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S I M T A N · 06-04-2025, 02:22 AM

(05-04-2025, 09:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: It is not about earining our way to heaven. It is about obedience to God. You are confusing even yourself. Please clarify. Do you have to obey the law or not?

I think we're still debating about Sola Fide, albeit on a different facet of this hot-button issue. Do you recall us patiently explaining SF to you over the eons, but you kept pooh-poohing everything we said, which was essentially based on Scriptures. You could say debate is a two-way process and disagreeing is fine, but shoving your unbiblical opinions down your interlocutors' throats unceasingly irks them no end and savours of intolerance and bigotry.

Anyway, it's definitely about "earning our way to heaven." Consider how salvation is obtained. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift given by a gracious God to all who receive it by faith. The Qur'an, on the other hand, says you can obtain salvation if you submit yourself to Allah, obey His laws, and your good works out weight your bad works which is, to all intents and purposes, trying to earn your ticket to paradise.

For Christian believers, to seek salvation through good works - the way Muslims do - is a denial that Christ is the only Redeemer and Savior (Gal 2:16) All our efforts will come to nought. The NT makes it painfully clear that our noblest efforts at self-reformation or righteousness fall short of what God's holiness requires. "No flesh shall be justified by the works of the law" (Rom 3:20).

Now, another sticking point. Obedience to God's law is not a simple matter of saying yea or nay. It's a lengthy subject of discussion for another day. Suffice to say, I was disobedient when I lived independently of Christ, but when I returned to His fold I started obeying God to the best of my ability. One thing remains constant: committed followers of Christ will never discard God's laws nor will they regard their salvation of grace as a licence to sin. Since they're redeemed by grace alone, through Christ alone, they must still do good works and obey God's Word. When God issues declarations and commands, then they're absolute. When God mandates what He requires from me, then I had better listen.

S I M T A N · 06-04-2025, 02:30 AM

(05-04-2025, 09:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: I read in the Gospel of how the parents of Prophet John the Baptist, pbut, were obedient to the law perfectly. Luke 1:6

Anyhow, the idea is not about perfection. The law is about obedience to God. How do you show obedience to God? By obeying his commands, ie. doing what God wants you to do and refraining from what God forbids. Everyday you show obedience to men like our government so why not you show the same or even greater obedience to God?

Not only were the parents of John the Baptist obedient to God's laws, spiritual leaders such as Abraham, Nicodemus and Cornelius showed sincere love for God and careful observance of God's laws. Their faith in God and their righteousness, however, were not sufficient for them to secure eternal life, They needed something more - and that something more was the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The consistent message of Jesus, the apostles, and all the NT writers is clear: There's no other name through which we can be saved other than through Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself said, "You must be born again" (John 3:7). It's easy to demonstrate from Jesus's evangelistic ministry that He taught sola fide. For example, it was Jesus Himself who stated, "he who hears My Word, and believes .. has passed out of death into life" (John 5:24). It's quite clear Jesus taught justification by faith alone.

What do justification and sanctification mean? Justification means our declared righteousness before God, made possible by Christ's death and resurrection for us. Sanctification means our gradual, growing righteousness, made possible by the Spirit's work in us.

cheekopekman · 06-04-2025, 06:41 AM

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." (Hebrews 13:8 NIV) Remember this truth lah! Big Grin

pinkpanther · 06-04-2025, 08:42 AM

Quran chapter 5, verse 5: "Today, all good things have been made lawful to you. The food of the People of the Book is permitted to you, and your food is permitted to them"

Come come come, pork is permissible for all moslems....Allah approved!

pinkpanther · 06-04-2025, 08:48 AM

https://youtube.com/shorts/LeeaLJo6tAc?s...gRM7SyA2-h

Lukongsimi · 06-04-2025, 10:43 AM

“If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me. But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD. And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭16‬:‭29‬-‭35‬ ‭KJV

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