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(27-05-2025, 04:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You have a problem with the "chosen people"?

Not the people, the mentality.

What you said about them is reflected in the mindset of the author of Matthew.
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(27-05-2025, 04:12 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Not the people, the mentality.

What you said about them is reflected in the mindset of the author of Matthew.

They are still the same rebellious and disobedient lot!

https://youtube.com/shorts/7uL555xWQeE?s...xBLoWMOD44
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(27-05-2025, 04:22 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  They are still the same rebellious and disobedient lot!

https://youtube.com/shorts/7uL555xWQeE?s...xBLoWMOD44

Well, they only spit at you.

But look at what they are doing to the Palestinians. Their snipers targetted babies. Many babies were killed by snipers, not to mention the 2,000 kg bombs dropped on tents where the Palestinians are taking refuge.

I wish I can go back to EDMW and speak to the supporters of Israel there. I bet they are ashamed now. As you may already know, I was banned there because I said Israel were the evil people bent on driving out the Palestinians in order to have a Jewish state. The Jews have no qualms about killing babies. Their PM even quoted 1 Samuel 15, which says to kill everyone, even the infants. And they are doing exactly that today.
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(27-05-2025, 04:37 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Well, they only spit at you.

But look at what they are doing to the Palestinians. Their snipers targetted babies. Many babies were killed by snipers, not to mention the 2,000 kg bombs dropped on tents where the Palestinians are taking refuge.

I wish I can go back to EDMW and speak to the supporters of Israel there. I bet they are ashamed now. As you may already know, I was banned there because I said Israel were the evil people bent on driving out the Palestinians in order to have a Jewish state. The Jews have no qualms about killing babies. Their PM even quoted 1 Samuel 15, which says to kill everyone, even the infants. And they are doing exactly that today.

There is nothing you can do...This is all God's will
While we do not have to support everything Israel does as a nation. ... we most definitely should support Israel’s right to exist.

You should go back to edmw...it is a easier league..
Here you are pitting yourself among the legends of the game Big Grin

 Genesis 12:2-3, "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

Woe to anyone who seeks to defeat that plan; “whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3).
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(27-05-2025, 05:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  There is nothing you can do...This is all God's will
While we do not have to support everything Israel does as a nation. ... we most definitely should support Israel’s right to exist.

You should go back to edmw...it is a easier league..
Here you are pitting yourself among the legends of the game Big Grin

 Genesis 12:2-3, "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

Woe to anyone who seeks to defeat that plan; “whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3).

Are you sure it is ok with God that Israel is committing genocide?
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(27-05-2025, 05:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  There is nothing you can do...

Me personally, no.

But the Muslims can do something about it and some of us are doing something to fight this great evil.

I salute the Houthis. They are the only people fighting this evil. Even the Americans are afraid of them.
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(27-05-2025, 05:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Are you sure it is ok with God that Israel is committing genocide?

Hello ...this is the same God you and the Jews believe in...The Christians play no part Big Grin
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(27-05-2025, 05:41 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Me personally, no.

But the Muslims can do something about it and some of us are doing something to fight this great evil.

I salute the Houthis. They are the only people fighting this evil. Even the Americans are afraid of them.

No end in sight..wait for Jesus to come back to settle this conflict lah
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(27-05-2025, 06:13 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hello ...this is the same God you and the Jews believe in...The Christians play no part Big Grin

I'm sure you know that the Christians are the people who are supplying weapons to the Israelis to murder Palestinians.

So you cannot say the Christians play no part. It is their support that allows this genocide to take place.

But of course, not all Christians.
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(27-05-2025, 06:19 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I'm sure you know that the Christians are the people who are supplying weapons to the Israelis to murder Palestinians.

So you cannot say the Christians play no part. It is their support that allows this genocide to take place.

But of course, not all Christians.

You tend to forget all the help the christians put in for the Gazans...
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(27-05-2025, 06:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You tend to forget all the help the christians put in for the Gazans...

Would you give food to the innocent Gazans? I am very sure you would. You still have a heart.

But if you can, would you fight Israel to stop the genocide and chase them out of the occupied territories?
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(27-05-2025, 06:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Would you give food to the innocent Gazans? I am very sure you would. You still have a heart.

But if you can, would you fight Israel to stop the genocide and chase them out of the occupied territories?

I'm not Rambo...only he can handle that. Peace negotiations are essential, just as Abdullah the Mahdi emphasized.
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(27-05-2025, 07:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I'm not Rambo...only he can handle that. Peace negotiations are essential, just as Abdullah the Mahdi emphasized.

You are naive.

The Jews want that land minus the inhabitants. They are not interested in peace.
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(27-05-2025, 07:12 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You are naive.

The Jews want that land minus the inhabitants. They are not interested in peace.

Crazy
If they want the land, they are capable to take it anytime.. what are the Jews waiting for?
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(27-05-2025, 07:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Crazy
If they want the land, they are capable to take it anytime.. what are the Jews waiting for?

Yes, they want the land. What they didn't expect was the resilience of the Muslims. That's why till now, they still cannot take that land.
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Btw, there is no such thing as Islamic dilemma.
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(27-05-2025, 07:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Yes, they want the land. What they didn't expect was the resilience of the Muslims. That's why till now, they still cannot take that land.

They want the land but yet they allow food and other aids to enter Gaza...

Feed them well so they can put on a resistance? That doesn't make sense
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(27-05-2025, 07:41 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Btw, there is no such thing as Islamic dilemma.

If the Gospels are not trustworthy, then the Quran is false because it teaches that the Gospels are the inspired, perfectly preserved, authoritative words of God.But if the Gospels are trustworthy, then the Quran is false because it teaches contradictory, mutually exclusive facts about key issues. Either way, the Quran is false. Big Grin
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(27-05-2025, 07:45 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If the Gospels are not trustworthy, then the Quran is false because it teaches that the Gospels are the inspired, perfectly preserved, authoritative words of God.But if the Gospels are trustworthy, then the Quran is false because it teaches contradictory, mutually exclusive facts about key issues. Either way, the Quran is false. Big Grin

Smile

First and foremost, it is Gospel, singular. There is only 1 Injeel and it is not what is in the Bible. The 4 Gospels are the writings of unknown authors. They are like the Hadith, albeit weak Hadith, not authentic because we don't know the authors. What is important for you to know is that what is in the 4 Gospels is not the words of Jesus the Messiah, pbuh.

A single paragraph of simple words from me is enough to take down your supposed "Islamic dilemma".
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(27-05-2025, 07:43 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  They want the land but yet they allow food and other aids to enter Gaza...

Feed them well so they can put on a resistance? That doesn't make sense

What you said in your first sentence is already telling a lot. Why is it that Israel can control what goes into Gaza?

And the report of UN, credible organisations like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, they all say Israel has been controlling the food into Gaza for many years already, barely enough for a human to survive. That is why the Gazans, after so many years of persecution, decided to fight back.
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(27-05-2025, 07:58 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Smile

First and foremost, it is Gospel, singular. There is only 1 Injeel and it is not what is in the Bible. The 4 Gospels are the writings of unknown authors. They are like the Hadith, albeit weak Hadith, not authentic because we don't know the authors. What is important for you to know is that what is in the 4 Gospels is not the words of Jesus the Messiah, pbuh.

A single paragraph of simple words from me is enough to take down your supposed "Islamic dilemma".

I appreciate how you inadvertently undermined your own argument. We have the Gospel from the time of Muhammad, and Muhammad himself affirms it. If the gospel he referred to isn't the one we have today, then that suggests people were reading a different version today or there are 2 books, for which there are no records or historical evidence of a new book

What exactly is written in the Injil? Show it to me. Does your article of faith require you to believe in a "lost gospel"? The burden of proof lies with Islam to provide evidence for the existence of the Injil because Islam makes the claim
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(27-05-2025, 08:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  What you said in your first sentence is already telling a lot. Why is it that Israel can control what goes into Gaza?

And the report of UN, credible organisations like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, they all say Israel has been controlling the food into Gaza for many years already, barely enough for a human to survive. That is why the Gazans, after so many years of persecution, decided to fight back.

If the Gazans resist, why should Israel continue to permit food to enter? Starving them might be seen as the most effective way to weaken them and potentially take control of the land without facing retaliation.
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(27-05-2025, 08:15 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I appreciate how you inadvertently undermined your own argument. We have the Gospel from the time of Muhammad, and Muhammad himself affirms it. If the gospel he referred to isn't the one we have today, then that suggests people were reading a different version today or there are 2 books, for which there are no records or historical evidence of a new book

What exactly is written in the Injil? Show it to me. Does your article of faith require you to believe in a "lost gospel"? The burden of proof lies with Islam to provide evidence for the existence of the Injil because Islam makes the claim

The Injeel is what came out of the mouth of the Messiah, Jesus. He spoke the Injeel. 

No, you don't have the NT from the time of our Prophet today. We do not know what scriptures were there at that time, or even the language of the scriptures. If you study the history of the NT, you will not be easily fooled by these Christians who are trying so hard to falsify Islam. Know that Christians have been trying to falsify Islam for over 1400 years, starting from John in the 7th century. None has succeeded.
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(27-05-2025, 08:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If the Gazans resist, why should Israel continue to permit food to enter? Starving them might be seen as the most effective way to weaken them and potentially take control of the land without facing retaliation.

If they totally starved them to death, the world would be against them, as the world is against them today because they are doing exactly that. They are now throwing all their dice. They are at the last throes of their effort to take the holy land.

Let me tell you why they must get rid of the Arabs from that land. Its simple because of democracy. If they allow the Arabs to stay, they will not be able to rule Israel because the numbers of Arabs are overwhelming. And in a democracy, the majority rules. Even if the demographic is 50/50, they still would not be able to rule Israel.

That is why they must get rid of the Arabs. So, for over 7 decades, they have tried all sorts of persecution in trying to get the Arabs to leave. But they didn't take into account the resilience of the Arabs. Even when there don't have any weapons, they will fight with stones. They are the real David against Goliath.
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(27-05-2025, 08:25 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Injeel is what came out of the mouth of the Messiah, Jesus. He spoke the Injeel. 

No, you don't have the NT from the time of our Prophet today. We do not know what scriptures were there at that time, or even the language of the scriptures. If you study the history of the NT, you will not be easily fooled by these Christians who are trying so hard to falsify Islam. Know that Christians have been trying to falsify Islam for over 1400 years, starting from John in the 7th century. None has succeeded.

Jesus spoke the injil and it was written by his disciples...

We have scholars and historians who knew what the Christians during Muhammad's time were reading..it was the exact book we have today..it was not something new

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(27-05-2025, 08:25 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Injeel is what came out of the mouth of the Messiah, Jesus. He spoke the Injeel. 

No, you don't have the NT from the time of our Prophet today. We do not know what scriptures were there at that time, or even the language of the scriptures. If you study the history of the NT, you will not be easily fooled by these Christians who are trying so hard to falsify Islam. Know that Christians have been trying to falsify Islam for over 1400 years, starting from John in the 7th century. None has succeeded.

U moslems too falsified the Bible as corrupted lah

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(27-05-2025, 08:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  What you said in your first sentence is already telling a lot. Why is it that Israel can control what goes into Gaza?

And the report of UN, credible organisations like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, they all say Israel has been controlling the food into Gaza for many years already, barely enough for a human to survive. That is why the Gazans, after so many years of persecution, decided to fight back.

Fight back for what?
Now who suffers?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(27-05-2025, 08:30 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If they totally starved them to death, the world would be against them, as the world is against them today because they are doing exactly that. They are now throwing all their dice. They are at the last throes of their effort to take the holy land.

Let me tell you why they must get rid of the Arabs from that land. Its simple because of democracy. If they allow the Arabs to stay, they will not be able to rule Israel because the numbers of Arabs are overwhelming. And in a democracy, the majority rules. Even if the demographic is 50/50, they still would not be able to rule Israel.

That is why they must get rid of the Arabs. So, for over 7 decades, they have tried all sorts of persecution in trying to get the Arabs to leave. But they didn't take into account the resilience of the Arabs. Even when there don't have any weapons, they will fight with stones. They are the real David against Goliath.

The world seems to be against them now..whether they open the floodgates for food to come in or apologize, nothing will change..If they attempt to take down Gaza with one swift battle . they might face global condemnation, but eventually it will be forgotten and merely remembered as a historical incident.

If you feel compassion for the Gazans, then why are Muslim-majority countries not stepping up to support Palestine and challenge Israel? A united front among Muslim nations against Israel could potentially deter them.
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(27-05-2025, 03:56 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Isn't it racist that they call other races dogs because they consider them unclean? 

This is the problem when they think they are the superior race, the so-called "chosen people".

Heard that u moslems also called Chinese as pigs Babi

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(27-05-2025, 08:46 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Heard that u moslems also called Chinese as pigs Babi

That one is a Malay thing. Yes, there are racists among the Malays too.
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