[Ali Imran]

Cannot drink, cannot gamble..can only take drugs!
In a way, Islam is forcing moslems towards the most dangerous substances...why Islam don bạn drugs?

Why do you like to make claims on things you don't know? Why so dishonest?

Who said Islam don't ban drugs?

[pinkpanther]

So you mean their country of origin limits their personal development, and not Islam. Thank you for clearing that up. You made a mistake when you said Islam.

Islamic countries, meaning nations that follow the principles of Islam lah....are you drinking?

[pinkpanther]

Why do you like to make claims on things you don't know? Why so dishonest?

Who said Islam don't ban drugs?

Dishonest? If it is forbidden..why are moslems still taking drugs?

[Ali Imran]

Islamic countries, meaning nations that follow the principles of Islam lah....are you drinking?

Like Qatar? Or Oman? Or Kuwait? Or Brunei?

Do you see their citizens ever wanting to leave their country?

[Ali Imran]

Dishonest? If it is forbidden..why are moslems still taking drugs?

Drinking is forbidden? Do you still see Malays drinking? Gambling is forbidden. Do you see Malays gambling? So of course, you will see Malays who are supposed to be Muslims but are not following the Islamic guidance.

So, why do you like to make ignorant claims? Now you know why I call you an ignoramus.

[pinkpanther]

Drinking is forbidden? Do you still see Malays drinking? Gambling is forbidden. Do you see Malays gambling? So of course, you will see Malays who are supposed to be Muslims but are not following the Islamic guidance.

So, why do you like to make ignorant claims? Now you know why I call you an ignoramus.

You won't see moslem drinking and gambling..but you will see plenty of them in prison for drugs offences..

Are you still living in the past?

[pinkpanther]

Like Qatar? Or Oman? Or Kuwait? Or Brunei?

Do you see their citizens ever wanting to leave their country?

I am not concerned with which countries Moslems are fleeing from.. for example, in Europe, there is a noticeable influx of Moslems arriving... However, you will never see Europeans rushing to settle in Moslem-majority countries....

[Ali Imran]

You won't see moslem drinking and gambling..but you will see plenty of them in prison for drugs offences..

Are you still living in the past?

Plenty of Malays drinking. Plenty of Malays gambling. Plenty of Malays abusing substance.

Do Islam forbids all those? Yes.

Stop making ignorant claims. You want to live up to that name I gave you, is it?

[Ali Imran]

I am not concerned with which countries Moslems are fleeing from.. for example, in Europe, there is a noticeable influx of Moslems arriving...

Many economies in Europe are in dire need of cheap labor. So they invite people from other countries. Same with Singapore, inviting people from China, India, Philipines, to come and work here.

What's your point?

[Ali Imran]

However, you will never see Europeans rushing to settle in Moslem-majority countries....

Another ignorant claim.

Many Europeans, like Romanians or Greeks, will clamour to go into one of the rich Arab states, if they are allowed in. You're so ignorant.

[pinkpanther]

Many economies in Europe are in dire need of cheap labor. So they invite people from other countries. Same with Singapore, inviting people from China, India, Philipines, to come and work here.

What's your point?

My point is already clear.. Islam hinders personal progress and development. Just look at Singapore..are there many good jobs held by Moslems, I see plenty of them in ICA...maybe ICA allows thêm to pray as often as they like. However, when you visit Raffles the financial district, you’ll hardly notice a Malay presence....why?

[pinkpanther]

Another ignorant claim.

Many Europeans, like Romanians or Greeks, will clamour to go into one of the rich Arab states, if they are allowed in. You're so ignorant.

.. it is not going to out numbered the millions of moslems trying to get out lah...you are laughable

Since so many cheap moslems, why don the rich arab countries help their poor neighbors? Talk about charity...give jobs to their own faiths first mạh....

[Ali Imran]

My point is already clear.. Islam hinders personal progress and development. Just look at Singapore..are there many good jobs held by Moslems, I see plenty of them in ICA...maybe ICA allows thêm to pray as often as they like. However, when you visit Raffles the financial district, you’ll hardly notice a Malay presence....why?

Muslims don't like to be in the financial market where usury is rampant.

Usury is strictly forbidden in Islam, and it is a bigger thing than drinking. So, we get to another topic where an Islamic teaching solves a social problem that is plaguing modern society. 

Usury is also forbidden in Jesus's religion but Christians don't care about that. Why?

[Ali Imran]

.. it is not going to out numbered the millions of moslems trying to get out lah...you are laughable

Since so many cheap moslems, why don the rich arab countries help their poor neighbors? Talk about charity...give jobs to their own faiths first mạh....

Maybe they already have enough taxi drivers or plumbers.

Why are millions trying to get out of Syria? Because their country is collapsing. How come? We have to go into Middle East politics to understand, which involves the US and other Christian nations. 

Do the citizens of Kuwait or Qatar or Oman or Saudi ever want to leave their countries? The answer is no.

So, you need to be more informed. Ask first. Don't pretend you know.

[Ali Imran]

My point is already clear.. Islam hinders personal progress and development. 

So, how did Islam hinders personal progress and development? Don't use anecdotes like "No Muslims working in financial markets". Tell me which teachings of Islam will hinder personal progress and development.

[pinkpanther]

Muslims don't like to be in the financial market where usury is rampant.

Usury is strictly forbidden in Islam, and it is a bigger thing than drinking. So, we get to another topic where an Islamic teaching solves a social problem that is plaguing modern society. 

Usury is also forbidden in Jesus's religion but Christians don't care about that. Why?

Don’t try to shift the topic… nothing comes for free without something in return. Even companies and individuals need to survive. Are we back in Muhammad's time? Are you a kid who needs to be taught how the world works?

[Ali Imran]

Don’t try to shift the topic… nothing comes for free without something in return. Even companies and individuals need to survive. Are we back in Muhammad's time? Are you a kid who needs to be taught how the world works?

Why did God forbid usury? Are you so arrogant that you now think you know better than God?

[pinkpanther]

So, how did Islam hinders personal progress and development? Don't use anecdotes like "No Muslims working in financial markets". Tell me which teachings of Islam will hinder personal progress and development.

If the islamic countries are losing out to Western and Asian nations (non-Islamic nations) in terms of sciences, politics, economics, ethics, medicine, literature and so forth (e.g., List of Nobel laureates by country - Wikipedia).

Then it is obvious that Islam hinder personal progress and development...get it! Don make me repeat again!

[Ali Imran]

If the islamic countries are losing out to Western and Asian nations (non-Islamic nations) in terms of sciences, politics, economics, ethics, medicine, literature and so forth (e.g., List of Nobel laureates by country - Wikipedia).

Then it is obvious that Islam hinder personal progress and development...get it! Don make me repeat again!

Can you explain how come the early Muslims were the leading scientists of the world at that time? They were driven to excel in the fields of science and mathematics by their faith. Islam spurred them. 

So please don't repeat ignorant statements.

[pinkpanther]

Why did God forbid usury? Are you so arrogant that you now think you know better than God?

i think when you talk about usury, it means money lending...

is it forbidden now... absolutely not! Are you a kid..  if you need to buy a house and can't pay in full .the banks helps you with a small interest...what do you want to do? Tell them it is forbidden   companies have employees that need to be paid...are you kidding

[Ali Imran]

i think when you talk about usury, it means money lending...

is it forbidden now... absolutely not! Are you a kid..  if you need to buy a house and can't pay in full .the banks helps you with a small interest...what do you want to do? Tell them it is forbidden   companies have employees that need to be paid...are you kidding

Usury is lending money with interest. The punishment for usury in the Bible is death. So it is a very serious offence in God's eyes.

Do you think you know better than God?

[pinkpanther]

Can you explain how come the early Muslims were the leading scientists of the world at that time? They were driven to excel in the fields of science and mathematics by their faith. Islam spurred them. 

So please don't repeat ignorant statements.

I don know .People of different faiths excel in various things they do...like Indians are good at IT, the Chinese are good builders, the moslems are good in language, the jews are good with money

[pinkpanther]

Usury is lending money with interest. The punishment for usury in the Bible is death. So it is a very serious offence in God's eyes.

Do you think you know better than God?

That is loạn shark lah...but it doesn't apply to financial institutions..only money is god

[Ali Imran]

I don know .People of different faiths excel in various things they do...like Indians are good at IT, the Chinese are good builders, the moslems are good in language, the jews are good with money

So, were the early Muslim scientists, hundreds of them, who paved the way for the development of the world, were they hindered by Islam? LOL. They were spurred on in their quest for knowledge by their faith.

If you don't know, please ask.

[Ali Imran]

That is loạn shark lah...but it doesn't apply to financial institutions..only money is god

So you know better than God.

Okay noted.

[pinkpanther]

So, were the early Muslim scientists, hundreds of them, who paved the way for the development of the world, were they hindered by Islam? LOL. They were spurred on in their quest for knowledge by their faith.

If you don't know, please ask.

Yes, their progress was impeded by Islam, which is why it never advanced beyond that point. The beginning was promising, but it didn't last long.

[pinkpanther]

So you know better than God.

Okay noted.

When money takes precedence over God in the financial world, you can abandon your faith and ethics...it is survival of the toughest...

[Ali Imran]

Yes, their progress was impeded by Islam, which is why it never advanced beyond that point. The beginning was promising, but it didn't last long.

For like 1,000 years, they were spurred on by Islam to seek knowledge and they paved the way for technology in various fields like medicine, agriculture, or transportation, to name a few. And then, only in the last few centuries, they started lagging.

And you conclude that they were impeded by Islam, even though Islam was spurring them before that.

Do you think before you say stuff?

[Ali Imran]

When money takes precedence over God in the financial world, you can abandon your faith and ethics...it is survival of the toughest...

You can go that way with your "highly likely" faith in God taking a back seat.

We will stick with what God says.

[Ali Imran]

Paul did not teach to discard the commandments. While he emphasized salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, he did not advocate for ignoring or breaking the Ten Commandments. Paul's writings demonstrate a continued emphasis on obedience to God's laws, including the Ten Commandments, within the context of the Christian faith. 


Paul's teachings highlighted that salvation is a gift from God, not earned through adherence to the law. This understanding doesn't mean the law is irrelevant; it emphasizes that salvation is not achieved by following the law as a means to an end.
Law as a guide:
Paul saw the Ten Commandments as a guide to righteousness, a reflection of God's character and a standard by which to measure our actions.

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭31‬ ‭KJV

When I ask Christians why they are not keeping to the commandments like the dietary law or the Sabbath, they will quote Paul's words. So that means, the reason why Christians are no longer keeping the commandments is because Paul taught them that they don't need to keep the commandments. It is a curse, he said.

Does Paul fit the description of a man who taught people to discard the commandment? Based on the answers I get from almost all Christians, yes.