[Oyk]

It's sad to meet so many young people these days who tell me that they have no time or haven't found someone suitable to date because of their long working hours or their less than attractive earnings.  It's often been said that if we don't meet a compatible other half by the time we graduate from tertiary studies, we probably won't meet anyone once we begin working.

When I was young, women of my generation already worked.  I did not ask all the women out there....most are grandmothers liao...........but I suspect that it was like this:

1.  Men went out to work.....for a career.  You need money to start a family right.

2.  Women staying at home did not make sense.  How to meet men, unless we went back to an ancient system of matchmaking?  So, they went out to work, not for a career, or career development, but to be seen.  As soon as they were snapped up, married, and the kids came along, they resigned and became full-time mothers and homemakers.

What changed?

Well, women got better and better educated, and they could get mighty good jobs wor. The money was good, damn good wor. So, they could not bear to resign from their jobs.  They began to place work highest on their list of To-Do while a husband and chewren can wait...
 
A good salary comes with long hours and heavy responsibilities.  Even the women, not just the men, have no time to look for a partner, not to mention make appointments for dates.

Online Chat on a dating site
John  :  Sally, you free this Saturday?  

Sally :  No, I have to work...Got to rush up this report for next Monday's department heads meeting.  How about next Saturday?  

John  :  Oh, next Saturday, I am flying to Shanghai to meet an ATB client.  

Sally :  OK, good bye.


Bonus Enteratianment
Observer:  Never mind lar, can ownself fap 

KILLjoy:  Or pump my own mommy.  I do that all the time.   

[Bigiron]

1. Menopause
2. Osteoporosis

You all still want ? 
Not sure what is her past lifestyle? 
Or how she get money from when she is not acting?

[Bigiron]

[Oyk]

She might have Osteoporosis issues....

From what you wrote, I can tell for a FACT that you have it. 

[Oyk]

Take calcium tablets, eat calcium-rich food like tofu....milk is also good.

And be on your feet more, instead of sitting or lying in bed all day long.  I see more and more boomers who actually CAN walk riding PMAs.  And they speed with it.  This is very bad for their bones and strength.  You must walk, and even if you need a walking frame, continue to walk.

[KILLjoy]

[EvertonDiehard]

Well, women got better and better educated, and they could get mighty good jobs wor. The money was good, damn good wor. So, they could not bear to resign from their jobs.  They began to place work highest on their list of To-Do while a husband and chewren can wait...
A good salary comes with long hours and heavy responsibilities.  Even the women, not just the men, have no time to look for a partner, not to mention make appointments for dates.

I know of one such attractive woman whom I once dated in JC who remains single in spite of still looking easily 10 years younger than her actual age today. Her 1 lament is being too picky in her younger days, and remaining single into her 50s. 

[S I M T A N]

Ann Kok is no spring chicken, that's for sure. At the age of 50, many say she's past it as a demure young actress. That's very true also. The screen goddess has been variously described as a versatile actress, a model and a hostess of talk shows. Some of the adjectives used to describe one of S'pore's most recognizable faces are "captivating," "eloquent," "sophisticated" and "well-dressed." On that score, the Mediacorp star will give younger and budding actors a run for their money.

Apropos of Ann's personal life, it's hard to believe her claim that "I don't even have any suitors." Even Jernelle Oh, the show host, was skeptical. Ann told the audience that the younger men who dated her felt intimidated in her company. Yeah, they could have a sneaking admiration for the goddess and stared at her in starstruck awe while finding her intimidating. That's only half the story told. There are certain things that we do not know about because they weren't revealed to us.

When pressed for more details, Ann smiled coyly and replied, "I won't tell you!" That sounds seductive. It left the viewers and netizens "even more intrigued about her personal life." Yea, the whole intriguing idea is to continue making people want to know more about her love life. Intriguing fans is bound to hold their interest in the star and perhaps prolong her popularity as well. Some show business personalities have been known to keep proclaiming they're the perpetual bachelor, or spinster. Knowing their idol remains unattached is a wonderful feeling for the fans. But if the reverse happens - that is their idol attaches themself to someone else - I can visualize a lot of downcast faces and desertions of their idol.

I have a feeling Ann Kok has no lack of men chasing her, given her tremendous popularity, beauty, and seductive charm. There's no doubt in my mind she is a prized catch for any man wanting a piece of her, never mind the menopausal thing.

[S I M T A N]

It's often been said that if we don't meet a compatible other half by the time we graduate from tertiary studies, we probably won't meet anyone once we begin working.

Romantic relationships often develop between co-workers.

[Oyk]

I know of one such attractive woman whom I once dated in JC who remains single in spite of still looking easily 10 years younger than her actual age today. Her 1 lament is being too picky in her younger days, and remaining single into her 50s. 

Chances are she will remain single into her 60s, then 70s all the way till her time in this world is up.

Even if she did not continue her studies at a university, her having attended a JC already placed her above the men who only had a Sec 4 or lower education.  She didn't have a lot of men to be picky over, considering that if she is in her 50s now, then she belongs to a time when if she threw a brick at a crowd, she was not so likely to hit a graduate unlike today. 

It's different today.  Today, if a woman says, I will only marry a university graduate, there are plenty to pick from lor.  But then again, today's women place "work" highest up on their To-Do list.  Both men and women are well educated, earning lots, and have no time to even surf dating sites, and when once in a while they did surf it, follow up with whoever happened to respond..

[Oyk]

Ann Kok is no spring chicken, that's for sure. At the age of 50, many say she's past it as a demure young actress. That's very true also. The screen goddess has been variously described as a versatile actress, a model and a hostess of talk shows. Some of the adjectives used to describe one of S'pore's most recognizable faces are "captivating," "eloquent," "sophisticated" and "well-dressed." On that score, the Mediacorp star will give younger and budding actors a run for their money.

Apropos of Ann's personal life, it's hard to believe her claim that "I don't even have any suitors." Even Jernelle Oh, the show host, was skeptical. Ann told the audience that the younger men who dated her felt intimidated in her company. Yeah, they could have a sneaking admiration for the goddess and stared at her in starstruck awe while finding her intimidating. That's only half the story told. There are certain things that we do not know about because they weren't revealed to us.

When pressed for more details, Ann smiled coyly and replied, "I won't tell you!" That sounds seductive. It left the viewers and netizens "even more intrigued about her personal life." Yea, the whole intriguing idea is to continue making people want to know more about her love life. Intriguing fans is bound to hold their interest in the star and perhaps prolong her popularity as well. Some show business personalities have been known to keep proclaiming they're the perpetual bachelor, or spinster. Knowing their idol remains unattached is a wonderful feeling for the fans. But if the reverse happens - that is their idol attaches themself to someone else - I can visualize a lot of downcast faces and desertions of their idol.

I have a feeling Ann Kok has no lack of men chasing her, given her tremendous popularity, beauty, and seductive charm. There's no doubt in my mind she is a prized catch for any man wanting a piece of her, never mind the menopausal thing.

Spring chicken.

She's certainly no longer one.  Where I live, there is a secondary school nearby.  Every day, I could see schoolgirls either coming to school or going home.  Those who would be sitting for their O levels this year...age 16, and next year would be in JC 1 or Poly 1, they are spring chicken any which way one wishes to define that term.

Ann is not only way older than these girls, but even older than most of their teachers!  And the school principal! 

[EvertonDiehard]

Chances are she will remain single into her 60s, then 70s all the way till her time in this world is up.
Even if she did not continue her studies at a university, her having attended a JC already placed her above the men who only had a Sec 4 or lower education.  She didn't have a lot of men to be picky over, considering that if she is in her 50s now, then she belongs to a time when if she threw a brick at a crowd, she was not so likely to hit a graduate unlike today. 

This former classmate graduated from NUS, had a wonderful career and has enough to retire in her 50s.  I guess hindsight is 20/20.  She thought that having a successful career, wealth and power would satisfy her, so she didn't need a man if he didn't tick all the right boxes.  Now she feels the loneliness without a family as she contemplates retirement looming in about a decade.    

[EvertonDiehard]

Romantic relationships often develop between co-workers.

Based on my experience, not many companies frown on romantic relationships among co-workers unless one is in a supervisory position to the partner.

[Lukongsimi]

Too late to start a family and might have to support her partner

[KILLjoy]

[S I M T A N]

This former classmate graduated from NUS, had a wonderful career and has enough to retire in her 50s.  I guess hindsight is 20/20.  She thought that having a successful career, wealth and power would satisfy her, so she didn't need a man if he didn't tick all the right boxes.  Now she feels the loneliness without a family as she contemplates retirement looming in about a decade.    

Much as one would like to hook this lady up with a man with marriage in mind, I think it's going to be very difficult. It looks like a lost cause for this workaholic, in the twilight of her career, when it comes to getting hitched.  A woman is incomplete without a man, and vice versa.

Women today want some of the things that men have -- money, power, prestige, cars, material goods, etc. The only way to get these things, other than marrying money, is to achieve financial independence. In doing so, women also cop some of the things that men suffer, such as work stress, the pressures of work, burn out, heart attack, insufficient time for leisure.

In a world where life is lived at breakneck pace and where dual incomes is terribly important in this inflationary period, many a woman's personal life has been subordinated to her career. Modern women face the challenge of combining a career with motherhood. They can't have a proper work-life balance by working 12 hours a day, can they?

[S I M T A N]

Spring chicken.

She's certainly no longer one.  Where I live, there is a secondary school nearby.  Every day, I could see schoolgirls either coming to school or going home.  Those who would be sitting for their O levels this year...age 16, and next year would be in JC 1 or Poly 1, they are spring chicken any which way one wishes to define that term.

Ann is not only way older than these girls, but even older than most of their teachers!  And the school principal! 

The term "spring chicken" has a metaphorical as well as a literal meaning. "No spring chicken" - a phrase in popular usage - is used humorously to draw a laugh, and is laughingly referred to someone who is no longer young.

Your metaphorical description of giggly schoolgals as spring chickens amused me. Honestly, I like your witty quips and sometime gentle humour of your posts.

My wife's Christian name is Ann, no relation to the evergreen Ann Kok from Mediacorp. I told her the other day she's no spring chicken, like her famous namesake from Mediacorp. She quipped that though she's only slightly younger than the gorgeous mediacorp artist, she is still a spring chicken as she's happily married and is still turning heads on the streets. She added that she's so unlike Ann Kok who's still single, still without a marriage proposal, and is well and truly a "no spring chicken."

Well, this chicken thingy isn't an easily definable term. Like you said, pretty much is left up to your own interpretation. That can be maddeningly subjective.

[Oyk]

The term "spring chicken" has a metaphorical as well as a literal meaning. "No spring chicken" - a phrase in popular usage - is used humorously to draw a laugh, and is laughingly referred to someone who is no longer young.

Your metaphorical description of giggly schoolgals as spring chickens amused me. Honestly, I like your witty quips and sometime gentle humour of your posts.

My wife's Christian name is Ann, no relation to the evergreen Ann Kok from Mediacorp. I told her the other day she's no spring chicken, like her famous namesake from Mediacorp. She quipped that though she's only slightly younger than the gorgeous mediacorp artist, she is still a spring chicken as she's happily married and is still turning heads on the streets. She added that she's so unlike Ann Kok who's still single, still without a marriage proposal, and is well and truly a "no spring chicken."

Well, this chicken thingy isn't an easily definable term. Like you said, pretty much is left up to your own interpretation. That can be maddeningly subjective.

Who was that troll who called you "Lady"?  He'd passed away?  I believe he's nowhere near 70.  Prolly in his 50s or early 60s, and transitioning to spring corpse status at that age is a pity for some, but good riddance for him.  

Old age is either looked forward to (though not for its health issues) or dreaded.  For many, the thought of retiring with a  nest of golden eggs, and the ability to travel around the world, and jiak ah jiak ah, has been the subject of long-running threads in other forums.  They call it FIRE if they can even start on that journey before old age sets in.  For the men, the thoughts included piak ah piak ah.

Unrealistic as it is, the thoughts did not include long waits at polyclinics for their monthly or quarterly blood tests and doctor consultations, and big bags of medicine for diabetes, high blood pressure and cholesterol, the usual.   Not a few also had some tubes of methyl salicylate for their arthritis.

For the women, the thoughts would not include being piak ah, being piak ah! although jiak ah jiak ah is not far from their mind. It's in their mind, in fact....

These are the thoughts of young people who think they can do in old age what they can now.  They don't look at their parents' bodies, and ask, will I become like that?

I digressed.

The thought of being old is dreaded by women, and they are the reason for the existence  - and profitability - of multi-billion dollar businesses that sell anything from facial lotions and creams of every variety to plastic surgery of every description.

Old age has been arbitrarily marked out at the age of 60.  The consolation is to say, it's still spring. At 80, it should be deep winter ba. PAP said we should live to 80 or 84 on average, so 80 has to be about right.

But hang on.  Although the official age for "old age" is 60....you pay discounted prices for meals at many places, and discounted fares for travel on buses/mrt from that age onwards, many women have their own cut-off for old age.  At 35, they'd say they are old if single.  If they have a kid attending primary one, that's a young mother.  At 50, when the kid is 23 and in his final year in medical school, she would be the envy of Ann Kok, who shant say she's a spring chicken.  

[K88 shu shu]

if can pumping her full tank nightly will not regret even life shorten by 10 yrs.

[sgh]

Much as one would like to hook this lady up with a man with marriage in mind, I think it's going to be very difficult. It looks like a lost cause for this workaholic, in the twilight of her career, when it comes to getting hitched.  A woman is incomplete without a man, and vice versa.

I call above BS lar. In this world there exist monks and nuns please explain that ?

[Blasterlord2]

I call above BS lar. In this world there exist monks and nuns please explain that ?

Yep, absolute BS. There is no such thing in this world as who needs who, or who is incomplete without who.

[S I M T A N]

Who was that troll who called you "Lady"?  He'd passed away?  I believe he's nowhere near 70.  Prolly in his 50s or early 60s, and transitioning to spring corpse status at that age is a pity for some, but good riddance for him.  

The problem is that these fellas do not know our gender and they anyhow address us using a wrong-sex term of address, as if our names are mud. Even worse, they make us out to be poofters in close proximity to each other. And they thought they could embarrass us, but the joke is on them.

I'm not too bothered by all these frivolities; in fact, I don't even need to do anything to counter anything that put me in a bad light. That's because readers are a discerning lot. When they see the stupidity of their words and deeds, they just shake their heads.

[S I M T A N]

I call above BS lar. In this world there exist monks and nuns please explain that ?

Sorry, I ain't a monkish man and therefore I am at a loss to explain why monks and nuns can be "complete" without a soul mate, if that's what you mean. By soul mate I mean a husband or a wife. Maybe they feel or are actually "complete" after taking vows of chastity and poverty and after renouncing the material world in favour of inner peace and calm. Good for them, I do not frown upon their monkish way of life, and I wish them well. Perhaps you can offer a better explanation.

For me, taking a vow of celibacy is a fate worse then death. The simple reason is, I can't live without a woman and sex. Thus, exchanging wedding vows is terribly important to me. Speaking only for myself, I believe in the institution of marriage. Shortly after God created Adam, He said it wasn't good for a man to be alone. He then created Eve, using a rib from Adam, to be his companion, and told them to go forth and multiply.

I've found that doing God's will has brought big dividend in terms of happiness in marriage. I have enjoyed many years of marital bliss and family life. My wife and I are perfect soul mates. Human beings, birds, fish, reptiles, mammals, insects have a natural instinct to procreate. Birds do marry, but they do not have the elaborate ceremony that we do. Since men and women are made for each other, why don't we complete the sentence and say they should be joined together in holy matrimony?

[Oyk]

The problem is that these fellas do not know our gender and they anyhow address us using a wrong-sex term of address, as if our names are mud. Even worse, they make us out to be poofters in close proximity to each other. And they thought they could embarrass us, but the joke is on them.

I'm not too bothered by all these frivolities; in fact, I don't even need to do anything to counter anything that put me in a bad light. That's because readers are a discerning lot. When they see the stupidity of their words and deeds, they just shake their heads.

I can see that you are doing this to those buggers...

[Oyk]

Sorry, I ain't a monkish man and therefore I am at a loss to explain why monks and nuns can be "complete" without a soul mate, if that's what you mean. By soul mate I mean a husband or a wife. Maybe they feel or are actually "complete" after taking vows of chastity and poverty and after renouncing the material world in favour of inner peace and calm. Good for them, I do not frown upon their monkish way of life, and I wish them well. Perhaps you can offer a better explanation.

For me, taking a vow of celibacy is a fate worse then death. The simple reason is, I can't live without a woman and sex. Thus, exchanging wedding vows is terribly important to me. Speaking only for myself, I believe in the institution of marriage. Shortly after God created Adam, He said it wasn't good for a man to be alone. He then created Eve, using a rib from Adam, to be his companion, and told them to go forth and multiply.

I've found that doing God's will has brought big dividend in terms of happiness in marriage. I have enjoyed many years of marital bliss and family life. My wife and I are perfect soul mates. Human beings, birds, fish, reptiles, mammals, insects have a natural instinct to procreate. Birds do marry, but they do not have the elaborate ceremony that we do. Since men and women are made for each other, why don't we complete the sentence and say they should be joined together in holy matrimony?

From biblical times since Genesis to today, Man has/had a heavy burden.  Adam's Job Description ain't easy but he was given an IQ that had declined over the years...for some a lot, and for others less, but I guess it was pretty high, perhaps higher than Einstein and Newton combined, to be given the enormous tasks that God gave to him.

Eve was created to be a helper.  She was not told to do waht Adam was.  She was just a helper. But todya's Eves want to do today's Adams' jobs and that is causing a lot of problems for the institution of marriage if it even gets there. Many remain outside that institution ie are single.

And Eve was intended to be a companion that cows, goats, elephants...could not.

Women weren't mentioned a lot in the Bible but whenever and wherever they were, it had to do with obedience, disobedience, death, and redemption.

1.  Eve was the first woman and was given to Adam for his wife.  Disobedience and the Fall.

2.  Mary the woman chosen to give birth to Jesus.  Obedience and redemption.

3.  King David.  Sent his general to the frontline to be killed in battle in order to marry his widow.  Disobedience.  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife!

The Apostle Paul understood men and women, the need for companionship and sex just as they were created.  However, he also said that if you can, it is good to be celibate ie single, so that you can devote all your time to God.  You don't need to think about coming home, not too late, because a wife needs you and is waiting, and so also the chewren.  You have all the time to serve God.

What went really wrong then and now is same-sex marriage, and even without the "marriage", same-sex sex is an abomination to God. All Christians who have read the Bible for some time would know about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We see lots of those in lvlrsSTI's SgTak between his user ids viz. Observer and Killjoy, but for some reason which would embarrass him, he decided to type Oyk and SimTan on his peektures but we know he is acting out his desires with our user names.  

[KILLjoy]

[KILLjoy]

[Observer]

Lust is a strong feeling of sexual desire.

Lust isn't a dirty word. If someone has the skills to make the other party satisfied that's wonderful
Lust stems from the amounts of testosterone that men possess in great abundance and that stimulates the desire for sex. That's the reason Oyk sticks with me. A continual high dose of sperms keeps Oyk coming for more.

[S I M T A N]

I can see that you are doing this to those buggers...

Feeding hard-bitten trolls as we all know is self-defeating while not feeding them is the epitome of good sense. Still, for just this once I felt compelled to tell some hard home truths to give a full picture of what's going on.

[S I M T A N]

From biblical times since Genesis to today, Man has/had a heavy burden.  Adam's Job Description ain't easy but he was given an IQ that had declined over the years...for some a lot, and for others less, but I guess it was pretty high, perhaps higher than Einstein and Newton combined, to be given the enormous tasks that God gave to him.

Eve was created to be a helper.  She was not told to do waht Adam was.  She was just a helper.  But todya's Eves want to do today's Adams' jobs and that is causing a lot of problems for the institution of marriage if it even gets there.  Many remain outside that institution ie are single.

And Eve was intended to be a companion that cows, goats, elephants...could not.

Women weren't mentioned a lot in the Bible but whenever and wherever they were, it had to do with obedience, disobedience, death, and redemption.

1.  Eve was the first woman and was given to Adam for his wife.  Disobedience and the Fall.

2.  Mary the woman chosen to give birth to Jesus.  Obedience and redemption.

3.  King David.  Sent his general to the frontline to be killed in battle in order to marry his widow.  Disobedience.  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife!

The Apostle Paul understood men and women, the need for companionship and sex just as they were created.  However, he also said that if you can, it is good to be celibate ie single, so that you can devote all your time to God.  You don't need to think about coming home, not too late, because a wife needs you and is waiting, and so also the chewren.  You have all the time to serve God.

What went really wrong then and now is same-sex marriage, and even without the "marriage", same-sex sex is an abomination to God. All Christians who have read the Bible for some time would know about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We see lots of those in lvlrsSTI's SgTak between his user ids viz. Observer and Killjoy, but for some reason which would embarrass him, he decided to type Oyk and SimTan on his peektures but we know he is acting out his desires with our user names.  

Thanks for explaining things from the Christian perspective and on behalf of the two questioners who were sceptical about something they didn't clearly specify. For all I know, cynical folks say there's no such thing as true love, and some are too much of a cynic to see the benefits of marriage.

Anyway, many believers consider it a point of honor to serve God. For the more spiritualized, they'll go to extreme lengths to do God's work. Some enter the priesthood with an unwavering dedication to God, and others enter the ministry of God to assume other roles on a full-time or part-time basis.

It usually starts off when a believer feels a calling to serve God. He'll constantly pray in earnest, seeking God's guiding hand and ask Him for the right direction towards a career in His ministry. Pastoral duties, preaching, teaching, singing in the choir, administrative tasks, missionary work are some of the vocations servants of God take, many of whom dedicate their energy, time, their lives to serving the Maker of all things.