[luncheonmeat]

No, I beg to differ. The Holy Trinity is not explicitly found in the Bible ergo it is not clearly defined. I repeat my argument. If the Holy Trinity is clearly defined in the Bible, it would not take many decades and many debates in many ecumenical councils to decide on the right kind of The Holy Trinity. Even after all that, there was still plenty of dissension, which carries on till today. Yes, the Unitarian church is very active today.

Do study the history. You will see that I am not making all that up.

 A Christian [simple explanation] is one who believes that Christ died to save their [royal plural pronoun] soul and has been baptised in the name of God, the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit [aka the Holy Trinity].  If a person does not profess to have the faith in both tenets, then they [royal pronoun] are not a Christian.   

What the Unitarian Church thinks or believes is out of my circle of reference. Perhaps you, as a Sunni Muslim, [correct me if I got it wrong] are also interested in the dogma of Shia Islamism, what some remote party believes however holds no interest for me so maybe you should discuss this with the Unitarian believer.

As a Christian I have already provided stare in your face answers where the Holy Trinity has been described in the New Testament and also alluded to in the Old Testament albeit cryptically. Not everyone is going to understand nor accept the verses as you and the other Muslim bros have shown. 

Maybe to you and the other Muslims here Islam is the only one true religion and all other religions are not worthy of profound contemplation, or maybe you have been conditioned to interpret the Koran simply and logically hence you believe the Christian Bible should be the same. Whatever the case, I and many of the other Christian bros here have already tried our best to answer your qns. If it still makes no sense to you, you should seek God for his truth, and that is my sincere answer to you. 

6Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. 7Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.…

[Hope]

For you to have eternal life, an innocent man was made to pay for your sin. Are you okay with that?

They should have adopted a practice to kill their first born child to get their family‘a sin wipeout.
Like Abraham wanted to kill his son to prove his allegiance to God.

[Oyk]

For you to have eternal life, an innocent man was made to pay for your sin. Are you okay with that?

He was not an ordinary man.  He was a Man Whom God would raise from the dead, a miracle first reported in the news about Lazarus.  I trust that you will not add the word "fake" before the word "news" above. 

But there's a difference.  Lazarus eventually died while Christ will never die, and that resurrection unto eternal life is yours to claim too, if only you would do a few things:  one, stop arguing;  two, deal with your ego and pride; and three, pray to God to open your eyes, and I don't mean reciting the Quran....pray to God the Father, not directly as someone here said, but end your prayer in Jesus' Name.

The second one is the hardest to do, so pray for that as well, get down on both knees if you must.  Can you do that?  

[Ali Imran]

He was not an ordinary man.  He was a Man Whom God would raise from the dead, a miracle first reported in the news about Lazarus.  I trust that you will not add the word "fake" before the word "news" above. 

But there's a difference.  Lazarus eventually died while Christ will never die, and that resurrection unto eternal life is yours to claim too, if only you would do a few things:  one, stop arguing;  two, deal with your ego and pride; and three, pray to God to open your eyes, and I don't mean reciting the Quran....pray to God the Father, not directly as someone here said, but end your prayer in Jesus' Name.

The second one is the hardest to do, so pray for that as well, get down on both knees if you must.  Can you do that?  

My question is about how you feel about it.

You did wrong but instead of paying for your own mistakes, an innocent man was made to pay for your mistake. You okay with that?

[Oyk]

They should have adopted a practice to kill their first born child to get their family‘a sin wipeout.
Like Abraham wanted to kill his son to prove his allegiance to God.

All firstborns, tenthborn, hundredthborn, lastborn are born of the seed of a man.

None is good enough to pay for the penalty for sin because the blood is blemished.

Only a Man born not of the seed of a man, ie Jesus, is good enough because He does not have the Sin of Adam.  You need to remember, Adam was created without blemish.  In order to redeem Man, it has to be Someone who is without blemish.  

This is not an earthly transaction like you sell me something for $50.10 and I give you a fifty dollar note, then search for a ten-cent coin, but don't have it, and you say to me, never mind, it's OK.  This is a price that must be paid because it is a spiritual matter involving our eternality that is either going to be spent in hell or with God.  You cannot pay for something perfect with something that's almost perfect.  Even if it is 99.9999999% perfect, it is still not good enough.

[Oyk]

Aiyo.. tell you already that they won't be able to answer that. Why are you so persistent?

I noted that you are here to troll, and you got into some quarrels with a few members here when they tried to correct you. 

I shall not mince my words, and tell it like it is, that is, you are puffed up with pride, and your EGO is so huge that you shant listen to good counsel.  

You said that the Bible is nothing more than a compilation of carvings found on caves, and that's a lot of carvings for a Bible that's pretty thick lorh.

Your findings, wherever you found those "carvings" in your trip to Israel, are final, as far as you are concerned, and no one here is allowed to challenge them, and if he does, he will be sent to your "Ignore List"

If you think that over billions of lifetimes, you can perfect yourself to reach "Enlightenment", a state in which you will never be reborn aka a state where you CEASE to exist, no one can stop you...if vanishing into thin air is your idea of "Enlightenment" and you think you can then say "I am now a Buddha!", now, I would like to invite you to read on....

Proverbs 14:12-16 KJV

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death. 

[Oyk]

brother brother please
Christ DID NOT died for me and you


He dies for MY SINS (Our SINS)

For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever.
Amen.

OK, you are getting into semantics.  I did not think I needed to be lawyer-sharp with my words.  The Pharisees were, when they tried to entrap Jesus but they did not know they were talking LAW with the One who gave the LAW to Moses.  Hahaha!

OK lorh! you are right. No one realised that saying that Christ died for us was grammatically and technically incorrect.  He died for our Sin....

And here, I wish to point out to you that He did not die for our sins (in the plural) which you wrote, or else He would have to die over and over, but for the Original Sin.  Through Adam, Sin entered the world, through Christ, the penalty for Sin was paid.  As we are sinners because we are born with that spiritual DNA, we commit all sorts of sins.  God has dealt with this issue at source.  Hallelujah!

[WhatDoYouThink!]

Since you insist he died for your sins, you shd repent more and do less sins, or else 对不起他老人家

So what sins have you committed so far today?

[Oyk]

sorry, no righteous... " for all have sin and fall short of the glory of God"  where got right????

all wrong,,, dead wrong...

This is why there is not a single person who can say "I do not need Christ's death on the Cross because I am righteous, I can enter heaven on my own, I can talk to God directly."

No one means no one whether his name is Hope, Fancy Panty, Ali the Imam, Muhammed, Gautama, or Oyk.  I did not say this.  The Bible said it.

[Oyk]

My question is about how you feel about it.

You did wrong but instead of paying for your own mistakes, an innocent man was made to pay for your mistake. You okay with that?

How do I feel about it?

I feel eternally grateful.  I also feel humbled because it was not just the miracle of the resurrection, which a mortal like me has no power to perform, but the infinite wisdom God demonstrated in defeating Satan.

You see.  The First Commandment was given to A&E. That was the law, the first law.  Do not eat the fruit on that tree.  Break the law, and you shall die.

Satan fooled Eve, and Adam ate the fruit because his wife gave it to him.  It is not recorded that the devil spoke to Adam and had him fooled.  He listened to his wife and disobeyed God's injunction.  Eat = Death.

Are you with me so far?

Satan won!  Eat = Death, and God cannot backtrack on His Word!  

Then entered Jesus, God in the flesh, born not of the seed of a man, hence, without the original sin.  His Death would settle the debt, and FULFIL THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW. Satan lost!  We may now live!  In our earthly language, we can say that God had the last laugh. Hallelujah!

God has the power to raise the dead back to life, first demonstrated in the news about Lazarus, and then reported again on the 3rd day when Christ appeared before the disciples including Doubting Ali...I mean Thomas.

God's ability to raise Christ from the dead assures us that we too would be raised from the dead unto eternal life....or eternal death.  The choice is yours to make.

[grotesqueness]

I wish to point out to you that He did not die for our sins (in the plural) which you wrote, or else He would have to die over and over,

hey
you cock eyes

it is written in Galatians 1:4

ESV version
who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father

and the
NLT version

Jesus gave his life for our sins, just as God our Father planned, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live



and why kind of COCK EYES you suffering from? HUH!

[Oyk]

GST is to help the poor. PAP said it so it must be true. 
Singapore was a fishing village. It is true. Why? Cos PAP said it.

Do not do a Satan on me, please.  Satan likes to change a word here and there, just as he did when lying to Eve.  Did God really say that????  He put a thought, a doubt in Eve's mind.

DPM Wong did not say that the GST increase was to help the poor.  You said it.

He said that the increase was needed to fund increasing and future healthcare costs that would be incurred because we have become an AGED society.  If we have more young peepur working and paying taxes, both income tax and GST, and the elderly are a small minority, we don't have a problem.  

But when it's the other way round due to our low TFR which has reached 0.94, and the elderly don't pay income tax because they retired or are unable to work, hardly spend on fashion and food, so very little GST collection from them, and when they go to a government horsepeter or polyclinic, GST is WAIVED, who pays?

A lot of "netizens" are unhappy about the GST hike.  Lots of them in edmw.  Lots of Malaysians pretending to be Singaporean netizens, trying to make enough noise for Lawrence Wong to hear....Singaporeans get GST Rebates, they don't ma.

Btw, is it raining in Skudai now?  It's raining here.

[Oyk]

hey
you cock eyes

it is written in Galatians 1:4

ESV  version
who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father

and the
NLT version

Jesus gave his life for our sins, just as God our Father planned, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live



and why kind of COCK EYES you suffering from? HUH!

[grotesqueness]

[Oyk]

Adam listened to his wife even to the point of breaking God's injunction.

Many a parent's heart was broken when a man got married and listened to his wife, and in not a few cases, went against them and even abandoned them.

Dynasties fell because of a woman.

Men run into trouble with law because of sexual offences against a woman like rape, or molestation...

No wonder the word Eve was extended to Evil.

[WhatDoYouThink!]

https://youtu.be/4ZmpCDtfKA0?si=HcrrBqdmu3PgDW4n

[grotesqueness]

Adam listened to his wife even to the point of breaking God's injunction.

Many a parent's heart was broken when a man got married and listened to his wife, and in not a few cases, went against them and even abandoned them.

Dynasties fell because of a woman.

Men run into trouble with law because of sexual offences against a woman like rape, or molestation...

No wonder the word Eve was extended to Evil.

HEAVEN has no been made yet

ALL THESE THINGS MUST HAPPENED BEFORE HEAVEN IS MADE

cause in heaven ALL THESE THINGS, THESE SINS will not happened in heaven

that why Earth and it SINS will end

the power and the glory forever and ever

HEAVEN has no SINS nor those with SIN still in THEM
 

ALL THESE THINGS MUST HAPPENED BEFORE HEAVEN IS MADE

[pinkpanther]

Wah..oyk single handedly took care of business for his father ....I'm proud of you my son   give you a 👍

[Oyk]

HEAVEN has no been made yet

ALL THESE THINGS MUST HAPPENED BEFORE HEAVEN IS MADE

cause in heaven ALL THESE THINGS, THESE SINS will not happened in heaven

that why Earth and it SINS will end

the power and the glory forever and ever

HEAVEN has no SINS nor those with SIN still in THEM
 

ALL THESE THINGS MUST HAPPENED BEFORE HEAVEN IS MADE

Well said.

Rather abstract but I got your point.

[Oyk]

Wah..oyk single handedly took care of business for his son ....I'm proud of you, papa   give you a 👍

Told you to jiak yiok, and you went to jiak yok.

And now you are in a delirious state of mind because you took yok instead of yiok.

And you call me papa.  

[pinkpanther]

[Ali Imran]

How do I feel about it?

I feel eternally grateful.  I also feel humbled because it was not just the miracle of the resurrection, which a mortal like me has no power to perform, but the infinite wisdom God demonstrated in defeating Satan.

You are not going to take responsibility for your own wrongdoings? You don't mind that an innocent man will be made to pay for your mistakes? You don't care about that?

That is just selfish to me. You don't care about Jesus. You only care about your own skin.

[cheekopekman]

You are not going to take responsibility for your own wrongdoings? You don't mind that an innocent man will be made to pay for your mistakes? You don't care about that?

That is just selfish to me. You don't care about Jesus. You only care about your own skin.

Don't waste time arguing with people who don't believe lah!  Cannot force them lah!

[S I M T A N]

Suppose, hypothetically, that you were given the choice between living in eternal damnation and ethereal heights, which would you choose? Most people would want to save their butt out of fear. If you are a God-loving believer, you'll believe God is love. The purest form of love is selflessness. Agape love is the highest form of love, a term referring to the type of eternal, unconditional love used to describe God's divine love for all mankind. It surpasses motherly love, the deepest human love that exists.

Christians believe they've been loved with a Agape love and blessed beyond measure. Humans were doomed for all eternity, that's until Christ the Redeemer came to sacrifice himself on the cross and provide salvation for all. There's no question of selfishness on the part of man due to the human reciprocal love for God.

[Ali Imran]

Suppose, hypothetically, that you were given the choice between living in eternal damnation and ethereal heights, which would you choose? Most people would want to save their butt out of fear. If you are a God-loving believer, you'll believe God is love. The purest form of love is selflessness. Agape love is the highest form of love, a term referring to the type of eternal, unconditional love used to describe God's divine love for all mankind. It surpasses motherly love, the deepest human love that exists.

Christians believe they've been loved with a Agape love and blessed beyond measure. Humans were doomed for all eternity, that's until Christ the Redeemer came to sacrifice himself on the cross and provide salvation for all. There's no question of selfishness on the part of man due to the human reciprocal love for God.

We read in the Bible that God's love is not unconditional. In a few places, we read of some personalities that God hates and that is clear enough proof that God's love is conditional.

What I find troubling about the Christian concept of atonement is the injustice. How can an innocent man be made, unwillingly I must add, to pay for the guilty?

[pinkpanther]

Verily, Allah and His angels pray (yusalloona) for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation! S. 33:56 Palmer

Who is Allah praying to? Jesus? 
If Allah needs to pray then he is not the highest order..

[Oyk]

You are not going to take responsibility for your own wrongdoings? 

Sorry, I am not a Buddhist.  If you want to talk about taking responsibility, kindly look for Bastardlo2.  Hopefully, he doesn't get screwed up when talking about KARMA and say that the sutras are a compilation of scribblings on caves, which he did with the Bible.   

[Oyk]

Verily, Allah and His angels pray (yusalloona) for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation! S. 33:56 Palmer

Who is Allah praying to? Jesus? 
If Allah needs to pray then he is not the highest order..

The Buddhists like bastardlo2 will tell you that heaven is just a realm.  Muhammad was probably a good man, but if there were unsettled issues from previous lifetimes, those negative KARMA you know, then Buddhahood would have to wait.  In many lifetimes between the 7th and 20th centuries, he had been reborn over and over but no one knew it was him because he might not have been reborn in the Middle East or even look the same.  Who knows, he may be Ali's son which is not quite a bad thing, but it would be bad if he were Donald Trump. .

Or he might have become a god in one of the six realms, but if he did not behave himself, he would be reborn into a lower realm - man, animal, hungry ghost...that's according to bastardlo2's teachings.

[Oyk]

What about Jesus? He said to pray directly to the Father.

"Our Father art in heavens"

Do you say this prayer?  Since you kept repeating that we must obey Jesus, peace be upon "him", you should say this prayer every morning right.  

[Oyk]

Need to bring it to a vet if it does this often.  Could be an infection.