[Lukongsimi]

Nothing to do with me. I don't believe what Christians believe.

Pink is trying to explain to me what he believes about God so I'm trying to understand his faith.

Until u mati u also don’t wish to understand what trinity means 
U have argue for  decades but never wins

[Ali Imran]

According to the Bible, the Ishmaelites were not worshiping Yahweh God. Their alliance with nations that worshiped Baal suggests that they were also worshiping the false god Baal. Both Muslim and non-Muslim sources state that Hubal was recognized as the chief presiding deity of the Kabah

That is true. 

The Ishmaelites were polytheists. They worshipped many gods. All that stopped when they were sent the final messenger of God, صلي الله عليه وسلم. After that, they became monotheistic, strictly monotheistic.

[Lukongsimi]

If the descendants of Ishmael don't worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, would the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob call them a great nation?

U don’t know what the great nation means don’t anyhow guess lah

[Ali Imran]

U don’t know what the great nation means don’t anyhow guess lah

According to the Bible, a great nation in the sight of God is one where the people believe in God and obey His commandments.

[Lukongsimi]

According to the Bible, a great nation in the sight of God is one where the people believe in God and obey His commandments.

Moslems obey ten commandments? U sure?

[Ali Imran]

Moslems obey ten commandments? U sure?

We are talking about the principles, what is a great nation in the sight of God.

So, a nation that doesn't worship God and obey His commandments cannot be called a great nation, correct?

[Lukongsimi]

That is true. 

The Ishmaelites were polytheists. They worshipped many gods. All that stopped when they were sent the final messenger of God, صلي الله عليه وسلم. After that, they became monotheistic, strictly monotheistic.

How come your last prophet teachings not same as Bible prophets?
Two different path !

[Lukongsimi]

That is true. 

The Ishmaelites were polytheists. They worshipped many gods. All that stopped when they were sent the final messenger of God, صلي الله عليه وسلم. After that, they became monotheistic, strictly monotheistic.

How come your last prophet teachings not same as Bible prophets?
Two different path !
Kaaba still worship idol kissing the black stone which is not God

[Ali Imran]

How come your last prophet teachings not same as Bible prophets?
Two different path !

You can say that. But the core teachings are the same, like worshiping God alone and being obedient to His commandments.

[Ali Imran]

How come your last prophet teachings not same as Bible prophets?
Two different path !
Kaaba still worship idol kissing the black stone which is not God

We don't worship the Kaaba or the black stone.

[Lukongsimi]

We don't worship the Kaaba or the black stone.

Why need to go all the way to Mecca round the Kaaba and kiss the black stone ?
For what purposes?

[Lukongsimi]

You can say that. But the core teachings are the same, like worshiping God alone and being obedient to His commandments.

This commandment exists in the ten ?

Why does Allah forbid Muslims to be friends with Christians and Jews in Quran 5:51 (“Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends, for they are friends of each other. Whoever takes them for a friend is a sinner.”)?
That is why the 2 moslems love to attack n called us names!

[Ali Imran]

Why need to go all the way to Mecca round the Kaaba and kiss the black stone ?
For what purposes?

It is not compulsory to kiss the black stone. 

Going round the Kaaba 7 times is known as Tawaf, a ritual that predates Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم. The history of this is unclear to me but it is not a coincidence that the Jews also have a miniature Kaaba, which they call a phylactery, and it comes with a leather strap, which they must wrap 7 times around their forearm. This wrapping around 7 times is also known as Tawaf but in Hebrew language.

[Ali Imran]

This commandment exists in the ten ?

Why does Allah forbid Muslims to be friends with Christians and Jews in Quran 5:51 (“Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends, for they are friends of each other. Whoever takes them for a friend is a sinner.”)?
That is why the 2 moslems love to attack n called us names!

I can be friends with Jews and Christians.

I can even marry a Jewish or Christian lady.

[Lukongsimi]

I can be friends with Jews and Christians.

I can even marry a Jewish or Christian lady.

Very shrewd u marry them to trick them into your religion.lol

[Lukongsimi]

It is not compulsory to kiss the black stone. 

Going round the Kaaba 7 times is known as Tawaf, a ritual that predates Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم. The history of this is unclear to me but it is not a coincidence that the Jews also have a miniature Kaaba, which they call a phylactery, and it comes with a leather strap, which they must wrap 7 times around their forearm. This wrapping around 7 times is also known as Tawaf but in Hebrew language.

No such kaaba  in the Bible 

The Israelites marched round the walls of Jericho 7 days in order to conquer the city 
Yours is 7 times round the black stone weird

[pinkpanther]

Remember you said a great nation in the sight of God is where the people worship God and obey His commandments?

Is that true of the US?

South America ..almost all of them..

[pinkpanther]

I can be friends with Jews and Christians.

I can even marry a Jewish or Christian lady.

But then the Jew or christian will need to convert to a muslima...can you convert to a Christian?

[Ali Imran]

Very shrewd u marry them to trick them into your religion.lol

If I marry a Christian lady, she doesn't have to convert to Islam. The only condition is that she must be chaste.

[Ali Imran]

No such kaaba  in the Bible 

The Israelites marched round the walls of Jericho 7 days in order to conquer the city 
Yours is 7 times round the black stone weird

Is eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood weird to you?

[Lukongsimi]

Is eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood weird to you?

Only eat biscuit and drink red wine not the real thing what is so weird ?
Yours is kiss the black stone with so many other saliva on it very unhygienic Can cause Corvid or other sickness

[Lukongsimi]

If I marry a Christian lady, she doesn't have to convert to Islam. The only condition is that she must be chaste.

Don’t dream 
If a Christian lady marry a married moslem even allowed 4 wives is considered adultery in NT
because the wife is still living

[pinkpanther]

If I marry a Christian lady, she doesn't have to convert to Islam. The only condition is that she must be chaste.

Where can I find this condition from the Quran?

[pinkpanther]

If I marry a Christian lady, she doesn't have to convert to Islam. The only condition is that she must be chaste.

Can your wife put a condition that you cannot have more than 1 wife?

[Ali Imran]

Only eat biscuit and drink red wine not the real thing what is so weird ?
Yours is kiss the black stone with so many other saliva on it very unhygienic Can cause Corvid or other sickness

No, it is not mandatory to kiss the black stone. I have never done that.

The idea of Eucharist, is it weird?

[Ali Imran]

Can your wife put a condition that you cannot have more than 1 wife?

Yes can.

[Ali Imran]

Don’t dream 
If a Christian lady marry a married moslem even allowed 4 wives is considered adultery in NT
because the wife is still living

The point is that you said Muslims are taught to hate Christians. The fact that I'm allowed to marry a Christian lady means what you said is false.

[Lukongsimi]

The point is that you said Muslims are taught to hate Christians. The fact that I'm allowed to marry a Christian lady means what you said is false.

How can it be false written in your Koran ?if so your Koran is false

Why does Allah forbid Muslims to be friends with Christians and Jews in Quran 5:51 (“Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends, for they are friends of each other. Whoever takes them for a friend is a sinner.”)?
Take as friend is already a sinner
What if take as wife ?

Pachik claims the Quran is false

[Lukongsimi]

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted


The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

[pinkpanther]

How can it be false written in your Koran ?if so your Koran is false

Why does Allah forbid Muslims to be friends with Christians and Jews in Quran 5:51 (“Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends, for they are friends of each other. Whoever takes them for a friend is a sinner.”)?
Take as friend is already a sinner
What if take as wife ?

Pachik claims the Quran is false

Allah should say: 'Treat Jews and Christians as your brothers, for they worship Me in their own way. If you accept them as friends, you will be close to Me. However, if you compel them to convert to Islam, impose jizya upon them, or harm them, you will be condemned in the dark pit.'"