[Lukongsimi]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/n...group-says

[Lukongsimi]

Recently

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202312124517

[Hope]

Judgement day u will know lah

Is it like betting Toto?You will know the results only after the draw.
Betting is risky. If you lose, you will not be bankrupt.
Betting on wrong God will lead to hell.

[Hope]

Islam is a knowledge-based religion...

Let me quote the Quran!

Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?   This Mathematical knowledge is too deep for me to understand 

Both 1000 and 50000 years are correct.Please read the  verses and comprehend and think carefully why it has to be 1000 and 50000 years.


“And they urge you to hasten the punishment. But Allāh will never fail in His promise. And indeed, a day with your Lord is like a thousand years of those which you count.”Quran 22:47

He conducts every affair from the heavens to the earth, then it all ascends to Him on a Day whose length is a thousand years by your counting”.Quran 32:5

˹through which˺ the angels and the ˹holy˺ spirit1 will ascend to Him on a Day fifty thousand years in length.Quran 70:4

[Hope]

Most Christians believe in the trinity

Most mean not every one right?

 Muslim whether They are Sunni or Shia all of them believe Allah is their God.

[Lukongsimi]

Is it like betting Toto?You will know the results only after the draw.
Betting is risky. If you lose, you will not be bankrupt.
Betting on wrong God will lead to hell.

This is not gambling it’s about obedience to God.
u mean all moslems confirmed go heaven ?

[Hope]

So Hope...this knowledge based religion is posing a challenging maths question...
What is the answer? If you don have the answer...are you following Islam blindly?

Both 1000 and 50000 years are correct 😎

[Lukongsimi]

Both 1000 and 50000 years are correct 😎

Both correct means u r not sure?

[Hope]

Let me address to this disbeliever.
Consider how devious and calculating it is that he deliberately chose not to mention Paul.

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus is quoted as saying:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matthew 5:17-18, 

This passage indicates that Jesus respects the Jewish law and sees his purpose as fulfilling it, rather than discarding it.

Paul's writings, particularly in letters such as Galatians and Romans, provide a different perspective on the law. He argues that salvation comes through faith in Christ rather than adherence to the law. In Galatians 2:16, he writes:

"Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ." 

Paul's approach can sometimes be perceived as discarding the law, but many theologians argue that he is addressing the purpose of the law in the life of believers in Christ. Paul emphasizes that the law serves a purpose, but for Christians, the relationship with God is based on faith and grace rather than strict adherence to the law.

The key to this theological discussion lies in understanding the nature of Jesus' fulfillment of the law and how Paul interprets that fulfillment in light of the new covenant established through Christ's death and resurrection. While Paul does not discard the law, he presents a new understanding of its relevance for followers of Christ.

This Abdul fails to introduce any fresh perspectives or raise any new doubts and his questions consistently revolve around the same old subjects to the point of being frustrating.

What is your problem? Why Both don’t communicate directly?

[Hope]

How can suka suka changed Jesus’s name to isa?

Remember you changed yeshua to Jesus.We didn’t change Jesus to Isa.We have been using Isa in Arabic Quran,Sermons and discussions last 1440 years.
Only English Quran translate using English word Jesus.

[Lukongsimi]

Remember you changed yeshua to Jesus.We didn’t change Jesus to Isa.We have been using Isa in Arabic Quran,Sermons and discussions last 1440 years.
Only English Quran translate using English word Jesus.

Right
Different Jesus for moslem. Real Jesus is only in the bible.

[Hope]

Islam refers Jesus as Isa ibn Maryam but the Quran keeps mentioning Jesus by name so it is obvious that Islam submits to Christianity and this shows Jesus reigns supreme over the authority of the Quran!

Quran was revealed in Arabic . The Arabic Quran still state Isa bin Maryam while Arab Christian using Yasu.

[Hope]

Zzz

How China is tearing down Islam!


https://ig.ft.com/china-mosques/

It is not new. In china’s past history ,They even banned Halal meat and also Potong kkj.However They are still clinging to their faith which is Iman in Arabic 

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time of patience will come to people in which adhering to one’s religion is like grasping a hot coal.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2260
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

[Hope]

A senior Iranian cleric says around 50,000 of Iran's 75,000 mosques are closed, showing the declining numbers of Iranians attending.2 Jun 2023

In CBN channel?😂

[Hope]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/n...group-says

https://youtu.be/eKhKhLwfulQ?si=pGXhwK_AScAQ-qHk

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/eKhKhLwfulQ?si=pGXhwK_AScAQ-qHk

Can make up so thick?

[S I M T A N]

Let me address to this disbeliever.
Consider how devious and calculating it is that he deliberately chose not to mention Paul.

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus is quoted as saying:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matthew 5:17-18, 

This passage indicates that Jesus respects the Jewish law and sees his purpose as fulfilling it, rather than discarding it.

Paul's writings, particularly in letters such as Galatians and Romans, provide a different perspective on the law. He argues that salvation comes through faith in Christ rather than adherence to the law. In Galatians 2:16, he writes:

"Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ." 

Paul's approach can sometimes be perceived as discarding the law, but many theologians argue that he is addressing the purpose of the law in the life of believers in Christ. Paul emphasizes that the law serves a purpose, but for Christians, the relationship with God is based on faith and grace rather than strict adherence to the law.

The key to this theological discussion lies in understanding the nature of Jesus' fulfillment of the law and how Paul interprets that fulfillment in light of the new covenant established through Christ's death and resurrection. While Paul does not discard the law, he presents a new understanding of its relevance for followers of Christ.

This Abdul fails to introduce any fresh perspectives or raise any new doubts and his questions consistently revolve around the same old subjects to the point of being frustrating.

You hit the nail on the head with this analysis. The crux of the gospel message is that people can't achieve righteousness by keeping a set of rules. God has written off the rules. I believe no pious Muslim appreciates the fact that Christ's coming in the NT ended the law as a means of achieving righteousness with God and that His death on the cross rendered the law eternally ineffective as a way to be righteous before God. There are no outward acts that you can do to achieve righteousness, so abandon your futile efforts to do this or that. It's true that our good works reap eternal rewards (Matt 16:27; Luke 6:35), but not if we do good works only in hopes of attaining salvation or righteousness. The only way to be righteous is to receive, by faith, the righteousness of God.

I have lost count of the number of times I told Abdul about this foundational belief of Christianity. He doesn't believe it. Instead of acknowledging our conflicted beliefs, he asserted that we had discarded the law in favor of grace, and went even further and said we are "lawless." It amused rather than irked me. I can understand his fixation on rule-keeping and doing good works to stay in God's good graces in his attempt to earn his ticket to paradise. Nothing is more important to him than his adherence to religious laws which may determine his eternal destiny. If you challenge or contradict a fundamentalist's doctrines, you undermine his security and provokes him to protest in self-defence.

[S I M T A N]

If the commandment is to love God with everything you got and you have so far failed to do that, are you gonna be okay?

I do love God for having saved me, delivered me from my own struggles and enabled me to stand in addition to blessing me abundantly. But I admit I haven't loved God with all of my heart, soul, mind and strength. Nor have I loved my neighbours as much as I loved myself. But I take comfort in the knowledge that I'm not alone - for you too and everyone else haven't abided by the great commandment.

I believe I'm doing fine as long as I persevere in my faith walk and pursue righteousness continually without being complacent. For one who's experienced the grace of forgiveness those demands become opportunities for a display of gratitude. My response to grace is obedience.

[pinkpanther]

Remember you changed yeshua to Jesus.We didn’t change Jesus to Isa.We have been using Isa in Arabic Quran,Sermons and discussions last 1440 years.
Only English Quran translate using English word Jesus.

This is English translated!
.
[3:59] Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.

3:52] But when Isa perceived unbelief on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones.

Look at how inconsistent the English translated Quran can get....Many of your quotes refer to Jesus and some refer to Isa!

[pinkpanther]

It is not new. In china’s past history ,They even banned Halal meat and also Potong kkj.However They are still clinging to their faith which is Iman in Arabic 

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time of patience will come to people in which adhering to one’s religion is like grasping a hot coal.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2260
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

It is not new that Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China 

[pinkpanther]

A senior Iranian cleric says around 50,000 of Iran's 75,000 mosques are closed, showing the declining numbers of Iranians attending.2 Jun 2023

Wah 50000....  is too many! I am glad they have found Jesus

[pinkpanther]

What is your problem? Why Both don’t communicate directly?

There is no problem with Paul...your buddy thinks it is a big problem and his pride kept him hentak kaki !

I'm glad that you are unlike him and we can move on to other matters and cover more grounds! 

[pinkpanther]

Both 1000 and 50000 years are correct 😎

The difference between 1000 and 50000yrs is 49000 years you know....not 1 or 2 years you know...so how can both be correct

[pinkpanther]

Is it like betting Toto?You will know the results only after the draw.
Betting is risky. If you lose, you will not be bankrupt.
Betting on wrong God will lead to hell.

It is blasphemous to compare God to Toto betting ...it is OK, Islam forgives you..just do more good deeds...

[pinkpanther]

I don't care what other people said lah!  I just take whatever I read in the canonised Bible and believe in the Word of God lah! It's OK if you don't believe lah!

"Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."

[Ali Imran]

You hit the nail on the head with this analysis. The crux of the gospel message is that people can't achieve righteousness by keeping a set of rules. God has written off the rules. I believe no pious Muslim appreciates the fact that Christ's coming in the NT ended the law as a means of achieving righteousness with God and that His death on the cross rendered the law eternally ineffective as a way to be righteous before God. There are no outward acts that you can do to achieve righteousness, so abandon your futile efforts to do this or that. It's true that our good works reap eternal rewards (Matt 16:27; Luke 6:35), but not if we do good works only in hopes of attaining salvation or righteousness. The only way to be righteous is to receive, by faith, the righteousness of God.

I have lost count of the number of times I told Abdul about this foundational belief of Christianity. He doesn't believe it. Instead of acknowledging our conflicted beliefs, he asserted that we had discarded the law in favor of grace, and went even further and said we are "lawless." It amused rather than irked me. I can understand his fixation on rule-keeping and doing good works to stay in God's good graces in his attempt to earn his ticket to paradise. Nothing is more important to him than his adherence to religious laws which may determine his eternal destiny. If you challenge or contradict a fundamentalist's doctrines, you undermine his security and provokes him to protest in self-defence.

I didn't know you also like calling names, like little children.

[cheekopekman]

There is no problem with Paul...your buddy thinks it is a big problem and his pride kept him hentak kaki !

I'm glad that you are unlike him and we can move on to other matters and cover more grounds! 

Saul was blinded by a great light on his way to arrest Christians and he saw Jesus with his spiritual eyes lah!  Even those disciples of Jesus couldn't believe him lah!

[Ali Imran]

Catholic Church 

Why are many Catholics leaving the church?

Majorities of former Catholics who are now unaffiliated also cite having stopped believing in Catholicism's teachings overall (65%) or dissatisfaction with Catholic teachings about abortion and homosexuality (56%), and almost half (48%) cite dissatisfaction with church teachings about birth control, as reasons for ...

Yes, St. Anne is a cathedral. The Muslims bought it for about 200K, a real bargain indeed.

[Ali Imran]

Saul was blinded by a great light on his way to arrest Christians and he saw Jesus with his spiritual eyes lah!  Even those disciples of Jesus couldn't believe him lah!

Jesus hand-picked his disciples and gave them a lot of teachings, like how important it is to keep the Law. Jesus also told his disciples that one who comes teaching people to discard the law will be in hell.

Then Paul came along with the teaching to discard the law. Do you think the disciples would remember what Jesus said to them about those who teach others to discard the law? Surely yes, they remembered what Jesus taught them. That is why they are against Paul.

[Ali Imran]

You hit the nail on the head with this analysis. The crux of the gospel message is that people can't achieve righteousness by keeping a set of rules. God has written off the rules. I believe no pious Muslim appreciates the fact that Christ's coming in the NT ended the law as a means of achieving righteousness with God and that His death on the cross rendered the law eternally ineffective as a way to be righteous before God. There are no outward acts that you can do to achieve righteousness, so abandon your futile efforts to do this or that. It's true that our good works reap eternal rewards (Matt 16:27; Luke 6:35), but not if we do good works only in hopes of attaining salvation or righteousness. The only way to be righteous is to receive, by faith, the righteousness of God.

I have lost count of the number of times I told Abdul about this foundational belief of Christianity. He doesn't believe it. Instead of acknowledging our conflicted beliefs, he asserted that we had discarded the law in favor of grace, and went even further and said we are "lawless." It amused rather than irked me. I can understand his fixation on rule-keeping and doing good works to stay in God's good graces in his attempt to earn his ticket to paradise. Nothing is more important to him than his adherence to religious laws which may determine his eternal destiny. If you challenge or contradict a fundamentalist's doctrines, you undermine his security and provokes him to protest in self-defence.

Yet, the NT has a verse saying some people were righteous because they keep to the Law. 

How come?