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(08-03-2024, 10:56 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: There is no doubt that Israel has gone overboard with its retaliation, but Hamas started this war and the Israelis certainly are hellbent on finishing it so there is no repeat invasion, murder, rape and kidnapping on their soil again.
(08-03-2024, 10:56 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: There is no doubt that Israel has gone overboard with its retaliation, but Hamas started this war and the Israelis certainly are hellbent on finishing it so there is no repeat invasion, murder, rape and kidnapping on their soil again.
(08-03-2024, 11:16 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Why do you insist on erasing all that happened before Oct 7? I can understand why Israel would want you to erase all that but aren't you capable of thinking for yourself? Do you really think Oct 7 happened in a vacuum?
(08-03-2024, 11:42 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: Both of us are fully capable of thinking for ourselves so stop trying to shove your beliefs and your version of history down my throat. Be mature by agreeing that both of us may disagree like adults. You will support Hamas because you share a common religion with them. I am not a Jew nor am I a Muslim, so I can rightly claim to be neutral in this conflict.
(08-03-2024, 11:39 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: Aren't we discussing this current conflict? Why are you dragging your version of ancient history into this debate???
(08-03-2024, 11:54 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: Conflict seldom starts from one single event. It usually happens from a series of conflicts in the past so I dun see anything wrong with bringing out history. Another highly flawed argument from u.
(08-03-2024, 11:57 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: The current (ongoing) conflict was triggered by the 7 Oct invasion by Hamas where they murdered, raped and kidnapped Israeli civilians. What is so difficult for you to comprehend?
(08-03-2024, 11:42 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: Both of us are fully capable of thinking for ourselves so stop trying to shove your beliefs and your version of history down my throat. Be mature by agreeing that both of us may disagree like adults. You will support Hamas because you share a common religion with them. I am not a Jew nor am I a Muslim, so I can rightly claim to be neutral in this conflict.
(08-03-2024, 12:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: The history, which started in 1948, is well documented by credible and well-known Jewish historians like Ilan Pappe, Edward Said, or Benny Morris and many more. Nobody has their own version of what happened because it all happened in modern times when mankind were already documenting events and keeping records. The historical facts agree with what I am telling you. The Zionists want that entire land for a Jewish state and they must get rid of the Palestinians living there, which is what they are doing now, ethnic cleansing.
There is no other version. There is no disagreement about the history of this crime which has been going on for over 7 decades already.
(08-03-2024, 12:15 PM)lylcnn Wrote: Well said....
Even Christians in Palestine are being decimated by the Israel hostilities.
Pope already issued condemnation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwlc-_kjhA
Prior to European Jews settler colonization of Palestinian lands (partly driven by Nazis), Jews/Muslims/Christians were living relatively harmoniously.
Its a shame western continues to support this Israeli oppression and genocide of Palestine people.
(08-03-2024, 01:06 PM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote: 你的神我的佛,谁比谁大?
(08-03-2024, 12:46 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: Jews hate Christians because of Jesus Christ lah!
(08-03-2024, 01:57 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: May I remind you that the Christians were esp. intolerant of BOTH Muslims and Jews during the crucades and would resort to annihilation of the communities once they conquered Jeruselem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...e_Crusades
(08-03-2024, 11:42 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: Both of us are fully capable of thinking for ourselves so stop trying to shove your beliefs and your version of history down my throat. Be mature by agreeing that both of us may disagree like adults. You will support Hamas because you share a common religion with them. I am not a Jew nor am I a Muslim, so I can rightly claim to be neutral in this conflict.you are an evangelist or a Hindu from north India
(08-03-2024, 12:15 PM)lylcnn Wrote: Well said....
Even Christians in Palestine are being decimated by the Israel hostilities.
Pope already issued condemnation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwlc-_kjhA
Prior to European Jews settler colonization of Palestinian lands (partly driven by Nazis), Jews/Muslims/Christians were living relatively harmoniously.
Its a shame western continues to support this Israeli oppression and genocide of Palestine people.
(08-03-2024, 12:02 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: Let's take an example to make it simple for you to understand.
If you only see a man killing another's father, of cos you'd say that the action is wrong and the person should be punished. But what if the other has first killed his whole family and the man is taking revenge as a result of that?
I'm not even saying both sides are right (or wrong) but saying that you can't ignore history. Still difficult for you to comprehend? Then I can't help it liao.
(08-03-2024, 06:30 PM)teaserteam Wrote: It is just a case example and sounded simple. What if you forgive the man who killed your siblings (father) and you tried to understand him and helped him to settle down but he kept coming back time and time again to kill your other siblings. Would you let him go?
(08-03-2024, 06:41 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: I couldn't comment or judge, as there could be so many possibilities played out that outsiders will find difficult to understand. All I'm saying is that one shouldn't just look at incidents as isolated events, but to also include looking at the historic happenings. In the case of Palestinians vs Israelis, can we just apportion blame to only the Hamas, and that Israel is totally absolved of any responsibility? My opinion is no. But do I stand on the side of Hamas? Again no.
Referring back to your example. What if the truth is that you killed his entire clan? It's easy to say, since I help you to settle down you should put down your revenge, but in reality it's not easy to do.
(08-03-2024, 07:01 PM)teaserteam Wrote: Agree. When there is war going on, always hard to judge who is right and wrong. This is because they are trying to outdo each other, spreading all the news (false or true) to accuse each other. Only when the war has ended shall the truth surface.
(08-03-2024, 07:01 PM)teaserteam Wrote: Agree. When there is war going on, always hard to judge who is right and wrong. This is because they are trying to outdo each other, spreading all the news (false or true) to accuse each other. Only when the war has ended shall the truth surface.