Scripture readings for Christmas

(29-03-2025, 11:43 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK..you want a debate...LKSM you give him one ..I will be the referee... Alizabird will speak for the Holy Spirit and Lksm will speak against the Holy Spirit ...

Loser will get out of this thread...sounds fair? Let us see if the moslem is really undefeated Big Grin

He is already defeated but iron teeth thick skin sensitive ..
using same questions make him brainless

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-03-2025, 12:18 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  He cannot win 
Answers all in the bible.
If use his Koran sure lost

OK .if he doesn't debate on why he believes the Holy Spirit is the truth....then we take it as he forfeited...so Lksm wins the debate by default... Big Grin

So don come and brag that he is undefeated
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(29-03-2025, 12:21 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  He is already defeated but iron teeth thick skin sensitive ..
using same questions make him brainless

yes...he has lost the debate even before he started....still want to challenge debate..what a joke Big Grin
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(29-03-2025, 12:24 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK .if he doesn't debate on why he believes the Holy Spirit is the truth....then we take it as he forfeited...so Lksm wins the debate by default... Big Grin

So don come and brag that he is undefeated
He is waiting for us to start first bef he can throw his smelly shit lol
We r no more stupid lol

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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It was narrated from Ibn 'Umar, that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) passed by Ibn Sayyad with a group of his Companions – among them 'Umar bin Al-Khattab – while he was playing with two boys at the fort of Banu Maghalah, and he was a boy. He did not realize until the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) struck him with his hand on his back, then he said: "Do you testify that I am the Messenger of Allah?" So Ibn Sayyad looked at him, and said: 'I testify that you are the Messenger to the illiterates'." He said: "Then Ibn Sayyad said to the Prophet(s.a.w): 'Do you testify that I am the Messenger of Allah?' So the Prophet(s.a.w) said: 'I believe in Allah and His Messengers'. Then the Prophet(s.a.w) said: 'Who has come to you?' Ibn Sayyad said: 'A truthful one and a liar came to me'. So the Prophet(s.a.w) said: 'The matter has been confused for you'. Then the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said: 'I have concealed something from you'. And he had concealed (the verse): The day when the sky will bring forth a visible smoke. Ibn Sayyad said: 'It is, "Ad-Dukh'." So the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said: 'Beat it! You can never surpass your ability'. 'Umar said: 'O Messenger of Allah! Permit me to chop off his head!' The Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said: 'If he is indeed him, then you will never overpower him, and if he is not, then there is no good in you killing him'." (Sahih)
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(29-03-2025, 12:37 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  He is waiting for us to start first bef he can throw his smelly shit lol
We r no more stupid lol

I asked you this earlier this morning.

Between the teachings of Jesus and Paul, which is the harder one to follow, aka the narrow path?

Peace and blessings be upon the son of Mary, the Christ.
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Eat full nothing to shit ?
The answers already provided can’t u read or u r illiterate?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-03-2025, 02:55 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Eat full nothing to shit ?
The answers already provided can’t u read or u r illiterate?

Yes, the answer is clear. The teaching of Jesus is the narrow path. 

Thank you.
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What is in the Injil, and where is it now? some claim it has been lost, others assert it has been corrupted, and some argue that it is not the same as the four Gospels of the New Testament. 

However, the Quran states that the Injil was revealed to Jesus and that it was indeed written. The Quran also affirms the existence of the Injil, emphasizing that the words of Allah will not be altered and that He will protect the scriptures. 

Additionally, Allah instructed Muhammad to refer to previous scriptures if he had any doubts. One of my friend argues that the Injil is not found in the Bible, yet he cannot provide any evidence for his claim. This ambiguity contributes to my disbelief in Islam, as it often appears unclear and tends to lead its followers on a confusing path..... confused moslems should know when to call it quits and stop being delusional..

Why is Allah asking you to go believe in the Injil when you have absolutely no idea of what was written? This is what we call a wild goose chase? Are you being misled ? By who?

On the contrary, the Bible has always been clear for mankind...
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(29-03-2025, 10:23 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I already told you why I cannot believe in Christianity.

I know already lah! Big Grin
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Every moslem will enter paradise eventually...Hope..I was right all along..
You moslems can up sell this theory to non moslem to ramp up the moslems number..

https://youtube.com/shorts/gUCeDFNsBMA?s...JZE67j-Ok0
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(29-03-2025, 04:26 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  What is in the Injil, and where is it now? some claim it has been lost, others assert it has been corrupted, and some argue that it is not the same as the four Gospels of the New Testament. 

However, the Quran states that the Injil was revealed to Jesus and that it was indeed written. The Quran also affirms the existence of the Injil, emphasizing that the words of Allah will not be altered and that He will protect the scriptures. 

Additionally, Allah instructed Muhammad to refer to previous scriptures if he had any doubts. One of my friend argues that the Injil is not found in the Bible, yet he cannot provide any evidence for his claim. This ambiguity contributes to my disbelief in Islam, as it often appears unclear and tends to lead its followers on a confusing path..... confused moslems should know when to call it quits and stop being delusional..

Why is Allah asking you to go believe in the Injil when you have absolutely no idea of what was written? This is what we call a wild goose chase? Are you being misled ? By who?

On the contrary, the Bible has always been clear for mankind...

What exactly is the Injil? Jesus mentioned in the Quran that Muhammad could be found within it. Why did Allah instruct Moslems to believe in the Injil if He cannot safeguard it?

 If the Injil refers to the four Gospels of the New Testament then it seems to contradict Allah’s message. ...

The Injil is Allah's word and nobody can change Allah 's words ..but yet somehow moslems claim that it has been changed....creative thinking..how đo they know that when they have never seen the Injil

Islam asserts the existence of the Injil but has not provided substantial evidence to support this claim. For those considering converting to Islam, it's important to understand the contents of the Injil....
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“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭13‬-‭20‬ ‭KJV

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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https://youtu.be/aTr1coOgmtk?si=VAddDPmUxb9tROdt

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(29-03-2025, 07:02 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Thank you for the reply.

I didn't include the preceding verse because I wanted to bring up the part where Jesus warned about the one who would teach others to set aside the law. Paul did exactly that, teaching others to do so, and he taught that even to the Jews. Christians have ignored the warning Jesus gave about someone like Paul. How come? Instead of being wary of Paul, Christians have elevated Paul to the status of an apostle, placing him above the disciples taught by Jesus. Do you know how that came about? I suggest we both look into the history of early Christianity. 

Now, let's look at the preceding verses, which I didn't include. You bolded one part, which is ambiguous. I'd like to highlight another part instead that has no ambiguity.  "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." That part destroys your narrative. Jesus did not abolish the law. You are mistaken, and it is a critical mistake. 

Please think it over. Lately, all your arguments have been rebutted and you have no reply to the rebuttals. The part about "only true God", the part about "in the Father", or the many arguments I've made against the Trinity. It's time that you reset your faith and go back to square one. Study Islam, the Quran, and the messenger صلي الله عليه وسلم who was sent with the Quran.


You're so fixated on reading Scriptural texts in insolation that you can't see the big picture. Playing with words like "ambiguity" and "only true God" in an attempt to pooh-pooh the deity of Christ , you also disregard the verses saying Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to anyone who believes.

When the Scripture passages mention the "law," they refer to the law code established by revelation from God to direct His people in their worship, their relationship with Him, and their social relationship with one another. Comprising many specific commandments and rules, this law was given in the OT. God has written off the rules (Rom 10:4).

There's confusion with the Law of Christ and the Law of Moses because they have similar commandments. But because 9 of the 10 commandments can be found in the NT, it doesn't mean the Law of Moses is still in effect. If a Christian steals, they break the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. If we choose to keep part of the law (for example, dietary laws), we're free to do so, but keeping the law of Moses is neither commanded nor expected. To keep part of the Mosaic law in the belief that we're obligated to do so is to not have trust in the perfect and complete work of Christ.

Attempts to sanctify by the observance of the Law is forbidden in the New Covenant since it diminishes the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. Christ's coming in the New Testament ended the law as a means of achieving righteousness with God. His death on the cross rendered the law eternally ineffective as a way to be in right standing with God.

As a full-bodied Muslim, you have claimed to be a follower of Christ. But are you grounded in Him? What are you relying on to make you right before God: your own efforts and good deeds, or what Jesus has done for you?  That's a critical question to ask, because lasting change can only happen if you're "in Christ." It means genuinely putting your trust and hope in the One who has made it possible through His life of perfect obedience, His death on the cross, and His resurrection from the dead - Jesus Christ. It's my prayer that you will don the garments of salvation of Christ and not put on your own robe of righteousness.
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No, how can you say that Muhammad was sent for all of mankind ...He was also sent for the Jinn.. Big Grin . How can you claim that you bring good news to us when you are the same as the Quran, lacking in details?

Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the Aalameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)” [al-Anbiya' 21:107].

Anyway we don believe in his revelations because everything is based on just his words ...he does not have any witness in that cave and neither have anyone witness him communicating with God....
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Who says Jesus is sent only for a specific group..

John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Jesus warned his people about false prophet like Muhammad

1. Jesus taught to pray to the Father.. Muhammad rejects the concept of God being the Father

2. Jesus teaches very clearly that if someone marries a person who is divorced for any other reason than fornication, they have committed adultery...In contrast, Muhammad not only taught that marrying a divorced person was permissible (Surah 2:230), he also personally married a divorced woman from own stepson Zaid

3.Jesus taught that in Heaven, there will be no marriage:Muhammad Taught that there is Marriage in Heaven

4.Jesus Forbade Vain Repitition... Muhammad approved

5.Jesus Repeatedly Foretold His Death in many verses..Muhammad seemingly denied that Jesus died on the cross,

6. Jesus Said He was the Only Way to Heaven...Muhammad, in so many words, calls Him a liar.Then, in the Hadith, Muhammad usurps the role of sole mediator (1 Timothy 2:5) from Jesus, and assigns it to himself (Sahih al-Bukhari 4476, 4712, 6565, 7410, 7440, 7510, and Sahih Muslim 193a-e, 194a), even though he himself was a sinner (Surah 40:55, 47:19, 48:1-2, Sahih al-Bukhari 6307).

7.Muhammad Taught to Take Vengeance.. surah 2:194..Jesus Christ taught not to take vengeance for ourselves when others wrong us

8.Muhammad Ignored Jesus's Ordinances..
Muhammad did not baptize people in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, nor did he keep the ordinance of the Lord's Supper in memory of Jesus's death and resurrection.
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Jesus taught many things about Himself that Muhammad completely rejected, including:

Jesus said that He has all power in Heaven and Earth (Matthew 28:18)
Jesus said that He is present whenever people gather in His name (Matthew 18:20)
Jesus said that He can be with millions of believers simultaneously (Matthew 28:20)
Jesus said that He can forgive sins (Matthew 9:2-6, Mark 2:5-12, Luke 5:20-26)
Jesus said that He can give people Eternal Life (John 10:28)
Jesus said that He can raise the dead, and will judge the living and the dead (John 5:21-22)
Jesus said that He has the keys of Hell and of death (Revelation 1:18)
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Yes..Muhammad fits the bill of a false prophet..and I do not worship the God that Muhammad worship..
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Come on...let us get real...if i am the last prophet...I wouldn't be wasting time inspecting pubic hair...

You mean God sent someone so important to inspect pubic hair? I find it difficult to believe lah

https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2541
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(30-03-2025, 01:39 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  You're so fixated on reading Scriptural texts in insolation that you can't see the big picture. Playing with words like "ambiguity" and "only true God" in an attempt to pooh-pooh the deity of Christ , you also disregard the verses saying Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to anyone who believes.

I see a great disparity in the teachings between that of Jesus and of Paul. I've highlighted it to you but you refused to look at it without prejudice. You said I am isolating verses and you are correct. I'm isolating the words of Jesus and the words of Paul. The difference is apparent. Jesus said the Law must stay and Paul said the law is finished. That one I bolded, it was Paul who said that, contradicting Jesus who said he wasn't abolishing the law or the prophets.

Either Paul is right or Jesus is right. Which one?



(30-03-2025, 01:39 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  When the Scripture passages mention the "law," they refer to the law code established by revelation from God to direct His people in their worship, their relationship with Him, and their social relationship with one another. Comprising many specific commandments and rules, this law was given in the OT. God has written off the rules (Rom 10:4).

There it is again. Paul said that. Why then do you attribute those words to God? Furthermore, Jesus said he wasn't sent to abolish the Law. He also said the Law must stay. And he also warned his people about someone like Paul who will teach people to discard the law. Why are you not heeding the warning? What is causing you to deaf your ears to that clear warning?



(30-03-2025, 01:39 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  There's confusion with the Law of Christ and the Law of Moses because they have similar commandments. But because 9 of the 10 commandments can be found in the NT, it doesn't mean the Law of Moses is still in effect. If a Christian steals, they break the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. If we choose to keep part of the law (for example, dietary laws), we're free to do so, but keeping the law of Moses is neither commanded nor expected. To keep part of the Mosaic law in the belief that we're obligated to do so is to not have trust in the perfect and complete work of Christ.

Attempts to sanctify by the observance of the Law is forbidden in the New Covenant since it diminishes the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. Christ's coming in the New Testament ended the law as a means of achieving righteousness with God. His death on the cross rendered the law eternally ineffective as a way to be in right standing with God.

Again, you're championing the teachings of Paul over that of Jesus. Paul said if you observe the law, you're under a curse. Jesus said you must observe the law. Who is correct?



(30-03-2025, 01:39 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  As a full-bodied Muslim, you have claimed to be a follower of Christ. But are you grounded in Him? What are you relying on to make you right before God: your own efforts and good deeds, or what Jesus has done for you?  That's a critical question to ask, because lasting change can only happen if you're "in Christ." It means genuinely putting your trust and hope in the One who has made it possible through His life of perfect obedience, His death on the cross, and His resurrection from the dead - Jesus Christ. It's my prayer that you will don the garments of salvation of Christ and not put on your own robe of righteousness.

No, I am not a follower of Jesus. I am a follower of the Prophet of Arabia. Both of them were sent by the same God and it follows that both brought the same core teachings. However, Jesus said he was sent only to the Israelites, and Muhammad is the messenger for all of mankind, and that includes you and I.

Peace and blessings be upon the two mighty messengers of Allah.
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When we learn about Paul we learn about him through first generation eyewitness accounts.

When we learn about Muhammad, we learn about him through late sources written by people who didn't know him, whose parents didn't know him and whose grandparents didn't know him.

People who were fishing for historical facts in a sea of fabrication and deception. A few years ago the crumbling historical foundations for the life of Muhammad led the Islamic scholar Muhammad Sven Kalisch to conclude that Muhammad probably never existed.

I don't agree with Dr Kalisch's conclusion about Muhammad's existence, but when even Muslim Scholars are starting to recognize how difficult it's become to take Muslim sources seriously our confidence in the historical Muhammad vanishes.
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Paul Was a brillian scholar; Muhammad Was Not - The Apostle Paul was a brilliant scholar who defended his views in Athens, the intellectual capital of the ancient world, and in other major cities. He had discussions with the Stoic and Epicurian philosophers of his day and he could quote their sources to them.

 Even Anthony Flu, one of the 20th Century's most impressive critics of Christianity, said that the Apostle Paul possessed a first class philosophical mind. Muhammad by contrast was an illiterate 7th Century Caravan Trader. Now being an illiterate 7th Century Caravan Trader doesn't make you wrong, just as being a brilliant scholar doesn't make you right. 


But when we're dealing with claims about history and theology and various other topics having some sort of education helps. Not having an education leaves you open to obviously false revelations because you don't know enough to recognize them as false. This is why we find Muhammad telling his followers that Dhul-Qarnain traveled so far west he found the place where the sun sets, and that stars are missile that Allah uses to shoot demons, and that semen is formed between the backbone and the ribs. 

These are exactly the sort of absurdities we would expect from someone who has no clue what he's talking about, and who therefore has no clue whether his revelations line up with reality.
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Paul Was a Contemporary of Jesus Muhammad was not - The apostle Paul was a contemporary of Jesus and he spent much of his time in first century Israel, this put Paul in a perfect position to gain accurate historical information about Jesus.

If you want reliable information about a person it's pretty helpful being a member of the person's own generation. And Paul was right there. Muhammad was born more than half a millennium after Jesus death in a completely different country.

Since he couldn't read, apart from Divine Revelation his knowledge of Jesus was limited to whatever stories were popular in 7th Century Arabia. This is why when we read the Quran we find so many stories about Jesus that are known to be forgeries. Mary giving birth under a palm tree Surah Maryam - 16-26, Jesus preaching when he was still a baby Surat Maryam [19:29-34], Jesus giving life to clay birds Surah Al-Ma'idah - 110. We know where these stories come from, and they don't come from the first century.
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Paul Spoke the Relevant Languages Muhammad Didn't - The Apostle Paul was fluent in Hebrew Aramaic and Greek. All of the languages necessary for understanding the Old Testament, the claims of Jesus and the earliest Christian writings. Muhammad couldn't speak any of the relevant languages so any attempt to understand the Old Testament, the claims of Jesus, or the earliest Christian writings would have required the help of interpreters.

 I normally wouldn't bring this up as a problem, but since Muslims are obsessed with reading the Quran in the original Arabic, we can only assume that the writings of Moses, the teachings of Jesus and the writings of Jesus followers can only be understood in the original languages. Paul could do that, Muhammad couldn't. 

Muhammad's ignorance of the original languages leads to further problems: For example the Quran refers to the book revealed through, Jesus as the "Injil", but the Arabic word Injil is ultimately derived from the Greek word "Evangelion" meaning good news. So according to the Quran the book, revealed through Jesus was written in Greek, this makes absolutely no sense if Jesus was only sent to his fellow Jews as Islam claims, but it makes perfect sense if Jesus message was for the rest of the world as well since Greek was the international language of the time. 

Interestingly the New Testament gospels were written in Greek, exactly what we would expect given the quran's use of the term Injil, but quite unexpected given Muhammad's notion of Jesus life and mission, not to mention Muhammad's conviction that Revelations can't be translated. Quite hypocritical indeed.
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Comparing Muhammad to Paul.. Big Grin
You gotta be joking! Paul anytime!
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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““Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭32‬-‭33‬ ‭NIV

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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