[Hope]

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?
John 14/9..👍👏👏

That moslem read this again bo Tarhan.

Does this means father is also white, blonde hair, green eyes , foodie ?

See lai liao bo tarhan liao 
Cannot accept Jesus words

Could you explain the meaning of verses 14:1 to 8 without isolating only 14/9

[Lukongsimi]

Without us Christians the 2 moslems will slap mosquitoes nobody to fight with

[Lukongsimi]

The other pachik maybe tidur Liao
Tomorrow morning starts to shoot that is their job

[Hope]

Without us Christians the 2 moslems will slap mosquitoes nobody to fight with

I have enough usual work, trading and extra activities during fasting.

I am engaging here to educate you and myself.

[Lukongsimi]

Ok u can talk to the walls
Walls got ears they believe u

[Lukongsimi]

A howling wolf wants to teach believers?
Embarrassing boh?

[Hope]

Jesus will teach you moslems to love and not to kill...
He will show you the contradictions in the Quran that are not in line with His teachings..

Any bible verses to support your claim?



And his ˹second˺ coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path.”Quran 43:61

Every one of the People of the Book will definitely believe in him before his death.And on the Day of Judgment Jesus will be a witness against them.” Quran 4:159

[Lukongsimi]

An unbeliever wants to teach believers?
Embarrassing boh?

[S I M T A N]

Jesus said the Father is greater than him (John 14:28) and greater than ALL (John 10:29). So there, in at least two places, Jesus said explicitly that he is not equal to God. I can also show you other places where Jesus implicitly said he is subordinate to God, a servant of God.

Jesus also said the authority has been given to him. (Matt 28)

Being the Messiah is not being God. There were other Messiahs before Jesus, like Cyrus. 

If I ask you to show me where Jesus taught people to pray to him, you can only show me some ambiguous verses that could mean more than 1 thing.

Hi, you have a knack for pulling Scriptures out of context instead of reading unblinkingly the pertinent verses I put up. The disciples associated Jesus's name with God's name, and their use of Jesus's name as the agent and recipient of prayer has been noted (1 Cor 5:4; Acts 7:59). The disciples also considered Jesus to be Messiah - God.

The NT opens with a passage concluding that Jesus is Immanuel - God with us - which refers to the messianic prediction of Isaiah 7:14. The very title "Christ" carries the same meaning as the Hebrew appellation "Messiah" (Anointed). In Zechariah 12:10, Yahweh says, "They will look on Me whom they have pierced. The NT writers apply this passage to Jesus twice when predicting his crucifixion (John 19:37; Rev 1:7). Paul interprets Isaiah's message, "For I am God, and there is no other... To Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance" (Isa 45: 22-23), as applying to his Lord: "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow ... every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil 2:10-11). All created beings will call Jesus both Messiah (Christ) and Yahweh (Lord).

Another thing - Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). Of course, the Father as God is greater than Jesus is as a man. And the Father is greater in office, but not in nature. Then Jesus affirmed, "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone" (Mark 13:32). God knows everything while Jesus knew the time of His coming as God, but He didn't know it as man. He has two natures. In one he is all-knowing and in the other as a man, he is not.

[S I M T A N]

Jesus's life is truly unique. He is God in the flesh - fully human and fully God. As perfect Man He alone is able to stand in the place of guilty men and women. As perfect God, He alone is able to satisfy divine justice. That makes Jesus's death unique, which is why His crucifixion is the climax of the gospel. For all other religious leaders, death was the tragic end of the story. The focus is always on their leaders' lives. With Jesus, it's the opposite - He was constantly anticipating His death, and the central symbol of Christianity has been the cross.

The cross is where Jesus, God in the flesh, took the just punishment due sinners upon Himself. At the cross of Christ, God fully expressed His holy judgment upon sin. At the same time, God in Christ fully endured His holy judgment against sin. In the process, God through Christ made salvation possible for all sinners - the penalty for sin was paid. The holy, just, and gracious Creator of the universe has made a way in Christ for anyone anywhere to be reconciled to Him. This is the greatest news in all the world, and that's why we call it the gospel, which means "Good News."

[S I M T A N]

SimTan. Please tell me if you agree with John 17:3 where Jesus said, explicitly, that the true God is only 1 person.

Please do not give a different meaning to the word "only".

No, Jesus didn't say the true God is only 1 person - you said it, adding the "1 person" and the gospel's simplicity is complicated and misapplied. Please don't preach heresy created from isolated scriptures.

I have already explained the whys and the wherefores of the word "only" in my previous post and I don't wanna repeat the same thing again.

[S I M T A N]

You have admitted knowing almost nothing about Islam or our prophet. So why do you make statements about our prophet and our faith as though you know?

I was stating what everybody already knows, and that is Islam is a "works-based salvation" and not a "faith-based salvation" like ours. It's perfectly understandable that the founder of Islam could not provide a sure hope for salvation, only guidelines for staying in Allah's good graces.

[S I M T A N]

Don be a fool and read from untrustworthy source lah...

I only answer smart questions 
If answer silly questions made me more silly like them

The Bible says, "Do not answer a fool according to his folly." We agree with Proverb 26:4. We also agree with verse 5, which says, "Answer a fool as his folly deserves, that he not be wise in his own eyes." Either the author of the book of Proverbs was mad, or the lesson of the passage is that we have to be careful in how and when we choose to confront false ideas. Don't just argue with people who won't listen to reason, or we'll be just as foolish as they. But if we're able to show people the error of their thinking in a way that they can understand, then maybe they'll seek God's wisdom rather than relying on their own.

[Hope]

A hypocrite claim our
Bible is forged n yet try to make use of the Bible to discipline us?
Double minded !

I didn't make that claim. Your own Bible scholars, some of whom are Christians, made that finding of forgeries in the Bible.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2020...7379830000

Don be a fool and read from untrustworthy source lah...

The Bible says, "Do not answer a fool according to his folly." We agree with Proverb 26:4. We also agree with verse 5, which says, "Answer a fool as his folly deserves, that he not be wise in his own eyes." Either the author of the book of Proverbs was mad, or the lesson of the passage is that we have to be careful in how and when we choose to confront false ideas. Don't just argue with people who won't listen to reason, or we'll be just as foolish as they. But if we're able to show people the error of their thinking in a way that they can understand, then maybe they'll seek God's wisdom rather than relying on their own.

When Ali post something from a website, it is untrustworthy sources 😳
Really?
It is from Haaretz, from Israel.

[Hope]

Mankind is only made from dust 
No power like God

Mankind was made in the heaven or earth?

Where were the angels made?

Where was the fallen angel made?

Got one just ask me where the angels n mankind were made?
Use your brain lah

I only answer smart questions 
If answer silly questions made me more silly like them

The Bible says, "Do not answer a fool according to his folly." We agree with Proverb 26:4. We also agree with verse 5, which says, "Answer a fool as his folly deserves, that he not be wise in his own eyes." Either the author of the book of Proverbs was mad, or the lesson of the passage is that we have to be careful in how and when we choose to confront false ideas. Don't just argue with people who won't listen to reason, or we'll be just as foolish as they. But if we're able to show people the error of their thinking in a way that they can understand, then maybe they'll seek God's wisdom rather than relying on their own.

Are those foolish Questions or you don’t have answers?

Bible say human was created on earth, the Satan was created in the heaven. See who is foolish 👍

Bible also has no answer if humans were created before or after Angels.

[Hope]

Could you explain the meaning of verses 14:1 to 8 without isolating only 14/9

A howling wolf wants to teach believers?
Embarrassing boh?

An unbeliever wants to teach believers?
Embarrassing boh?

Okay, please teach me then.

[Hope]

Jesus Sentenced to Be Crucified
[size=11]19 Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. 2 The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe 3 and went up to him again and again, saying, “Hail, king of the Jews!” And they slapped him in the face.[/size]
[size=11]4 Once more Pilate came out and said to the Jews gathered there, “Look, I am bringing him out to you to let you know that I find no basis for a charge against him.” 5 When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe,Pilate said to them, “Here is the man!”[/size]
[size=11]6 As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, “Crucify! Crucify!”[/size]
But Pilate answered, “You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him.”
[size=11]7 The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die,because he claimed to be the Son of God.”[/size]
[size=11]8 When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9 and he went back inside the palace.“Where do you come from?” he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”[/size]
[size=11]11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”[/size]
[size=11]12 From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”[/size]
[size=11]13 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). 14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.[/size]
“Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews.
[size=11]15 But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!”[/size]
“Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked.
“We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.
[size=11]16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.[/size]
The Crucifixion of Jesus
So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. [size=11]17 Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaicis called Golgotha). 18 There they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.[/size]
[size=11]19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews. 20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.21 The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, “Do not write ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews.”[/size]
[size=11]22 Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”[/size]
[size=11]23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.[/size]
[size=11]24 “Let’s not tear it,” they said to one another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.”[/size]
This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled that said,
[size=11]“They divided my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.”[a][/size]
So this is what the soldiers did.
[size=11]25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman,[b] here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.[/size]
The Death of Jesus
[size=11]28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.[/size]
[size=11]31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw ithas given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”[c]37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”[d][/size]
The Burial of Jesus
38 Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jewish leaders. With Pilate’s permission, he came and took the body away. 39 He was accompanied by Nicodemus,the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.[e] 40 Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.41 At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42 Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

No where mentioned that Jesus died for the sins of humanity.

[Ali Imran]

I was stating what everybody already knows, and that is Islam is a "works-based salvation" and not a "faith-based salvation" like ours. It's perfectly understandable that the founder of Islam could not provide a sure hope for salvation, only guidelines for staying in Allah's good graces.

So it is true that you do not know our faith and yet you make statements as though you know. There are tons of verses in the Quran stating "Verily, those who have attained faith and do good works...". So you're wrong to say that (in bold). It is not by accident that a student of Jesus pbuh also said the same, that we must have faith and we must work on faith in the hope that our Lord will admit us into Paradise and protect us from the Fire. I don't have to tell you who is that student.

Have you read anything about Prophet Muhammad's teachings found in our Hadith? No. But yet you speak as though you know. That is dishonesty.

[Ali Imran]

No, Jesus didn't say the true God is only 1 person - you said it, adding the "1 person" and the gospel's simplicity is complicated and misapplied. Please don't preach heresy created from isolated scriptures.

Yes, Jesus did say the true God is only 1 person. It is foolish to argue with me on that point. According to your creed, the Father is 1 person. So when Jesus said the Father is the only true God, that also means only 1 person is the true God.

[Ali Imran]

... the central symbol of Christianity has been the cross.

The cross is an instrument of torture and execution. It made Jesus anguish so much that he was pleading with God to save him from it until he was sweating blood. And yet, you revere symbolically the instrument that was used to humiliate Jesus.

I find that ironic.

[cheekopekman]

Hi, you have a knack for pulling Scriptures out of context instead of reading unblinkingly the pertinent verses I put up. The disciples associated Jesus's name with God's name, and their use of Jesus's name as the agent and recipient of prayer has been noted (1 Cor 5:4; Acts 7:59). The disciples also considered Jesus to be Messiah - God.

The NT opens with a passage concluding that Jesus is Immanuel - God with us - which refers to the messianic prediction of Isaiah 7:14. The very title "Christ" carries the same meaning as the Hebrew appellation "Messiah" (Anointed). In Zechariah 12:10, Yahweh says, "They will look on Me whom they have pierced. The NT writers apply this passage to Jesus twice when predicting his crucifixion (John 19:37; Rev 1:7). Paul interprets Isaiah's message, "For I am God, and there is no other... To Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance" (Isa 45: 22-23), as applying to his Lord: "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow ... every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil 2:10-11). All created beings will call Jesus both Messiah (Christ) and Yahweh (Lord).

Another thing - Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). Of course, the Father as God is greater than Jesus is as a man. And the Father is greater in office, but not in nature. Then Jesus affirmed, "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone" (Mark 13:32). God knows everything while Jesus knew the time of His coming as God, but He didn't know it as man. He has two natures. In one he is all-knowing and in the other as a man, he is not.

Whenever we read the Bible we must read in context and not just take out 1 verse lah!  Jesus said that all the Prophets and Moses taught were speaking about Him so we also need to refer to Old Testament quotations lah! The Jews and Israelites had been waiting for the promised Messiah since Prophet Isaiah's time about 700 years before Christ was born so the prophecy had come true when Jesus was born lah! But the Jews were disappointed because Jesus came to Jerusalem riding on a donkey not a horse and He was supposed to get rid of all those Romans but instead He died on a Roman cross lah! So now the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah lah!

[Ali Imran]

Another thing - Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). Of course, the Father as God is greater than Jesus is as a man. And the Father is greater in office, but not in nature. Then Jesus affirmed, "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone" (Mark 13:32). God knows everything while Jesus knew the time of His coming as God, but He didn't know it as man. He has two natures. In one he is all-knowing and in the other as a man, he is not.

Does his man-nature know his god-nature? At the exact time he was saying that about the hour, was his god-nature present?

What about the Holy Spirit? It doesn't have a man-nature. Does it know the hour? I am guessing not because, again, Jesus said only 1 person knows the hour.

[Ali Imran]

Whenever we read the Bible we must read in context and not just take out 1 verse lah!  Jesus said that all the Prophets and Moses taught were speaking about Him so we also need to refer to Old Testament quotations lah! The Jews and Israelites had been waiting for the promised Messiah since Prophet Isaiah's time about 700 years before Christ was born so the prophecy had come true when Jesus was born lah! But the Jews were disappointed because Jesus came to Jerusalem riding on a donkey not a horse and He was supposed to get rid of all those Romans but instead He died on a Roman cross lah! So now the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah lah!

And that made God's chosen people reject Jesus as the promised Messiah, because they believed he died on the cross. 

What a cruel joke played on God's chosen people, if what you say is true.

[Ali Imran]

Whenever we read the Bible we must read in context and not just take out 1 verse lah!  

Please tell me the context of John 17:3 where Jesus pointed to the Father as the ONLY true God.

[Ali Imran]

Hi, you have a knack for pulling Scriptures out of context instead of reading unblinkingly the pertinent verses I put up. The disciples associated Jesus's name with God's name, and their use of Jesus's name as the agent and recipient of prayer has been noted (1 Cor 5:4; Acts 7:59). The disciples also considered Jesus to be Messiah - God.

After Jesus's ascension, did any of the disciples teach people at the temple, which they frequent, that Jesus is God? The answer is no.

[Ali Imran]

Jesus's life is truly unique. He is God in the flesh - fully human and fully God. As perfect Man He alone is able to stand in the place of guilty men and women. As perfect God, He alone is able to satisfy divine justice. That makes Jesus's death unique, which is why His crucifixion is the climax of the gospel. For all other religious leaders, death was the tragic end of the story. The focus is always on their leaders' lives. With Jesus, it's the opposite - He was constantly anticipating His death, and the central symbol of Christianity has been the cross.

The cross is where Jesus, God in the flesh, took the just punishment due sinners upon Himself. At the cross of Christ, God fully expressed His holy judgment upon sin. At the same time, God in Christ fully endured His holy judgment against sin. In the process, God through Christ made salvation possible for all sinners - the penalty for sin was paid. The holy, just, and gracious Creator of the universe has made a way in Christ for anyone anywhere to be reconciled to Him. This is the greatest news in all the world, and that's why we call it the gospel, which means "Good News."

For thousands of years before Jesus, God has been forgiving and erasing sins without any difficulties, over and over again.

Why suddenly the change?

[pinkpanther]

When Ali post something from a website, it is untrustworthy sources 😳
Really?
It is from Haaretz, from Israel.

Who is the writer, tell me what does it says?

[pinkpanther]

It is not showing off.

Only Allah is praiseworthy

If only Allah is praise worthy....then why are you praising Muhammad??

[pinkpanther]

Pathetic nonsense and sinful you brainwashed uma

[Hope]

Bible has mentioned the names of 88 prophets.
Seems like God and those prophets have failed guiding the people.

Anyway why didn’t God choose a son from those 88 prophets  to sacrifice before?

As per bible , Sinners were drowned during Noah’s flood. Why should another person die for the sins of the people later.