[Lukongsimi]

[Ali Imran]

Yes, unlike the other 3 Gospels, the book of John will make a great movie. It even has that story of the adulterous woman wrongly accused of adultery. 

In Islam, the men who brought her to Jesus with the accusation will be punished with public caning for making that false accusation with no proof.

The question we need to ask is this: Did Jesus really say all that in John or did they put words into Jesus's mouth? Some scholars think it is the latter because, in the synoptic Gospels, all that fantastic sayings of Jesus cannot be found. How come? Why would Mark or Matthew not include those famous words like "Before Abraham was I am" when it is such a profound statement? Why did Mark Matthew or Luke omit that?

[Lukongsimi]

Yes, unlike the other 3 Gospels, the book of John will make a great movie. It even has that story of the adulterous woman wrongly accused of adultery. 

In Islam, the men who brought her to Jesus with the accusation will be punished with public caning for making that false accusation with no proof.

The question we need to ask is this: Did Jesus really say all that in John or did they put words into Jesus's mouth? Some scholars think it is the latter because, in the synoptic Gospels, all that fantastic sayings of Jesus cannot be found. How come? Why would Mark or Matthew not include those famous words like "Before Abraham was I am" when it is such a profound statement? Why did Mark Matthew or Luke omit that?

John was Jesus’s  most loved disciple and the book of revelation was only revealed to him 
Example u have 6 children and were asked by their teacher to write about you their father 
Do u think they will all write the same story ?
Some parts will be  missed out right?

[pinkpanther]

do you ever wonder why the omnipotent Allah didn't communicate with Muhammad directly instead of sending him an angel? Come on he is omnipotent! Please do not say that it was the best approach to revealing Quran because it seems a very inconvenient, time consuming way that requires unnecessary resources. 

[Ali Imran]

John was Jesus’s  most loved disciple and the book of revelation was only revealed to him 
Example u have 6 children and were asked by their teacher to write about you their father 
Do u think they will all write the same story ?
Some parts will be  missed out right?

But if 5 of the stories are all similar but the 6th one has stories like "My father rode a flying donkey to Kuala Lumpur" which none of the other children said, we all know what to make of that story.

[Ali Imran]

do you ever wonder why the omnipotent Allah didn't communicate with Muhammad directly instead of sending him an angel? Come on he is omnipotent! Please do not say that it was the best approach to revealing Quran because it seems a very inconvenient, time consuming way that requires unnecessary resources. 

I like such questions.

Yes, Allah spoke to our prophet directly.

The Quran however is a revelation and it must be delivered by a powerful messenger with all the trims. 

If a king wants to deliver an edict to people, it is usually delivered by an elaborate messenger and bells and whistles.

[Lukongsimi]

But if 5 of the stories are all similar but the 6th one has stories like "My father rode a flying donkey to Kuala Lumpur" which none of the other children said, we all know what to make of that story.

Usually father will share
his secret to the one he loves most

[Ali Imran]

Usually father will share
his secret to the one he loves most

In this case, not sharing with the rest has tremendous ramifications for millions of people involving their salvation.

[pinkpanther]

Usually father will share
his secret to the one he loves most

Yes. Just like the king has many officials and he shared the most with his most trusted one

[Lukongsimi]

I like such questions.

Yes, Allah spoke to our prophet directly.

The Quran however is a revelation and it must be delivered by a powerful messenger with all the trims. 

If a king wants to deliver an edict to people, it is usually delivered by an elaborate messenger and bells and whistles.

Where is the proof that your allah spoke to your prophet directly?

[Ali Imran]

Yes. Just like the king has many officials and he shared the most with his most trusted one

And the rest wasn't told that very critical information that would result in them going to hell.

Is that fair?

[Ali Imran]

Where is the proof that your allah spoke to your prophet directly?

It is in our scriptures. I need to go off now. 

I'll explain better later.

[Lukongsimi]

In this case, not sharing with the rest has tremendous ramifications for millions of people involving their salvation.

Salvation is based importantly on Jesus’s cruxifiction and resurrection
Reborn of water and spirit

[Lukongsimi]

And the rest wasn't told that very critical information that would result in them going to hell.

Is that fair?

It was later written in the Holy
Bible
John did not kept the secret to himself

[pinkpanther]

I like such questions.

Yes, Allah spoke to our prophet directly.

The Quran however is a revelation and it must be delivered by a powerful messenger with all the trims. 

If a king wants to deliver an edict to people, it is usually delivered by an elaborate messenger and bells and whistles.

Allah only communicates with Musa(moses) unlike the other Prophets who received revelation by God through an angel. Is this not favouritism towards Musa? The same favouritism applies to John!

[Lukongsimi]

It is in our scriptures. I need to go off now. 

I'll explain better later.

U lie it’s not in the Quran
https://youtu.be/DorS0PM4yKs?si=5pfKvmfz082FGt0X

[Ali Imran]

Allah only communicates with Musa(moses) unlike the other Prophets who received revelation by God through an angel. Is this not favouritism towards Musa? The same favouritism applies to John!

Let me explain further. The book of John recorded the sayings of Jesus in public, not personal to John. For example, when Jesus said "Before Abraham was I am", it was spoken in public. 

As well, in the other synoptic Gospels, we find recordings of the sayings of Jesus in public. All 3 have similar stories albeit with embellishments. But all 3 don't have any of the fantastic sayings of Jesus like the ones we find in John. Why did the authors of the first 3 Gospels omit those fantastic sayings of Jesus? Are those sayings not important enough for them to report it? The obvious answer is not gonna be palatable for you.

Fyi, the Gospel according to John was the last to be written.

[Ali Imran]

U lie it’s not in the Quran
https://youtu.be/DorS0PM4yKs?si=5pfKvmfz082FGt0X

No, I didn't lie.

I said scriptures. I didn't say Quran. Besides the Quran, we have another scripture we call the Hadith.

The meeting between Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم) and Allah is recorded in the Hadith.

[Ali Imran]

It was later written in the Holy
Bible
John did not kept the secret to himself

You're missing the point. It's not about whether the author of John has secrets or not. 

Why didn't the other authors of the 3 synoptic Gospels not report the divine sayings of Jesus like "I and the Father are one"? Why did they think it was not important enough to report it to their audience?

[pinkpanther]

No, I didn't lie.

I said scriptures. I didn't say Quran. Besides the Quran, we have another scripture we call the Hadith.

The meeting between Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم) and Allah is recorded in the Hadith.

Your Islamic guidance and  faith is base on the qu'ran or the hadith. Not all Muslims believe that the hadith is divine revelation

[grotesqueness]

Your Islamic guidance and  faith is base on the qu'ran or the hadith. Not all Muslims believe that the hadith is divine revelation

flip flop fake holy books

[Ali Imran]

Your Islamic guidance and  faith is base on the qu'ran or the hadith. Not all Muslims believe that the hadith is divine revelation

I would not say the Hadith is divine revelation but it is holy scripture nonetheless.

And yes, the Hadith is a major source of our jurisprudence ergo the Hadith contains guidance.

[Lukongsimi]

No, I didn't lie.

I said scriptures. I didn't say Quran. Besides the Quran, we have another scripture we call the Hadith.

The meeting between Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم) and Allah is recorded in the Hadith.

Met where? What did God told your prophet?
No link no proof only talk?

[blasterdog2]

omnipresent88 ghey lou so quiet? 

[pinkpanther]

In the bible, angels always identified themselves to the person they are speaking to but no angel identified themselves to Muhammad..show me in the qu'ran that jibril identify himself to muhammad in the cave

[Ali Imran]

Met where? What did God told your prophet?
No link no proof only talk?

Would you like to read articles about that meeting? It is a very famous event and a part of the Greetings between Allah and our prophet is recorded in the Hadith and we recite that Greetings in our 5 daily prayers.

[pinkpanther]

I would not say the Hadith is divine revelation but it is holy scripture nonetheless.

And yes, the Hadith is a major source of our jurisprudence ergo the Hadith contains guidance.

"Quranists suggest that vast majority of hadith literature are forged and that the Quran criticizes the hadith both in technical sense and general sense. Quranists claim that the Sunni and Shias have distorted the meaning of the verses to support their agenda, especially in verses about women and war."

[Ali Imran]

In the bible, angels always identified themselves to the person they are speaking to but no angel identified themselves to Muhammad..show me in the qu'ran that jibril identify himself to muhammad in the cave

Is the angel identifying himself a criteria for authenticity?

Did Gabriel identify himself to Mary when he visited her during her seclusion? I'm not sure but I don't think so.

Have you tried studying the Quran? If you want to, I'd be pleased to assist. 

We believe the Quran is the verbatim words of God. You can disbelieve but you cannot falsify it.

[Ali Imran]

"Quranists suggest that vast majority of hadith literature are forged and that the Quran criticizes the hadith both in technical sense and general sense. Quranists claim that the Sunni and Shias have distorted the meaning of the verses to support their agenda, especially in verses about women and war."

The Quranist is a deviant sect and you should not use a deviant sect's opinion to argue with me.

Let's stick to the mainstream, which is >90% of the Muslim population.

[pinkpanther]

Is the angel identifying himself a criteria for authenticity?

Did Gabriel identify himself to Mary when he visited her during her seclusion? I'm not sure but I don't think so.

Have you tried studying the Quran? If you want to, I'd be pleased to assist. 

We believe the Quran is the verbatim words of God. You can disbelieve but you cannot falsify it.

Who did God speak to? Which part did I lie? Did Muhammad identify Gabriel in the cave? If he did and know he was dealing with gabriel I will convert to a muslim