Scripture readings for Christmas

(30-05-2025, 06:47 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I worship the God of Jesus, the one true God.

Is the God in the Bible made up of 3 persons who are all equally God? If so, I don't recognize that God, or Gods. It is a very confusing God.

Then you cannot be worshipping Jesus's God because it goes against your Quran in so many ways...
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(30-05-2025, 06:48 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So Jesus was speaking his biography to his people? And he spoke to people about himself in the 3rd person?

The Injil was revealed to Jesus, and He in turn conveyed it to His disciples. It encompasses His life and His teachings.
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(30-05-2025, 07:16 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Then you cannot be worshipping Jesus's God because it goes against your Quran in so many ways...

Based on the Bible, yes. 

In the Quran, God is merciful, but in the Bible, God is blood-thirsty.
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(30-05-2025, 07:22 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Injil was revealed to Jesus, and He in turn conveyed it to His disciples. It encompasses His life and His teachings.

So you believe Jesus was speaking like this, " At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove" according to you.

Okay.
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(30-05-2025, 08:11 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So you believe Jesus was speaking like this, " At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove" according to you.

Okay.

A biography doesnt necessary mean Jesus has to do all the talking .His disciples who witness what Jesus was doing can write down the truth
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(30-05-2025, 08:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Based on the Bible, yes. 

In the Quran, God is merciful, but in the Bible, God is blood-thirsty.

Rotfl Allah is merciful? Islam is spread by the sword? Which part of the sword is showing mercy?
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(30-05-2025, 08:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  A biography doesnt necessary mean Jesus has to do all the talking .His disciples who witness what Jesus was doing can write down the truth

His disciples couldn't write but that is beside the point. The Injeel, in our paradigm, is spoken by the messenger of Allah, son of Mary, peace be upon him. The Injeel is not a biography. The Gospels in the NT are biographies written by unknown authors.

You cannot impose your paradigm on us and then call it our dilemma. If you do that, you're being intellectually dishonest.
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(30-05-2025, 08:26 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Rotfl Allah is merciful? Islam is spread by the sword? Which part of the sword is showing mercy?

You're parroting the anti-Islam rhetoric.

Let me tell you a factoid. You can find the word "sword" in the Bible but you cannot find it in the Quran.
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Pray like Jesus 
Claim worship God of Jesus 
And yet condemn Him being cruel 
There is a reason for every happenings 
God hates disobedience 
You don’t fear God u want to judge Him
What a Moslem!

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(30-05-2025, 08:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  His disciples couldn't write but that is beside the point. The Injeel, in our paradigm, is spoken by the messenger of Allah, son of Mary, peace be upon him. The Injeel is not a biography. The Gospels in the NT are biographies written by unknown authors.

You cannot impose your paradigm on us and then call it our dilemma. If you do that, you're being intellectually dishonest.

You claim to know the Injil but you have never seen the Injil...what you are doing is making false claims..
Again I ask you to show me the Injil ..

Allah and Muhammad affirm the Injil but you disagree
I have concluded that either the Quran is false or you are lying....only one can be right..both cannot be right...so the Islamic dilemma continues
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(30-05-2025, 07:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Allah said that the Injil is with the Christians, you say that we do not have the Injil....You are overwriting Allah and Muhammad....can I take it that you are claiming to be God? Yes..In a certain way

Moslems make all the claims but have nothing to back it up always....

The Injil was revealed to Jesus, it was not recorded or lost according to moslems..
Muhammad affirmed the Injil, the Christians were reading the Injil back then. Allah says it is with us..

Moslems are a confusing lot..so the Islamic dilemma continues...it gets worse with every explanation

We are not confused. We know your scriptures have been tainted right from the very beginning, way before people like Bruce Metzger found out the NT has been corrupted. The reason why our prophet told us to neither believe nor disbelieve your scriptures is because in it there are some truth. 

You are confused. The NT is a confusing book. In some part, we see A and in another part we see not-A. The result of this confusion is the multiple denominations within Christendom. The Protestants call the Catholics heretics and vice versa. That is utter confusion.
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(30-05-2025, 08:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You're parroting the anti-Islam rhetoric.

Let me tell you a factoid. You can find the word "sword" in the Bible but you cannot find it in the Quran.

So how is Islam spread? Peacefully and quietly? There is no compulsion in faith .There is no requirement to pay a jizya for disbelievers?

Muhammad preach Islam like how Jesus preach Christianity? How many wars did Muhammad participated?
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(30-05-2025, 09:08 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You claim to know the Injil but you have never seen the Injil...what you are doing is making false claims..
Again I ask you to show me the Injil ..

Allah and Muhammad affirm the Injil but you disagree
I have concluded that either the Quran is false or you are lying....only one can be right..both cannot be right...so the Islamic dilemma continues

I will keep on repeating the same answers, in the hope that you will try to understand.

The Quran tells us of the revelation given to the son of Mary, Jesus, pbuh. We believe that 100%.

Is the Injeel given to Jesus still with us today? No, definitely not. 

If you don't understand what Allah says in the Quran, or what our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم has said, please ask.
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(30-05-2025, 09:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  We are not confused. We know your scriptures have been tainted right from the very beginning, way before people like Bruce Metzger found out the NT has been corrupted. The reason why our prophet told us to neither believe nor disbelieve your scriptures is because in it there are some truth. 

You are confused. The NT is a confusing book. In some part, we see A and in another part we see not-A. The result of this confusion is the multiple denominations within Christendom. The Protestants call the Catholics heretics and vice versa. That is utter confusion.

We are not confused; we do not rely on the Quran to stand. The Quran appears uncertain because it makes numerous claims that it cannot substantiate.

 As a result, many Moslems turn to the Bible for answers. Why? Because the Quran contains many shortcomings and often fails to provide clear or satisfactory explanations.

Can I trust the Quran? No! Why? Because you are one good example...you are looking for external sources to contradict what Allah and Muhammad said...They both affirmed the gospel.. while you are brainwash and parroting the views of the anti christ propaganda
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(30-05-2025, 08:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You're parroting the anti-Islam rhetoric.

Let me tell you a factoid. You can find the word "sword" in the Bible but you cannot find it in the Quran.
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭12‬ ‭KJV

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(30-05-2025, 09:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So how is Islam spread? Peacefully and quietly? There is no compulsion in faith .There is no requirement to pay a jizya for disbelievers?

Muhammad preach Islam like how Jesus preach Christianity? How many wars did Muhammad participated?

Do prophets go to war? Yes, the biblical prophets went to war. Our prophet too.

How did Islam spread to this region? Did you ever hear of the Muslims coming here with swords to make us Muslims? 

Jizya has been explained to you. The jizya is CLEAR PROOF that people are not forced to become Muslims. The jizya means, if the Israelites want to remain practicing Judaism, they may do so.
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(30-05-2025, 09:22 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭12‬ ‭KJV

Thank you for showing Pink the word "sword" is in the Bible.
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(30-05-2025, 09:17 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I will keep on repeating the same answers, in the hope that you will try to understand.

The Quran tells us of the revelation given to the son of Mary, Jesus, pbuh. We believe that 100%.

Is the Injeel given to Jesus still with us today? No, definitely not. 

If you don't understand what Allah says in the Quran, or what our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم has said, please ask.

I will say it again...it is very simple .no need explanation 

Allah says the Injil is with the Christians, He ask Muhammad to check with the people of the book if he is in doubts . ..you say the Injil is not with us...

Just answer this simple question 
Are you correct or is Allah correct?
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(30-05-2025, 09:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We are not confused; we do not rely on the Quran to stand. The Quran appears uncertain because it makes numerous claims that it cannot substantiate.

 As a result, many Moslems turn to the Bible for answers. Why? Because the Quran contains many shortcomings and often fails to provide clear or satisfactory explanations.

Can I trust the Quran? No! Why? Because you are one good example...you are looking for external sources to contradict what Allah and Muhammad said...They both affirmed the gospel.. while you are brainwash and parroting the views of the anti christ propaganda

Have you read the Quran? No.

Yet, you speak of it as though you know.
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(30-05-2025, 09:23 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Thank you for showing Pink the word "sword" is in the Bible.

The sword  mentioned here is not the sword that kills

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(30-05-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I will say it again...it is very simple .no need explanation 

Allah says the Injil is with the Christians, He ask Muhammad to check with the people of the book if he is in doubts . ..you say the Injil is not with us...

Just answer this simple question 
Are you correct or is Allah correct?

Do you have any record of our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم going to the Christians and asking them questions because he صلي الله عليه وسلم didn't know something?

LOL
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(30-05-2025, 09:25 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  The sword  mentioned here is not the sword that kills

Yes, that's true.
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(30-05-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I will say it again...it is very simple .no need explanation 

Allah says the Injil is with the Christians, He ask Muhammad to check with the people of the book if he is in doubts . ..you say the Injil is not with us...

Just answer this simple question 
Are you correct or is Allah correct?

Allah is correct. You are wrong.
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(30-05-2025, 09:22 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Do prophets go to war? Yes, the biblical prophets went to war. Our prophet too.

How did Islam spread to this region? Did you ever hear of the Muslims coming here with swords to make us Muslims? 

Jizya has been explained to you. The jizya is CLEAR PROOF that people are not forced to become Muslims. The jizya means, if the Israelites want to remain practicing Judaism, they may do so.

This is how islam brainwash a person...if you want to live a life in denial..then who can stop you... Big Grin
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(30-05-2025, 09:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  We are not confused. We know your scriptures have been tainted right from the very beginning, way before people like Bruce Metzger found out the NT has been corrupted. The reason why our prophet told us to neither believe nor disbelieve your scriptures is because in it there are some truth. 

You are confused. The NT is a confusing book. In some part, we see A and in another part we see not-A. The result of this confusion is the multiple denominations within Christendom. The Protestants call the Catholics heretics and vice versa. That is utter confusion.

No sheep ever eaten up the Bible but your Koran was eaten up why?
The sheep saw it as grass?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(30-05-2025, 09:26 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Allah is correct. You are wrong.

Rotfl  No one can change His words...correct? Will you study His words regarding the Injil again
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(30-05-2025, 09:28 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  No sheep ever eaten up the Bible but your Koran was eaten up why?
The sheep saw it as grass?

His God cannot stop a sheep from eating the Quran  Big Grin
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(30-05-2025, 08:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Based on the Bible, yes. 

In the Quran, God is merciful, but in the Bible, God is blood-thirsty.

U dare judge God u will be judged !

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(30-05-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I will say it again...it is very simple .no need explanation 

Allah says the Injil is with the Christians, He ask Muhammad to check with the people of the book if he is in doubts . ..you say the Injil is not with us...

Just answer this simple question 
Are you correct or is Allah correct?

Ask to check with people of the book the Christians
Means their book was copied n need to check any mistakes made

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(30-05-2025, 09:25 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Do you have any record of our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم going to the Christians and asking them questions because he صلي الله عليه وسلم didn't know something?

LOL

 Surah 10:94 instructs Muhammad to seek clarification from those who possess previous scriptures (Jews and Christians) if he has any doubts about the revelations he received, not to question their beliefs....

Would Allah ask Muhammad to check with corrupted scriptures? 
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