits his/her Jewish bloodline from their mother.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...lineal.htm
I know this for a fact as I have Jewish friends.
Jesus himself has not killed any enemy. In fact he restored the ear of an enemy which a disciple cut off in a bid to defend Jesus.
I'm talking about the children of Israel, not Jews. Who is Israel? A man, Prophet Jacob pbuh. Ergo, the lineage is from the father. How simple is that?
In Luke 19, Jesus gave a parable of his 2nd coming. So okay, he hasn't yet killed his enemies but wait for the 2nd coming. Remember, the Jews in Israel today are expecting their king to arrive very soon. Do you think that will be Jesus?
I need to go to sleep for at least half an hour before I have to get up and go to the mosque at 3 am.
(07-04-2024, 12:26 AM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like a fairy tale to me.
Btw has anyone replied to your question about who Allah was praying to?
Search this, very interesting read.
Why did prophet Mohammad (sw) go 9 times to Allah to reduce the number of prayers by 5 from fifty times to five times? It's not something generally happens, one might need to go a maximum of two or three times, but why did he go 9 times?
(07-04-2024, 12:20 AM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]Hang on. Don't reply to something I didn't even write to you.
Reply to the post where I asked you to show proof instead of claiming that "scholars" said this, that and the other. Acting tough with a "try me... Pay PRICE" does not scare me. I am made of sterner material than you think, son. 
And if I show you, will you admit you were wrong about me?
(07-04-2024, 12:40 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm talking about the children of Israel, not Jews. Who is Israel? A man, Prophet Jacob pbuh. Ergo, the lineage is from the father. How simple is that?
In Luke 19, Jesus gave a parable of his 2nd coming. So okay, he hasn't yet killed his enemies but wait for the 2nd coming. Remember, the Jews in Israel today are expecting their king to arrive very soon. Do you think that will be Jesus?
[emoji for twisting and wriggling]
.... let readers decide what you are talking about if you yourself don't.
I am not saying the enemies of Jesus won't be killed, I'm saying that the enemies of Jesus which the parable is refering are those who are anti-christ ,not Jews [who can also be Christians] per se. Also Jesus does not kill. Those who are anti Christ will burn in hell.
(07-04-2024, 01:02 AM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ] [emoji for twisting and wriggling] .... let readers decide what you are talking about if you yourself don't.
I am not saying the enemies of Jesus won't be killed, I'm saying that the enemies of Jesus which the parable is refering are those who are anti-christ ,not Jews [who can also be Christians] per se. Also Jesus does not kill. Those who are anti Christ will burn in hell.
I clearly wrote "children of Israel". See post #70. I made it clear that I am referring to the children of Israel, not Jews.
Please don't be like the rest of the Christians here. Be fair, even if it doesn't suit your argument.
(06-04-2024, 11:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I am not comfortable using the term Jews. Jews are people who lived in Judah. The chosen people were known as the children of Israel and most importantly, Jesus was not a Jew. I can also argue that Jesus is not the children of Israel because he was born without a father. The bloodline for the children of Israel was always through the father, never the mother.
(07-04-2024, 12:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The straightforward and literal meaning of that verse is that the zombies were walking around.
Zombies are re-animated corpses that have no life nor soul in them. If you take that verse literally it means the Holy dead were ressurected or became alive again, not at all the same as becoming zombies
I don't find that so unbelieveable at all. There are also bodies of modern day saints who have not been corrupted [see St Pio and St Bernadette]. Even if it was not described in all the gospels, it doesn't mean it didn't happen [we are talking about ancient times here where news was slow to travel and not everything was recorded ] plus it wasn't pertinent to the teachings about Christ.
(07-04-2024, 01:14 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I clearly wrote "children of Israel". See post #70. I made it clear that I am referring to the children of Israel, not Jews.
Please don't be like the rest of the Christians here. Be fair, even if it doesn't suit your argument.
You were countering my statement from the bible that "salvation comes from the Jews" and that Jesus is a Jew. Now you are saying that you are not talking about the Jews..... I guess you must be really sleeepppyyy.....
(07-04-2024, 01:34 AM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ] You were countering my statement from the bible that "salvation comes from the Jews" and that Jesus is a Jew. Now you are saying that you are not talking about the Jews..... I guess you must be really sleeepppyyy.....
And I said I am not using the term Jews. I'm using the term children of Israel. The children of Israel were God's chosen people, not the Jews of today. The Jews of today rejected Jesus as their king and they are expecting the announcement of their king very soon, which I can tell you is not going to be Jesus. He will be the imposter, the false messiah.
Do you think the Jews in Israel now are the descendants of Prophet Jacob, pbuh? Surely not.
I've also given you my reason why I said Jesus doesn't belong to the children of Israel because he doesn't have a father as the lineage of Israel is from the father, not mother as some Jews would like you to think.
Do you really think the Jews in Israel today are God's chosen people? I will argue on that later.
Lastly, you already know there are forgeries in the NT. How are you now so sure which verses are genuine? What if that part in John would not in future be taken out of the Bible because scholars have found evidence it was forged?
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(07-04-2024, 03:04 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]And I said I am not using the term Jews. I'm using the term children of Israel. The children of Israel were God's chosen people, not the Jews of today. The Jews of today rejected Jesus as their king and they are expecting the announcement of their king very soon, which I can tell you is not going to be Jesus. He will be the imposter, the false messiah.
Do you think the Jews in Israel now are the descendants of Prophet Jacob, pbuh? Surely not.
I've also given you my reason why I said Jesus doesn't belong to the children of Israel because he doesn't have a father as the lineage of Israel is from the father, not mother as some Jews would like you to think.
Do you really think the Jews in Israel today are God's chosen people? I will argue on that later.
Lastly, you already know there are forgeries in the NT. How are you now so sure which verses are genuine? What if that part in John would not in future be taken out of the Bible because scholars have found evidence it was forged?
Even if you invalidate the whole gospel from St John,that still doesn't disqualify the secular statement that salvation comes from the Jews and Jesus is a Jew. The Torah was written by the Jews for the Jews who were/are children of Israel. The term 'Jew' has a history longer than 'Christian'. 'Catholic' and 'Moslem'. Even if you discount Jesus' partrilineage he is still all Jew based on his DNA from his mother and we are talking about Jews as a race here.
For reptiles which self-replicated without males [google please], does that make them non-reptiles?
Your whole argument holds no water at any which angle. Readers can decide for themselves.
(07-04-2024, 12:51 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]And if I show you, will you admit you were wrong about me?
Show not me but everybody instead of beating around the bush.
(07-04-2024, 06:53 AM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ]Even if you invalidate the whole gospel from St John,that still doesn't disqualify the secular statement that salvation comes from the Jews and Jesus is a Jew. The Torah was written by the Jews for the Jews who were/are children of Israel. The term 'Jew' has a history longer than 'Christian'. 'Catholic' and 'Moslem'. Even if you discount Jesus' partrilineage he is still all Jew based on his DNA from his mother and we are talking about Jews as a race here.
For reptiles which self-replicated without males [google please], does that make them non-reptiles?
Your whole argument holds no water at any which angle. Readers can decide for themselves.
He cherypicks versed here and there from the Torah and even everywhere from the OT and NT but twists them using his interpretation. He does this now with the words patrilineal and matrilineal.
He would ever deny that Jesus was real, and claim that he was just a character in a Jewish story that grandmothers told to entertain chewren if the "scholars ' had said so. Just never ask him to name those scholars... he will reply with try me, pay price, decades. Raeesah Khan.
(07-04-2024, 01:34 AM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ] You were countering my statement from the bible that "salvation comes from the Jews" and that Jesus is a Jew. Now you are saying that you are not talking about the Jews..... I guess you must be really sleeepppyyy.....
Twist and turn. His usual antic.
(07-04-2024, 12:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Search this, very interesting read.
Why did prophet Mohammad (sw) go 9 times to Allah to reduce the number of prayers by 5 from fifty times to five times? It's not something generally happens, one might need to go a maximum of two or three times, but why did he go 9 times?
Each time prophet Muhamma, pbuh, went to see his god, god reduced the number by 5. I think god told him 9 tines were about all he could go see him. If he went a 10th time, today Ali shan't have to pray at all
So I guess that's why prophet Muhammad, pbuh, went 9 tines. Maybe Ali can consperm..
(07-04-2024, 12:37 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]They have all the answers...you got to read how their prophet got zap up into heaven and speak to their God....power!
Salman Rushdie went into hiding but eventually they got him. He didn't die but was seriously injured and would be permanently incapacitated in some functions.
Recently a guy with a history of mental illness was jailed because he stole two cans of pork from Sheng Siong and placed them on top of a wall or something outside a mosque.
Ali knows very well that we must stfu and not say anything about his religion which he cannot answer, while he twists God's Word, says that Paul lied with a Satanic doctrine, mocks and taunts us.
He called Paul a saint with a smirk.
He claims to be a Singaporean but I doubt if he resides here. He posts behind a VPN anyway.
Whoever endures to the end will be saved
Many false prophets will rise to deceive even the elects
During the nite when we sleep the devil planted tares among the wheat
Both grow together
Blind will lead the blind both fall into the pit
(07-04-2024, 08:31 AM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]Salman Rushdie went into hiding but eventually they got him. He didn't die but was seriously injured and would be permanently incapacitated in some functions.
Recently a guy with a history of mental illness was jailed because he stole two cans of pork from Sheng Siong and placed them on top of a wall or something outside a mosque.
Ali knows very well that we must stfu and not say anything about his religion which he cannot answer, while he twists God's Word, says that Paul lied with a Satanic doctrine, mocks and taunts us.
He called Paul a saint with a smirk.
He claims to be a Singaporean but I doubt if he resides here. He posts behind a VPN anyway.
He is just a kid, I doubt his real age.
(07-04-2024, 12:24 AM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ]I hope you did not learn this from your "Christian" scholars as it so happens that Judaism follows a matrilineal system where a Jewish person inherits his/her Jewish bloodline from their mother.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...lineal.htm
I know this for a fact as I have Jewish friends.
Jesus himself has not killed any enemy. In fact he restored the ear of an enemy which a disciple cut off in a bid to defend Jesus.
As I thought about your words in the last para, I could not help thinking how cunning Satan was, that we Man would be no match for him.
He had Eve fooled big time by twisting God's Word.
Satan tried to fool Jesus in the wilderness but ah! this was no ordinary mortal. He wanted to make Jesus sin and disobey God, doubt God, and if Jesus had fallen into that trap, the value of the Messiah in this world would be zilch. Jesus would cease to be Lamb without a blemish! Eew!
Jesus restored the enemy's ear instead of getting into a brawl. He would not sin even under severe provocation and with full knowledge that He was going to be arrested and crucified. He would be offered up to God without sinning. Satan's last attempt at blemishing the Sacrifice failed yet again.
Biblical records when read with a secular mind are just history, but there is a spiritual war up there which we can only understand with hindsight when the Holy Spirit reveals it to us. Satan knew who Jesus was when the peepur only knew he was a carpenter's son. Satan was desperate to destroy Jesus but was outwitted by God. Hallelujah!
And now, Ali says that Jesus will return to kill the Jews. He will say that the Promised Messiah is Muhammad. His "evidence" are that Muhammad said he went to speak to Allah, Muhammad said that a 9 year old girl was to marry him because Allah said so, Muhammad said that he went to see Allah 9 times and so now, he only needs to pray 5 times. Ask him anything, and the answer is Muhammad said so. Did Jesus say we must pray five times? No. But we must pray five times because Muhammad said so. Must we say the Lord's Prayer? Ali says we must listen to Jesus. But he himself does not pray like this (his own words not mine) because Muhammad did not pray like that wor.
(07-04-2024, 09:07 AM)cityhantam Wrote: [ -> ]
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I have never seen a single Chinese with a red dot between the eyes. However, I have seen many ceca with a red dot between their eyes. You worship ceca? Aiptasia! Where are you? 出来！
This Christian lady is asking Have you read the bible and Quran