[Lukongsimi]

“If”mean not sure?
How and when does he know he is inside ?

Judgement day u will know lah

[Lukongsimi]

You are the one who needs to remain blind in order to keep your faith in Christianity. You must be blind to the contradiction in the scriptures, the unreliability of the scriptures, the history of Christology, the many ecumenical councils that shaped the doctrines you now believe in, the controversy surrounding Paul of Tarsus, and many more. I've given many arguments to show you all that and there are no rebuttals to them, so much that one Christian here wants to make a rule that we cannot question those topics here.

You have selective blindness pengy. You choose to turn a blind eye to all of that.

U r blind not me

[Ali Imran]

The one with merciful eyes pure n full of love 
His voice is slow loud n echoed 
Jesus appeared to even moslems why u never encountered?

You know you cannot answer the question.

You are choosing to turn a blind eye, Malay say buat bodoh.

[Lukongsimi]

You know you cannot answer the question.

You are choosing to turn a blind eye, Malay say buat bodoh.

U are jealous lah
Now angry Liao ?

[Ali Imran]

U r blind not me

Islam is a knowledge-based religion. The more knowledge we have, the stronger our faith will be.

Christianity is the opposite. An increase in knowledge will be followed by a decrease in faith.

That is why you don't want to know the scholarships on Christianity I am presenting to you here.

[Ali Imran]

U are jealous lah
Now angry Liao ?

What do I have to be jealous about?

[Lukongsimi]

What do I have to be jealous about?

The way u provoke and refuse to listen

[Lukongsimi]

Islam is a knowledge-based religion. The more knowledge we have, the stronger our faith will be.

Christianity is the opposite. An increase in knowledge will be followed by a decrease in faith.

That is why you don't want to know the scholarships on Christianity I am presenting to you here.

Faith comes by hearing and witnessing 
Not only from books

[Ali Imran]

Faith comes by hearing and witnessing 
Not only from books

Which hearing and witnessing is true? The unitarians will say they too hear and witness. How do we decide which one is the correct one? Yours or theirs?

[pinkpanther]

Islam is a knowledge-based religion...

Let me quote the Quran!

Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?   This Mathematical knowledge is too deep for me to understand 

[Lukongsimi]

Which hearing and witnessing is true? The unitarians will say they too hear and witness. How do we decide which one is the correct one? Yours or theirs?

the Holy Spirit will guard us to know the truth and the truth will set us free 
U don’t have so blurr lah

[Ali Imran]

the Holy Spirit will guard us to know the truth and the truth will set us free 
U don’t have so blurr lah

The unitarians also say they have the Holy Spirit but they don't believe in the Trinity. How come?

[Lukongsimi]

The unitarians also say they have the Holy Spirit but they don't believe in the Trinity. How come?

Most Christians believe in the trinity

[pinkpanther]

Islam is a knowledge-based religion...

Let me quote the Quran!

Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?   This Mathematical knowledge is too deep for me to understand 

So Hope...this knowledge based religion is posing a challenging maths question...
What is the answer? If you don have the answer...are you following Islam blindly?

[Ali Imran]

Most Christians believe in the trinity

Are you sure? Have you been keeping track of the polls?

Many Christians no longer believe. Christianity is producing the greatest number of atheists today.

[Ali Imran]

I agree with you up to a point. The law is there to guide us through our spiritual odysseys. It's good and useful as far as it goes, but it's powerless to prevent us from transgressing the rules. When the New Testament says man cannot keep the law of God, it's not because he lacks a will or a mind and cannot understand what God requires, but rather because man doesn't have a proper disposition toward God. Man, in his fallenness, is in a state of enmity and estrangement from God.

The Scriptures tell us that the desires of man's heart are wicked continually, and acknowledge that man has a will, but that will is 'under the power' of sin and in 'bondage' to sin. The NT makes it abundantly clear that our noblest efforts at self-reformation or human virtue fall short of what God's holiness requires. Paul states it succinctly, "No flesh shall be justified by the works of the law" (Rom 3:20). Not only does the NT make it crystal clear that all our efforts at righteousness do not measure up to the demands of the law, it also adds the radical notion that we're morally incapable of doing what God requires.

Again, let's consider the most important moral duty there is. God tells us that the great commandment is to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength and to love others as much as we love ourselves. This commandment fills me with awe, and I straightaway know I haven't loved God with my whole heart and all of my mind for even 60 seconds in my life. None of us, I'm sure, loves every person in the world as much as we love ourselves. Just look at the way we argued with each other about theological issues over the past few months. We didn't have kindly feeling towards one another - only feelings of resentment bore by you, me and the others, including by Oyk who readily admitted to not being an exemplary Christian.

Really, nobody keeps the great commandment. So what's the big deal? If nobody abides by that particular law, it can't be that important, can it? Yet God calls it the great commandment. What if He considers the breaking of that law as the great transgression? What if we're judged ultimately by that law? The number of things one would have to do to keep the law is staggering. None of us can do it successfully.

If God deals with us ultimately on the basis of justice alone, we'll perish. We know that God is a God of love and wouldn't let any of us perish in the end. Now we're talking about grace. We need grace for liberation and reconciliation with God. For without grace we're left with our fallenness and must face the judgement of God on the basis of our own performance. The secret of the cross is that Jesus removed the law as a requirement for achieving righteousness with God Thank You, Lord.

Christianity places so much emphasis on grace through faith in Jesus Christ. It is precisely at this point that grace is on a collision course with Islamic philosophy of being 'law-abiding.' You're a 'law' man. You submit yourself to Allah and His laws in trying to earn His favor and hopefully earn your way to heaven. Do your best and hope for the best. Well, good luck to you. You need large doses of it.

If the commandment is to love God with everything you got and you have so far failed to do that, are you gonna be okay?

[Ali Imran]

So have you reflected deeply into the words of Jesus saying anybody who teaches people to discard the law will be in hell?

[pinkpanther]

Let me address to this disbeliever.
Consider how devious and calculating it is that he deliberately chose not to mention Paul.

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus is quoted as saying:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matthew 5:17-18, 

This passage indicates that Jesus respects the Jewish law and sees his purpose as fulfilling it, rather than discarding it.

Paul's writings, particularly in letters such as Galatians and Romans, provide a different perspective on the law. He argues that salvation comes through faith in Christ rather than adherence to the law. In Galatians 2:16, he writes:

"Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ." 

Paul's approach can sometimes be perceived as discarding the law, but many theologians argue that he is addressing the purpose of the law in the life of believers in Christ. Paul emphasizes that the law serves a purpose, but for Christians, the relationship with God is based on faith and grace rather than strict adherence to the law.

The key to this theological discussion lies in understanding the nature of Jesus' fulfillment of the law and how Paul interprets that fulfillment in light of the new covenant established through Christ's death and resurrection. While Paul does not discard the law, he presents a new understanding of its relevance for followers of Christ.

This Abdul fails to introduce any fresh perspectives or raise any new doubts and his questions consistently revolve around the same old subjects to the point of being frustrating.

[cheekopekman]

There were many gospels in circulation within the first 300 years after Jesus. Among the earliest gospels written was the Gospel according to St Thomas, which was not canonized. Other gospels around in the early days were of Barnabas, James, Mary Magdalene, and a few others. 

Who were the people who decided for you that you should believe in only those 4 gospels in your Bible? Do you care to know? Is it important for you to know? Are you interested to know? Or do you just blindly believe what people tell you?

I don't care what other people said lah!  I just take whatever I read in the canonised Bible and believe in the Word of God lah! It's OK if you don't believe lah!

[Lukongsimi]

The Quran says, “When God said, “O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Take me and my mother as two gods besides God?' …” (Quran 5:116

When the Quran itself refers to Jesus in name...again it is submitting to the truth of the Bible...

Why don use the name Isa ibn maryam...haiya!! The Bible will never use the name Isa !

How can suka suka changed Jesus’s name to isa?

[Lukongsimi]

Are you sure? Have you been keeping track of the polls?

Many Christians no longer believe. Christianity is producing the greatest number of atheists today.

Faked poll lah

[pinkpanther]

How can suka suka changed Jesus’s name to isa?

Islam refers Jesus as Isa ibn Maryam but the Quran keeps mentioning Jesus by name so it is obvious that Islam submits to Christianity and this shows Jesus reigns supreme over the authority of the Quran!

[pinkpanther]

Faked poll lah

Eerh the poll date also outdated liao...
This poll is only a small sample size lah...who cares..

[pinkpanther]

Muslim Struggles to Defend Quran's CONTRADICTION

[Ali Imran]

Faked poll lah

That is Pew Research poll.

It can be corroborated by the many churches closing down due to the dwindling number of church-goers. Just recently, the church of St Anne in Buffalo was bought by the Muslims and will be converted into a mosque.

[pinkpanther]

Zzz

How China is tearing down Islam!


https://ig.ft.com/china-mosques/

[pinkpanther]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-67483202

They knew what the Moslems are up to ...

[pinkpanther]

Notice how he subtly referenced the poll from 2015 to 2020 without addressing the thousands of mosque closures in China. Many people may switch religion as a result. This report is from 2023, so I doubt he has the latest poll!

Is he relying on an outdated poll to propagate misinformation? You decide.

[Lukongsimi]

That is Pew Research poll.

It can be corroborated by the many churches closing down due to the dwindling number of church-goers. Just recently, the church of St Anne in Buffalo was bought by the Muslims and will be converted into a mosque.

Catholic Church 

Why are many Catholics leaving the church?

Majorities of former Catholics who are now unaffiliated also cite having stopped believing in Catholicism's teachings overall (65%) or dissatisfaction with Catholic teachings about abortion and homosexuality (56%), and almost half (48%) cite dissatisfaction with church teachings about birth control, as reasons for ...

[Lukongsimi]

Notice how he subtly referenced the poll from 2015 to 2020 without addressing the thousands of mosque closures in China. Many people may switch religion as a result. This report is from 2023, so I doubt he has the latest poll!

Is he relying on an outdated poll to propagate misinformation? You decide.

A senior Iranian cleric says around 50,000 of Iran's 75,000 mosques are closed, showing the declining numbers of Iranians attending.2 Jun 2023