[Oyk]

You drag my mother through the mud here and you want me to help you?

Lol!

Nao you are using your mother...hiding behind her to wiggle away? 

Why don't you just admit that Jay was right after all? 

[Oyk]

According to Jay, the Quran is also not the word of God wor.

What did he say?  As follows....

How can someone who lived thousands of miles from where Muh was born and died, and over a hundred years after his death even know what Muh said, other than writing down a Quran that's based on hearsay?  The hadiths were even later, as long as three hundred years after Muh died.   That's like someone living in South Korea telling you that he heard that your great great greeeeat grandfather who lived in Muar three hundred years ago....he said this, that and the other, and his favourite fruit was the Buah Duku, and he said that it's okay to eat pork satay.  You believe?

Next, you'd argue that the Quran was memorized.  But Jay had found various versions of the Qurans still in circulation, but the manuscripts were destroyed.  Why?  So which Quran was memorised?

Carbon dating revealed some inconvenient things you shant like to read so I will spare you for nao.

Suffice to say it that it was.....horror of horrors!  Science!  it was discovered that words were erased, written over, edited, changed....eew!  did Jibril suddenly discover that he told Muh the wrong things, or did Allah have to tell subsequent writers to do the corrections because they memorized the wrong things?

And what took it so long for the Quran to be written down?  The Islamic world was by no means a small one in the seventh century.  There was not a single person who knew how to write?  You think they were all a bunch of illiterate kampung...erm desert dwellers who did not know how to write Arabic?  Cannot be right.

I have done my part to tediously write down what Jay said in his beedio (only some of it) again.  Are you gentleman enough to nao reply, after I did what you ordered me to do? 

All Muslim scholars, without exception, since 1,400+ years ago, believe the Quran is the verbatim word of God.

You are free to believe Jay Smith who doesn't even know Arabic over the hundreds of thousands of Muslim scholars.

I wrote so much, as ordered, and you had said you would be glad to reply.

But your reply was to delete my points, almost my entire post, and just do a personal attack on Jay's linguistic ability?  So all of us must study Hebrew, Greek, Aramic, Arabic and make sure we score A1 to discuss at this Speakers Corner?  Wow!  Another Ee Mun antic at play wor!

[Oyk]

Ee Mun told me to not be a Christian.

Then he does not clarify my doubts about Islam which Jay Smith caused.

I am nao left with nothing.

Are you hepyi nao, Ee Mun?

[Oyk]

Who ever commits major sins will abide in hell forever.
Number one Major sins is associating partners with God who created this universe.

I thought Islam said that hell is temporary.  Pink already repeated that point, you did not see?

Btw, this temporary thing is similar to the Roman Catholic belief that you will go to hell forever if it is a mortal sin, and not if it is a minor sin (or venial sin).

One of the mortal sins would be blasphemy, and for saying that Jesus is merely a prophet who is lesser than Muh, you committed a mortal sin. It's not so much saying He's lesser than Muh, but denying the divinity of Jesus.

[Hope]

I thought Islam said that hell is temporary.  Pink already repeated that point, you did not see?

Btw, this temporary thing is similar to the Roman Catholic belief that you will go to hell forever if it is a mortal sin, and not if it is a minor sin (or venial sin).

One of the mortal sins would be blasphemy, and for saying that Jesus is merely a prophet who is lesser than Muh, you committed a mortal sin. It's not so much saying He's lesser than Muh, but denying the divinity of Jesus.

Surely, Allah does not forgive associating anything with Him, and He forgives whatever is other than that to whomever He wills} (An-Nisaa’ 4: 48)

[pinkpanther]

Surely, Allah does not forgive associating anything with Him, and He forgives whatever is other than that to whomever He wills} (An-Nisaa’ 4: 48)

Surah 10:94

So if you are in doubt of what We have revealed to you, then ask those who (have been) reading the Book before you. Verily, has come to you the truth from your Lord, so (do) not be among the doubters.

If you don understand the quran, you can refer to the Bible....I think Ah Lee does not understand the quran much!

[Ali Imran]

I thought Islam said that hell is temporary.  Pink already repeated that point, you did not see?

Btw, this temporary thing is similar to the Roman Catholic belief that you will go to hell forever if it is a mortal sin, and not if it is a minor sin (or venial sin).

One of the mortal sins would be blasphemy, and for saying that Jesus is merely a prophet who is lesser than Muh, you committed a mortal sin. It's not so much saying He's lesser than Muh, but denying the divinity of Jesus.

How can it be blasphemy to say Jesus is a prophet when twice in the Gospels Jesus inferred that he is indeed a prophet?

Btw, believing Jesus is God, if wrong, goes directly against the very first commandment, the foremost of them all, the commandment that Hope said if you break, you will be eternally in hell.

[pinkpanther]

How can it be blasphemy to say Jesus is a prophet when twice in the Gospels Jesus inferred that he is indeed a prophet?

Btw, believing Jesus is God, if wrong, goes directly against the very first commandment, the foremost of them all, the commandment that Hope said if you break, you will be eternally in hell.

Tell that to the 200 Gazans that have seen Christ in their dreams!

[Hope]

Surah 10:94

So if you are in doubt of what We have revealed to you, then ask those who (have been) reading the Book before you. Verily, has come to you the truth from your Lord, so (do) not be among the doubters.

If you don understand the quran, you can refer to the Bible....I think Ah Lee does not understand the quran much!

https://youtu.be/-I0iuBmYpqU?si=FJxchgfrGF1lZ08h

[Oyk]

How can it be blasphemy to say Jesus is a prophet when twice in the Gospels Jesus inferred that he is indeed a prophet?

Btw, believing Jesus is God, if wrong, goes directly against the very first commandment, the foremost of them all, the commandment that Hope said if you break, you will be eternally in hell.

Jesus was crucified, (and died on the Cross) because the "learned" Jews said they heard him committing blasphemy by claiming to be God.

On the contrary, denying the divinity of Jesus is blasphemy.

Btw, why is it that when you are requested respectfully to rebut Jay's assertions about the Quran, you need your mother but when it comes to bashing the bible, suddenly she is not needed, and you can talk directly to me wor.  You have already done everything to get me to throw the Bible away, so why do you need to still mock and taunt leh?  I nao have an online Quran with me, but you don't want to help me become a Moslem.

[pinkpanther]

Jesus was crucified, (and died on the Cross) because the "learned" Jews said they heard him committing blasphemy by claiming to be God.

On the contrary, denying the divinity of Jesus is blasphemy.

Btw, why is it that when you are requested respectfully to rebut Jay's assertions about the Quran, you need your mother but when it comes to bashing the bible, suddenly she is not needed, and you can talk directly to me wor.  You have already done everything to get me to throw the Bible away, so why do you need to still mock and taunt leh?  I nao have an online Quran with me, but you don't want to help me become a Moslem.

Ah Lee pbuh does not help you to turn to moslem....his job is to turn you against Christ!
He is OK if you become a Buddhist or a Hindu!

[Oyk]

https://youtu.be/-I0iuBmYpqU?si=FJxchgfrGF1lZ08h

He wasn't hunched.  He stood up straight on stage pontificating, mocking and taunting.  Yet, the last decade of his life was like God silencing him.  You know what his life was like before he died, do you not?

If he was speaking God's word and doing the work of God to lead peepur away from the satanic faith that's Christianity, I can understand if Christians tried to kill him, or they threw stones and shoes at him.  But whatever happened to him was not caused by men, not Christians.  Enuf said.

[Hope]

He wasn't hunched.  He stood up straight on stage pontificating, mocking and taunting.  Yet, the last decade of his life was like God silencing him.  You know what his life was like before he died, do you not?

If he was speaking God's word and doing the work of God to lead peepur away from the satanic faith that's Christianity, I can understand if Christians tried to kill him, or they threw stones and shoes at him.  But whatever happened to him was not caused by men, not Christians.  Enuf said.

He did preaching for 50 years.Did  God wait until his late seventies to punish him?
He didn’t go to any universities. Do you know how did he learn all this?

[Oyk]

Ah Lee pbuh does not help you to turn to moslem....his job is to turn you against Christ!
He is OK if you become a Buddhist or a Hindu!

That sounds like the work of Satan.  

Satan is happy to leave you alone if you believe anything other than Christ.  Christianity is the only religion in the world which had been attacked, left, right and centre.  Why is Satan so worried about peepur becoming Christians but not Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems....?

[pinkpanther]

That sounds like the work of Satan.  

Satan is happy to leave you alone if you believe anything other than Christ.  Christianity is the only religion in the world which had been attacked, left, right and centre.  Why is Satan so worried about peepur becoming Christians but not Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems....?

Ah Lee is no angel! The tactic the adversary uses as a means to distort our view of God’s truth is to introduce doubt in our minds. He said Jesus is no god wor...but it is OK Ali...Christ is all forgiving...one day you will cry infront of Christ and admit your wrongs!

[singaporean1964]

ali is not a buddhist lah
ali is a bodoh lah LOL

[Oyk]

Ah Lee is no angel! The tactic the adversary uses as a means to distort our view of God’s truth is to introduce doubt in our minds. He said Jesus is no god wor...but it is OK Ali...Christ is all forgiving...one day you will cry infront of Christ and admit your wrongs!

He will say that he respects Prophet Jesus pbuh because the Quran mentioned him. He will say that he believes that Jesus' birth pbuh was a miracle...and he was a messiah because the Quran said all those. 

And Muhammad pbuh is the greatest and last prophet because the Quran said so. 

But when Jay produced materials taken from the works of scholars and historians, who by the way could speak and read *Arabic* and Jay himself has a Masters degree in Islamic studies and a PhD in Islamic polemics, he attacked the messenger instead of the message. 

He gives the impression that he is not only in denial but is eating his own words when he earlier sat on the high horse telling us that we are not to have blind faith but must believe based on knowledge. Right.

Then when knowledge of the Quran, Hadith and Muh are presented to him, he does not do as he preached wor. 

The things which Jay spoke about are the stuff of scholars. Ee Mun's only attempt at apologetics is to say that hundreds of thousands of Islamic scholars believe that the Quran is the word of Allah so it must be correct. Taken to its illogical conclusion, what's there to stop Hindus and Taoists from using a similar "scholar" argument?

[Oyk]

He did preaching for 50 years.Did  God wait until his late seventies to punish him?
He didn’t go to any universities. Do you know how did he learn all this?

He started preaching when he was ten? Am I getting my arithmetic wrong?

[Hope]

He started preaching when he was ten? Am I getting my arithmetic wrong?

He started learning Old and New Testament when he was 16.

[Oyk]

He started learning Old and New Testament when he was 16.

He was undoubtedly an intelligent man. He was able to know about God but didn't know God. If only Jay's work had appeared on taim, he might have ended up being neither a Christian nor a Moslem.

[Oyk]

He did preaching for 50 years.Did  God wait until his late seventies to punish him?
He didn’t go to any universities. Do you know how did he learn all this?

Have you watched this?  It's only an hour long.  You can watch it lying in bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40DclW84HkM

[pinkpanther]

He is learning the Bible. That is why he can quote.Who knows if he converts to Christianity one day.
I focus on learning and memorising the Quran.

I am glad that you are on the right track affirming and strengthening your faith thru the Quran! The same cannot be said about your buddy! 

[Lukongsimi]

All the Christians believe that so that CANNOT be the narrow gate Jesus was talking about because Jesus said most cannot find this narrow gate.

Tio boh?

U r not the follower of Christ n yet u claim u know the narrow gate?
Narrow gate is u have to give up everything deny yourself pick up the cross n follow Christ. Are you doing it? No?

[Oyk]

Btw, believing Jesus is God, if wrong, goes directly against the very first commandment, the foremost of them all, the commandment that Hope said if you break, you will be eternally in hell.

The 1st Commandment would indeed be broken if I say that Allah is God.

"Thou shalt not have any other god before Me.”

To me Yahweh and Allah are not one and the same. The God of the Bible is triune. The Allah of the Quran is someone else.

[Lukongsimi]

No, I am never angry here.

Can sense u r angry calling us abusers n disrespectful 
If not u will keep quiet n smile 😊

[Ali Imran]

Can sense u r angry calling us abusers n disrespectful 
If not u will keep quiet n smile 😊

No, I am never angry here. I highlighted the disrespectful manner of the few Christians here to show you how a Muslim, despite the abuse, remains calm and composed, maintaining civility in the discussion.

[Ali Imran]

The 1st Commandment would indeed be broken if I say that Allah is God.

"Thou shalt not have any other god before Me.”

To me Yahweh and Allah are not one and the same. The God of the Bible is triune. The Allah of the Quran is someone else.

Who told you God is triune? Do you know when the current version of the Trinity became official? New Testament scholars in the past 100 years have done a remarkable job of putting it all together such that we can tell when right down to the exact dates.

[Lukongsimi]

No, I am never angry here. I highlighted the disrespectful manner of the few Christians here to show you how a Muslim, despite the abuse, remains calm and composed, maintaining civility in the discussion.

U mock Christians already show u r a big bully cannot keep calm for decades.

[Hope]

Have you watched this?  It's only an hour long.  You can watch it lying in bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40DclW84HkM

I can watch this weekend

[Lukongsimi]

Who told you God is triune? Do you know when the current version of the Trinity became official? New Testament scholars in the past 100 years have done a remarkable job of putting it all together such that we can tell when right down to the exact dates.

See ! argue again n teach us what is right 
aren’t u a bully?