[pinkpanther]

Must defend own faith ma
U got good memory 
No wonder Ali avoids u lol

Alizabird avoids me because he believes I've crossed the line by making inappropriate jokes about his prophet... This is the callousness he's developed over the years...all bullshit!

 However, he doesn't recognize that his denial of Jesus' divinity and his frequent misinterpretation of biblical verses are tolerated by us. 

No one likes a debate with him because he is lazy fellow with no back up to substantiate his arguments....if he needs to lie to further his case..he will do so...
Very different from Hope who is younger, less petty and more honest 

[Lukongsimi]

Alizabird avoids me because he believes I've crossed the line by making inappropriate jokes about his prophet... This is the callousness he's developed over the years...all bullshit!

 However, he doesn't recognize that his denial of Jesus' divinity and his frequent misinterpretation of biblical verses are tolerated by us. 

No one likes a debate with him because he is lazy fellow with no back up to substantiate his arguments....if he needs to lie to further his case..he will do so...
Very different from Hope who is younger, less petty and more honest 

if no one debates him,think he will talk to his fishes in the pool 
Sian he always  talk about Paul.

[Hope]

There exists a balance between good and evil in the world. His teachings have maintained this equilibrium for 1,400 years, and ultimately, evil can never surpass good.

That is why Islam will never be the dominant religion....if it is ..then The world will be in big trouble! The end of the world will be near!

I have heard good can surpass the evil.Anyway what are the evil teachings in Islam?
Islam is the only religion has banned abortion, adulatory, usury,Alcohol,drugs,same sex and etc.
Islam encourages charity, compulsory charity 2 1/2 on the wealth.
Islam encourages to take care the parents, orphans and etc.
Islam encourages cleanliness.

Quran never says Muslim should dominate the world.



“And if Allāh had willed, He could have made you [of] one religion, but He sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And you will surely be questioned about what you used to do.”Quran 16:93

[pinkpanther]

if no one debates him,think he will talk to his fishes in the pool 
Sian he always  talk about Paul.

Due to his extreme laziness, I wouldn't be surprised if many of his fish either starve or die from the neglect of not changing their water.

Paul surpasses Muhammad without a doubt. Muhammad is a warlord, is focused on expanding his empire and has devised a new religion to earn the loyalty of his followers to advance his goals....it is that simple...

Paul has no agenda!

[Hope]

Even God says 1 statement different people got different interpretations lah!

If you had the Aramaic bible, you would find the real/ original meaning of God’s word.


Unfortunately people give their own interpretations.

[pinkpanther]

I have heard good can surpass the evil.Anyway what are the evil teachings in Islam?
Islam is the only religion has banned abortion, adulatory, usury,Alcohol,drugs,same sex and etc.
Islam encourages charity, compulsory charity 2 1/2 on the wealth.
Islam encourages to take care the parents, orphans and etc.
Islam encourages cleanliness.

Quran never says Muslim should dominate the world.



“And if Allāh had willed, He could have made you [of] one religion, but He sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And you will surely be questioned about what you used to do.”Quran 16:93

The Ottoman empire went on a world conquest bro....Guess the death toll?

[Hope]

I will explain what a false prophet is. He argues that Jews and Christians should be judged by their own scriptures and claims those books are from Allah. However, in the hadith, he states that Allah will substitute a Muslim with a Jew or Christian over hell fire....

 Followers of Moses and Jesus will be judged by Torah and Injeel(Gospel of Jesus) only.

[Hope]

The Ottoman empire went on a world conquest bro....Guess the death toll?

Don’t mix up the politics.They also conquered Some Muslim countries including Makkah and Medina in Saudi Arabia

[pinkpanther]

Don’t mix up the politics.They also conquered Some Muslim countries including Makkah and Medina in Saudi Arabia

The Ottoman state based its authority on religion. The first warrior-sultans expanded the empire in the name of Islam. Sultans claimed the title of caliph, or successor to the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. Alongside the sultans, religious scholars, called ulama, played a significant role in running the state.

[Lukongsimi]

 Followers of Moses and Jesus will be judged by Torah and Injeel(Gospel of Jesus) only.

Galatians 3:10-14
 

10 Those who depend on obeying the Law live under a curse. For the scripture says, "Whoever does not always obey everything that is written in the book of the Law is under God's curse!" 
11 Now, it is clear that no one is put right with God by means of the Law, because the scripture says, "Only the person who is put right with God through faith shall live." 
12 But the Law has nothing to do with faith. Instead, as the scripture says, "Whoever [does] everything the Law requires will live." 
13 But by becoming a curse for us Christ has redeemed us from the curse that the Law brings; for the scripture says, "Anyone who is hanged on a tree is under God's curse." 
14 Christ did this in order that the blessing which God promised to Abraham might be given to the Gentiles by means of Christ Jesus, so that through faith we might receive the Spirit promised by God.

[pinkpanther]

if no one debates him,think he will talk to his fishes in the pool 
Sian he always  talk about Paul.

Oh to add further.. whenever he loses a debate, he tends to call you a liar... I've been labeled by him many times, even though I've consistently backed up my arguments with strong findings and these are his own Islamic evidences

There's no need for him to apologize, and I've learned to move past it. In a way, the shame isn't on me. There's really no point in engaging with someone who lacks basic courtesy.

[Ali Imran]

if no one debates him,think he will talk to his fishes in the pool 
Sian he always  talk about Paul.

I also talk about James, who spoke against the idea brought forth by Paul. James said it is foolish to believe the idea put forth by Paul.

I've shown you many times that you're a follower of Paul, not Jesus. You want the golden ticket and it was Paul who turned Jesus into that golden ticket and you bought it.

[Lukongsimi]

Oh to add further.. whenever he loses a debate, he tends to call you a liar... I've been labeled by him many times, even though I've consistently backed up my arguments with strong findings and these are his own Islamic evidences

There's no need for him to apologize, and I've learned to move past it. In a way, the shame isn't on me. There's really no point in engaging with someone who lacks basic courtesy.

Religious debate quite harmful better concentrate on our own belief

[pinkpanther]

Religious debate quite harmful better concentrate on our own belief

That's true...some people will take it to heart and behave like a small girl but some are open minded to different opinions.. like Hope.  

[S I M T A N]

None of those verses give us the offer for salvation like the one you believe, where all one must do is simply to believe Jesus paid for sins with his death on the cross.

Simply believing Christ died on a wooden cross outside of Jerusalem is nowhere near 'salvageable.' Satan and his demons fully believe Jesus is the Son of God, and they believe He died for the sins of the world. And yes, they believe that He rose again from the dead. In fact, they believe all those facts about Jesus more than we do because they were eyewitnesses to those events. But no one expects to see Satan and his minions in heaven because of their belief in the facts about Jesus. Belief is trusting in, clinging to, resting in His sacrificial death for salvation.

Someone died as a sacrifice for us who are guilty. Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. (John 1:29) The animals offered in the Old Testament sacrifices were without blemish, but they were just an object lesson pointing to the ultimate Sacrifice when God Himself would provide to atone for the sins of the world. The OT sacrifices were made by sinful priests continually to atone for their own sins. Christ was offered once. He was the High Priest who presented Himself as the sacrifice. While the OT sacrifices provided temporary reconciliation with God, Christ sacrifice offered eternal redemption for those who believe.

"But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption." (Heb 9:11-12)

Many's the time Jesus told His followers and His detractors that His crucifixion was the means by which He would accomplish His mission on earth: "From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day." (Matt 16:21)

"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die. (John 12:32-33)

Jesus taught what the unique aspect of His death and the voluntary surrender of His life would accomplish:

"The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." (Matt 20:28)

Jesus described His death as a ransom for our sins. For those of us who are Christians, He's the only Gatekeeper to heaven. No one gets there without coming through Him. This is the substance of the gospel that God compels us to share with others.

[S I M T A N]

I guess we have a different concept of forgiveness. Your portrayal of the almighty Creator is different from the Quran. We believe in an all-merciful and often-forgiving God. Prophet Daniel gave the same description of God in Daniel 9:9. What you have been showing me is anti-that, a merciless God who would punish a child stealing a lollipop with the same punishment as a rapist or a mass murderer. And no matter how you spin it, the picture is still an unforgiving God who insists on being paid with the blood of an innocent man, payment for the sins we have committed, a foreign idea that had never been heard before till Christians came along with it. 

What Jesus taught on salvation is the same as what Daniel or Ezekiel taught in the Jewish Bible. It continues with the Muslims, who are taught by the last messenger sent by the God of Jesus.

Peace and blessings be upon all the prophets mentioned.

Since when did I say God would punish a child stealing a lollipop with the same kind of punishment meted out to a mass murderer? When taken out of context, my comment sounds cruel. You failed to take account of the age of accountability for children, meaning, at what age are children responsible for their own sins?

While the term age of accountability isn't found in the Bible, the principle is. As long as a child isn't able to distinguish between good and evil, he or she isn't responsible for the corruption inherited from Adam or the sins he or she personally commits.

God has a special love for children. Ps 139:13-16; Matt 18:2-4; Matt 10:14-16. Although the children were infected with sin because of Adam's orginal rebellion, God didn't condemn them because they had "no knowledge of good or evil."

[pinkpanther]

Since when did I say God would punish a child stealing a lollipop with the same kind of punishment meted out to a mass murderer? When taken out of context, my comment sounds cruel. You failed to take account of the age of accountability for children, meaning, at what age are children responsible for their own sins?

While the term age of accountability isn't found in the Bible, the principle is. As long as a child isn't able to distinguish between good and evil, he or she isn't responsible for the corruption inherited from Adam or the sins he or she personally commits.

God has a special love for children. Ps 139:13-16; Matt 18:2-4; Matt 10:14-16. Although the children were infected with sin because of Adam's orginal rebellion, God didn't condemn them because they had "no knowledge of good or evil."

Age of accountability? Age to determine evil and good?
According to one prophet, the understanding is that it occurs around the age of 9, at a point when a child may still be playing with a doll   this is when she is considered to have reached a level of sexual maturity that makes her ready for penetration.....

[Lukongsimi]

I have heard good can surpass the evil.Anyway what are the evil teachings in Islam?
Islam is the only religion has banned abortion, adulatory, usury,Alcohol,drugs,same sex and etc.
Islam encourages charity, compulsory charity 2 1/2 on the wealth.
Islam encourages to take care the parents, orphans and etc.
Islam encourages cleanliness.

Quran never says Muslim should dominate the world.



“And if Allāh had willed, He could have made you [of] one religion, but He sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And you will surely be questioned about what you used to do.”Quran 16:93

“And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭18‬-‭23‬ ‭KJV

[pinkpanther]

The Quran calls us the worst of all creatures! 
Is that what a merciful and fair God will say?
Is Islam respectful to other religions?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ag90vPqVrEY?s...SadU_HVvde

[Lukongsimi]

The Quran calls us the worst of all creatures! 
Is that what a merciful and fair God will say?
Is Islam respectful to other religions?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ag90vPqVrEY?s...SadU_HVvde

In Christianity 

In the biblical account of creation we read how God made everything and then “God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good” (Genesis 1:31). In the case of humanity, we read that “God created mankind in his image; in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them”
“Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand

[pinkpanther]

In Christianity 

In the biblical account of creation we read how God made everything and then “God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good” (Genesis 1:31). In the case of humanity, we read that “God created mankind in his image; in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them”
“Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my

The Bible does not tell us to disrespect other religions

Romans 14:10
Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.” 

This verse speaks against looking down on others. It reminds Christians that ultimate judgment belongs to God, encouraging them to treat everyone with respect, regardless of differences in beliefs

[Lukongsimi]

If you had the Aramaic bible, you would find the real/ original meaning of God’s word.


Unfortunately people give their own interpretations.

How you know the Aramaic Bible was not translated correctly to today Bible ?
If have you also don’t understand Aramaic

[Lukongsimi]

The Bible does not tell us to disrespect other religions

Romans 14:10
Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.” 

This verse speaks against looking down on others. It reminds Christians that ultimate judgment belongs to God, encouraging them to treat everyone with respect, regardless of differences in beliefs

Cannot look down but to lead them to correct path that is the way

[Ali Imran]

Since when did I say God would punish a child stealing a lollipop with the same kind of punishment meted out to a mass murderer? When taken out of context, my comment sounds cruel. You failed to take account of the age of accountability for children, meaning, at what age are children responsible for their own sins?

While the term age of accountability isn't found in the Bible, the principle is. As long as a child isn't able to distinguish between good and evil, he or she isn't responsible for the corruption inherited from Adam or the sins he or she personally commits.

God has a special love for children. Ps 139:13-16; Matt 18:2-4; Matt 10:14-16. Although the children were infected with sin because of Adam's orginal rebellion, God didn't condemn them because they had "no knowledge of good or evil."

I apologise for my assumption about your faith. Among Christians, they have different beliefs on this issue, as you well know.

What do you believe will happen to a small child who steals a lollipop and dies soon after without ever knowing about Jesus?

[cheekopekman]

If you had the Aramaic bible, you would find the real/ original meaning of God’s word.


Unfortunately people give their own interpretations.

I agree with you on that note lah!  The original Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek lah! The King James Version KJV was supposed to be closest to the original Greek translation lah! Thanks for your reminder lah!

[S I M T A N]

I apologise for my assumption about your faith. Among Christians, they have different beliefs on this issue, as you well know.

What do you believe will happen to a small child who steals a lollipop and dies soon after without ever knowing about Jesus?

I want to believe that infants and young children who die are in heaven, but how are they who have never trusted in Christ saved? There's no definitive scriptural passage that clearly spells out the eternal destiny of children who are too young to comprehend the gospel. Ditto those who are mentally impaired and fail to grasp as well because of their intellectual limitations and are therefore childlike.

If faith in Christ is the basis by which everyone else in the world must be saved, then how is God able to bend the rules for children? I believe I can say with confidence that children who die are graciously welcomed by God into His heaven. God has a soft spot for children. He values their lives and grieves over their deaths (Ps 139:13-16) and condemns cruelty toward children. (Ezek 16:20-21)

"Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all." And He took them in His arms and began blessing them, laying His hands on them. (Mark 10:14-16)

Jesus was using children as an illustration of the humility necessary to receive God's gift of salvation. Now because of Adam's original sin against God, every person has been infested with the sin virus. "Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned." (Rom 5:12) Physical death is the proof we've contracted the sin virus, and the fact that everyone dies - incl children - is proof that no one is immune to this disease.

Obviously, God differentiates between children's inherited sin - over which they had no choice - and the willful disobedience of adults. Children have no ability to distinguish between good and evil and they have no ability to be charged with the same offence as their parents: unbelief. In the Bible the sin of unbelief isn't simply failing to believe God; it is the deliberate choice not ot believe what God has said. Unbelief is the willful rejection of God's revelation.

"And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief."(Heb 3:18-19) "Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the Living God. (v 12)

The Bible is clear: the sin of unbelief prevented them from entering "His rest." The consequence of a person's unbelief - the deliberate choice not to believe what God has said - is that he or she isn't able to enter into heaven.

[cheekopekman]

I want to believe that infants and young children who die are in heaven, but how are they who have never trusted in Christ saved? There's no definitive scriptural passage that clearly spells out the eternal destiny of children who are too young to comprehend the gospel. Ditto those who are mentally impaired and fail to grasp as well because of their intellectual limitations and are therefore childlike.

If faith in Christ is the basis by which everyone else in the world must be saved, then how is God able to bend the rules for children? I believe I can say with confidence that children who die are graciously welcomed by God into His heaven. God has a soft spot for children. He values their lives and grieves over their deaths (Ps 139:13-16) and condemns cruelty toward children. (Ezek 16:20-21)

"Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all." And He took them in His arms and began blessing them, laying His hands on them. (Mark 10:14-16)

Jesus was using children as an illustration of the humility necessary to receive God's gift of salvation. Now because of Adam's original sin against God, every person has been infested with the sin virus. "Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned." (Rom 5:12) Physical death is the proof we've contracted the sin virus, and the fact that everyone dies - incl children - is proof that no one is immune to this disease.

Obviously, God differentiates between children's inherited sin - over which they had no choice - and the willful disobedience of adults. Children have no ability to distinguish between good and evil and they have no ability to be charged with the same offence as their parents: unbelief. In the Bible the sin of unbelief isn't simply failing to believe God; it is the deliberate choice not ot believe what God has said. Unbelief is the willful rejection of God's revelation.

"And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief."(Heb 3:18-19) "Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the Living God. (v 12)

The Bible is clear: the sin of unbelief prevented them from entering "His rest." The consequence of a person's unbelief - the deliberate choice not to believe what God has said - is that he or she isn't able to enter into heaven.

In the Bible, Jesus said let little children go to Him and do not hinder them because the kingdom of God belongs to them lah!  We all must have childlike faith to enter heaven lah! Children being children don't know that taking something without permission is stealing lah! So adults must teach them the proper rights and wrongs lah! Next time they do it again, then we must discipline them lah!

[pinkpanther]

Interestingly, both Christianity and Islam hold the belief that children go to heaven. Somehow or rather...the prophet got this one right  ...He did check with previous scriptures after all 

[S I M T A N]

In the Bible, Jesus said let little children go to Him and do not hinder them because the kingdom of God belongs to them lah!  We all must have childlike faith to enter heaven lah! Children being children don't know that taking something without permission is stealing lah! So adults must teach them the proper rights and wrongs lah! Next time they do it again, then we must discipline them lah!

Some parents who have lost a young child through illness or accident wanted to know whether their kid would go into the presence of the Lord. The question can be expanded to include adults who were mentally challenged and hence were 'childlike' when they died.

Anyone with an ounce of compassion would want to comfort them. Beyond our desire to offer consoling words, is there any biblical reason to think that children who died before they were old enough to exercise faith in Christ are saved?

Well, I think kids are the least of our worries since they occupy a special place in God's heart. I believe children are saved in the same way people are saved today; by God's grace. A child who isn't able to exercise faith is no problem because no one is saved 'by faith.' Instead we're saved 'by grace .. through faith.' God's gracious act of sending Christ to die for our sins is the basis for our salvation, and faith is simply the means by which we access that salvation. We can comfort themselves with the thought that God is a merciful God who will do the right thing.

It's grown-ups who are a cause for worry. The Bible says unbelievers are 'without excuse' because of their conscious choice to reject God's truth:

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. (Rom 1:18,20)

[cheekopekman]

Some parents who have lost a young child through illness or accident wanted to know whether their kid would go into the presence of the Lord. The question can be expanded to include adults who were mentally challenged and hence were 'childlike' when they died.

Anyone with an ounce of compassion would want to comfort them. Beyond our desire to offer consoling words, is there any biblical reason to think that children who died before they were old enough to exercise faith in Christ are saved?

Well, I think kids are the least of our worries since they occupy a special place in God's heart. I believe children are saved in the same way people are saved today; by God's grace. A child who isn't able to exercise faith is no problem because no one is saved 'by faith.' Instead we're saved 'by grace .. through faith.' God's gracious act of sending Christ to die for our sins is the basis for our salvation, and faith is simply the means by which we access that salvation. We can comfort themselves with the thought that God is a merciful God who will do the right thing.

It's grown-ups who are a cause for worry. The Bible says unbelievers are 'without excuse' because of their conscious choice to reject God's truth:

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. (Rom 1:18,20)

You're right lah, bro!  But the Bible is very clear that we are all born sinners, sinners at birth lah! Children are innocent and won't know what is right or wrong but that doesn't mean they're not sinners lah! How God deals with them is God's responsibility lah! But we need to teach a child the way of the LORD so that he will not go astray lah! In the Bible, we read about children sacrificed to the fire, literally thrown into fire to die lah!