[Lukongsimi]

[Lukongsimi]

”And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”“
‭‭Mark‬ ‭3‬:‭22‬-‭29‬ ‭NIV

[Lukongsimi]

”My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.“
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NIV

[Lukongsimi]

[Ali Imran]

And I say to you, if you pray to Jesus, the message cannot be from satan...even in dreams... 

You cannot say " oh it could be the devil in your dreams" 

Does satan want you to pray to the creation instead of the Creator? Yes.

Is that what you're doing? Yes.

[luncheonmeat]

Does satan want you to pray to the creation instead of the Creator? Yes.

Is that what you're doing? Yes.

Then why are you using verses from the bible which you believe is filled with theological flaws and forgeries to defend your own faith? Aren't you very confused yourself?

Some of the Muslims believers in this forum also suggested that the bible is tainted by whispers of satan, [which incidentally was the quote used in the preface of Salman Rushdie's infamous book abt a certain topic that got him a fatwa calling for his death.]

[Ali Imran]

Then why are you using verses from the bible which you believe is filled with theological flaws and forgeries to defend your own faith? Aren't you very confused yourself?

Some of the Muslims believers in this thread also suggested that the bible is tainted by whispers of satan, [which incidentally was the prefaced quote in Salman Rushdie's infamous book abt a certain topic that got him a fatwa calling for his death.]

We use the Quran as the criteria for truth when we read the Bible because we believe the Quran is 100% the verbatim word of God. 

We believe the Bible is tainted but that doesn't mean there is no truth in the Bible. The Shema found in the Bible for example, we believe is true and we accept it because the Quran says the same. So, we have a way to filter out the truth in the Bible. We use the Quran as the criteria.

Most Christian scholars believe the Bible is tainted too. So how would they know how to discern the truth from falsehood?

[Oyk]

I have no issue if you don't believe Prophet Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم) was a messenger of the God of Israel. We are all free to believe whatever we want to believe. You can shout at the top of your voice that you disbelieve he was a prophet also it won't matter to me. Let's get that out of the way.

Then you went on and alluded that our prophet got the Quran from satan or the devil instead of the angel Gabriel. The same EXACT accusation was thrown at Jesus by the Pharisees, accusing Jesus of being under possession by Beelzebub. What was Jesus's reply? Awesome reply and I will use the same reply when you alluded that our prophet received the Quran from the devil. 

Read Mark 3.

You may claim that you have no issue with his not believing Muh.  In Singapore, most of us are still Taoists cum Buddhists and not Christians.  There are also Hindus.  All of them don't believe Muh. There's nothing you can do about it.  The government allows freedom of worship.  And you avoided mentioning Satan and the Devil in para one.  You only said "Don't believe Muh".

Then, and now the PUNCH in the face comes.

In the next para, you wrote, and I quote:   Then you went on and alluded that our prophet got the Quran from satan or the devil 
Unquote

After that, you continued to lead him on and tried to act as if you were only interested in discussing, you could rise above everything, and mentioned the Pharisees, Beelzebub.  The thing is Singapore's ISD is not going to blabber about Mark 3, if a house is divided, bla bla bla. 

As this is an open forum, a Malay Muslim who is not even a SgTalk member could report him.  Any Malay Muslim.

As cunningly as you had phrased your words above, you were also very careful to not say that Paul was a liar and a false prophet sent by Satan.  You only led us to say it by cherry-picking verses from the Bible.  In any case, you were/are posting from behind a VPN.

[pinkpanther]

We use the Quran as the criteria for truth when we read the Bible because we believe the Quran is 100% the verbatim word of God. 

We believe the Bible is tainted but that doesn't mean there is no truth in the Bible. The Shema found in the Bible for example, we believe is true and we accept it because the Quran says the same. So, we have a way to filter out the truth in the Bible. We use the Quran as the criteria.

Most Christian scholars believe the Bible is tainted too. So how would they know how to discern the truth from falsehood?

Again you win liao lor....
Quoting from the Bible to defend your Muslim faith...
.don't let Allah know... is the quran so inadequate that you need to find the truth from the Bible.. 

If there are truth about the Bible.. you should use the truth to make all mankind united,not divided...tiok boh..,here you say there is truth then you say there are many contradictions....what games are you playing?

[Ali Imran]

You may claim that you have no issue with his not believing Muh.  In Singapore, most of us are still Taoists cum Buddhists and not Christians.  There are also Hindus.  All of them don't believe Muh. There's nothing you can do about it.  The government allows freedom of worship.  And you avoided mentioning Satan and the Devil in para one.  You only said "Don't believe Muh".

Then, and now the PUNCH in the face comes.

In the next para, you wrote, and I quote:   Then you went on and alluded that our prophet got the Quran from satan or the devil 
Unquote

After that, you continued to lead him on and tried to act as if you were only interested in discussing, you could rise above everything, and mentioned the Pharisees, Beelzebub.  The thing is Singapore's ISD is not going to blabber about Mark 3, if a house is divided, bla bla bla. 

As this is an open forum, a Malay Muslim who is not even a SgTalk member could report him.  Any Malay Muslim.

As cunning as you had phrased your words above, you also were very careful to not say that Paul was a liar and a false prophet sent by Satan.  You only led us to say it.  In any case, you were/are posting from behind a VPN.

I reiterate. I don't believe Paul was a liar when he said Jesus came to him. 

VPN is too leceh to use.

[Ali Imran]

Again you win liao lor....
Quoting from the Bible to defend your Muslim faith...
.don't let Allah know... is the quran so inadequate that you need to find the truth from the Bible.. 

If there are truth about the Bible.. you should use the truth to make all mankind united,not divided...tiok boh..,here you say there is truth then you say there are many contradictions....what games are you playing?

No, I don't need the Bible for my faith. Most Muslims don't even read the Bible. 

If you worship one God, we will unite. That is what I have been telling you all along, worship the One true God.

[Oyk]

I have attended megachurches like New Creation, the non-denominational Church of S'pore in Marine Parade, a Methodist church in Marsiling, Lighthouse Evangelist, a Pentecostal church, and a house (a euphemism for underground) church in China. We may have denominational differences, but we don't fight over our differences. What we do have in common is that we are unified by the core foundational beliefs of Christianity that include the Trinity, Creationism, the deity of Christ, what His death on the Cross accomplished, His resurrection from the grave and his Second Coming. There's no denying that we do have differing views on issues such as worship styles, the kind of worship music, how our church should be governed plus certain aspects of church life, but so long as the fundamental tenets of Christianity remain intact there's no cause for worry, and that's what matters most.

Christ's Death and Resurrection is central to all of Christianity.  He is also The Son of God......this was revealed at Jesus' baptism.  "Behold this is my beloved Son!"

Ali will repeat ad infinitum "Son of Mary" and not say "Son of God"  Indeed, "son of Mary" can be found in the Bible but it was said in a different context, which Ali gingerly ignored to mislead those who didn't know the context.

As to Christ's Death, it did not happen.  Who said so?  Allah said so.  How do you know?  Allah told Muh.  Really? Of course!  Muh said Allah told him.  Not only that, Muh said that Allah also told him that Jesus ain't the second person of the Godhead!  No such thing! 

And lastly, Allah said that he, Muh, is the last and greatest prophet!  If you need proof, read the Quran.  It's all there, whatever Muh said that Allah said to him.  And from the Bible, Deuteronomy 18: 18 will be quoted.  It had been quoted thousands of taims by now, even hundreds of thousands of taims.

Deuteronomy 18:18, KJV

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

[luncheonmeat]

No, I don't need the Bible for my faith. Most Muslims don't even read the Bible. 

If you worship one God, we will unite. That is what I have been telling you all along, worship the One true God.

Very naive if idealistic argument. This is just like claiming Islamism is  one harmonious, religious body when it has been divided into a number of factions.
Judaism shares the same dogma as  Muslims yet the world is at the brink of global war because of the avowed enmity btwn the 2.


ps. Christianity is also a monotheistic religion. There is 1 God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a part of him.

[Oyk]

I reiterate. I don't believe Paul was a liar when he said Jesus came to him. 

VPN is too leceh to use.

1.  Do you believe that Paul was a false prophet?

2.  Do you believe that the doctrine of salvation through Christ's Death and Resurrection is satanic?

Let's see how you are going to wiggle again with words.

But I shall let it pass, if you choose to pretend not to have seen this post, or forget to reply to it....or just refuse to reply with a yes/no.

[theold]

Christians and Muslims cannot live together. Then embrace Buddhist lor. It is a better religion. But I'm not one of them.

[Lukongsimi]

”For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9‬:‭6‬ ‭NIV

[Lukongsimi]

Christians and Muslims cannot live together. Then embrace Buddhist lor. It is a better religion. But I'm not one of them.

We only worship the God we  believe can give us eternal life 😊

[Blasterlord2]

Both sides also 半斤八两。

[Lukongsimi]

Satan Allowed to Test Job

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[a] also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.” 8 And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” 9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? 10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

[Ali Imran]

1.  Do you believe that Paul was a false prophet?

2.  Do you believe that the doctrine of salvation through Christ's Death and Resurrection is satanic?

Let's see how you are going to wiggle again with words.

But I shall let it pass, if you choose to pretend not to have seen this post, or forget to reply to it....or just refuse to reply with a yes/no.

1. I believe God did not send Paul. I believe Jesus did not send Paul. I cannot say he was a false prophet because he didn't make that claim. 

2. I believe your doctrine of salvation is false but I won't go so far as to say it is satanic.

[Ali Imran]

Very naive if idealistic argument. This is just like claiming Islamism is  one harmonious, religious body when it has been divided into a number of factions.
Judaism shares the same dogma as  Muslims yet the world is at the brink of global war because of the avowed enmity btwn the 2.


ps. Christianity is also a monotheistic religion. There is 1 God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a part of him.

All Muslims can stand shoulder to shoulder and worship the One true God. There are factions or heretical groups but they constitute a small percentage, like 5%. So no, we are not divided. 

The current war is not between Judaism and Islam. That is false. The war is between Zionists and Palestinians.

[Hope]

Very naive if idealistic argument. This is just like claiming Islamism is  one harmonious, religious body when it has been divided into a number of factions.
Judaism shares the same dogma as  Muslims yet the world is at the brink of global war because of the avowed enmity btwn the 2.


ps. Christianity is also a monotheistic religion. There is 1 God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a part of him.

Sikh religion is more monotheistic than Christianity.However It is not an Abrahamic faith.

[Ali Imran]

Christ's Death and Resurrection is central to all of Christianity.  He is also The Son of God......this was revealed at Jesus' baptism.  "Behold this is my beloved Son!"

Ali will repeat ad infinitum "Son of Mary" and not say "Son of God"  Indeed, "son of Mary" can be found in the Bible but it was said in a different context, which Ali gingerly ignored to mislead those who didn't know the context.

The son of God title is not unique to Jesus. Many were given the same title, like King David and others. 

But son of Mary is unique to Jesus. Nobody else has such a name, where the mother's name is used to identify the person. Unique only to him.

[Ali Imran]

Sikh religion is more monotheistic than Christianity.However It is not an Abrahamic faith.

Oh yes.. I never thought of that. It's true coz I know a bit about Sikhism.

[Oyk]

1. I believe God did not send Paul. I believe Jesus did not send Paul. I cannot say he was a false prophet because he didn't make that claim. 

2. I believe your doctrine of salvation is false but I won't go so far as to say it is satanic.

Good wiggle. 

So God didn't send Paul because you say so, but you cannot say he was a false prophet because he did not say he was a prophet.

Meanwhile Muh is a prophet. Why? He made that claim. That's your logic.

And the doctrine of salvation is false but isn't Satanic. And it's also not from God. So I suppose Paul was nothing more than a storyteller like Charles Dickens or Dennis Wheatley.

Twist and turn.

[Oyk]

The son of God title is not unique to Jesus. Many were given the same title, like King David and others. 

But son of Mary is unique to Jesus. Nobody else has such a name, where the mother's name is used to identify the person. Unique only to him.

I wrote Son of God with a capital letter for S. I am sure you noticed that. 

Christians are called children of God but I wouldn't say I am the Son of God.

Do you wish to be a son of God? Yes or no will do. No need to do a twist. 

[Ali Imran]

I wrote Son of God with a capital letter for S. I am sure you noticed that. 

Christians are called children of God but I wouldn't say I am the Son of God.

Do you wish to be a son of God? Yes or no will do. No need to do a twist. 

Who told you that it must be translated with a capital S?

[Oyk]

Who told you that it must be translated with a capital S?

When referring to God I would use the capital letter for the first alphabet. So it's Son and not son. If you have a problem with that, that's your problem not mine.

[Lukongsimi]

[luncheonmeat]

We use the Quran as the criteria for truth when we read the Bible because we believe the Quran is 100% the verbatim word of God. 

We believe the Bible is tainted but that doesn't mean there is no truth in the Bible. The Shema found in the Bible for example, we believe is true and we accept it because the Quran says the same. So, we have a way to filter out the truth in the Bible. We use the Quran as the criteria.

Most Christian scholars believe the Bible is tainted too. So how would they know how to discern the truth from falsehood?

The bible is centuries older than the Koran, the NT written some time after the death of Christ. If historians want to learn abt the happenings of a time and place, they look to the records written around that time and place, not centuries later and thousands of miles away by someone who dreamt it in a cave.
 If 'Christian scholars' found fault/forgeries etc in the bible, these issues would have been brought to the forefront and rectified by now via the hundreds and thousands of biblical scholars who had and have devoted their lives studying the bible.