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(Yesterday, 08:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: I will not agree.
the complacency of every moslem parroting the same message without studying in details
The fact that the Quran has textual variants and alterations suggest that it is not well preserved
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I am not able to view any images you posted while I'm overseas.
When you say textual variants, do you mean like the NT has textual variants? If so, you're wrong.
The Quran has, for example, a variance in a word in 1:4. The variance being "maalik" and "malik", which means "owner" and "king". But such variance was from the very beginning, at the time of the Prophet, and the variance was from the Prophet. And till today, the variance is preserved, well-preserved.
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(Yesterday, 08:56 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Yasir Qadhi an Islamic scholar has doubt in Islam regarding the preservation of the Quran
No, he doesn't, afaik.
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(Yesterday, 08:27 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Who proof u have to claim your Koran is preserved ?
I don’t believe it!
We have manuscripts from the very beginning. The earliest manuscript of the Quran, which was dated to the time of the Prophet, found in the 21st century, is exactly the same as the Quran we have today. Even though that manuscript is only a few pages, it is 100% accurate.
But the manuscript is not how we know the Quran is preserved. We know the Quran is preserved because we memorized it from the very beginning. This requires a long explanation and if you are really interested, I will take the time to explain it.
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It’s only man claimed
I don’t believe it
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 08:59 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: No, he doesn't, afaik.
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I fully understand what Yasir is talking...
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Ubayy ibn Ka'b is the Master reciter of the Quran...
So was his version the same as uthman's compilation
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(Yesterday, 09:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:
Do you understand what he is talking about?
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(Yesterday, 09:10 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: I fully understand what Yasir is talking...
Please explain to me what he said.
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(Yesterday, 09:19 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Please explain to me what he said.
In short the standard narrative has holes...
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(Yesterday, 09:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: In short the standard narrative has holes...
I agree with him. But that doesn't mean the Quran is not preserved.
And don't bluff. You have no idea what he is talking about. I know your knowledge about the Quran or its preservation is almost zero. What he said requires you to study a lot before you can understand.
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(Yesterday, 09:06 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: It’s only man claimed
I don’t believe it
You have every right to disbelieve it.
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(Yesterday, 09:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I agree with him. But that doesn't mean the Quran is not preserved.
And don't bluff. You have no idea what he is talking about. I know your knowledge about the Quran or its preservation is almost zero. What he said requires you to study a lot before you can understand.
Generally, I understand what he was talking about, but given his line of work, I have zero knowledge....
it's easy to find a transcript of what he said in this video online.
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(Yesterday, 09:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I agree with him. But that doesn't mean the Quran is not preserved.
And don't bluff. You have no idea what he is talking about. I know your knowledge about the Quran or its preservation is almost zero. What he said requires you to study a lot before you can understand.
Yes you are right .I also have zero knowledge of the Quran because the Kitab is only revealed in Arabic..Moslems hold that the Quran itself can never truly be translated...
Do you have full knowledge?
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(Yesterday, 09:49 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Generally, I understand what he was talking about, but given his line of work, I have zero knowledge....
it's easy to find a transcript of what he said in this video online.
We have the Sanaa manuscript containing the complete Quran. It has been dated to within 100 years of the Prophet's time. This manuscript was discovered in 1972.
How accurate is the Sanaa to the Quran we have today? I would say around 99% accurate, because of scribal errors.
So, a complete Quran written down 1,300 years ago is the same Quran as we have today. That is proof that the Quran has indeed been preserved.
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(Yesterday, 09:58 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Yes you are right .I also have zero knowledge of the Quran because the Kitab is only revealed in Arabic..Moslems hold that the Quran itself can never truly be translated...
Do you have full knowledge?
Full knowledge of what? The Quran? Nobody has full knowledge of the Quran. God says in the Quran that mankind can never finish studying the Quran.
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(Yesterday, 09:59 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We have the Sanaa manuscript containing the complete Quran. It has been dated to within 100 years of the Prophet's time. This manuscript was discovered in 1972.
How accurate is the Sanaa to the Quran we have today? I would say around 99% accurate, because of scribal errors.
So, a complete Quran written down 1,300 years ago is the same Quran as we have today. That is proof that the Quran has indeed been preserved.
Ok..scribble errors ..Allah is the author of the Quran..Is He capable of the slightest error?
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(Yesterday, 10:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Full knowledge of what? The Quran? Nobody has full knowledge of the Quran. God says in the Quran that mankind can never finish studying the Quran.
If no one has full knowledge of the Quran...then why should Imams be allowed to teach?
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(Yesterday, 10:08 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Ok..scribble errors ..Allah is the author of the Quran..Is He capable of the slightest error?
There is not a single error in the Quran.
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(Yesterday, 10:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: If no one has full knowledge of the Quran...then why should Imams be allowed to teach?
Every teacher teaches what he know of the Quran.
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(Yesterday, 10:11 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: There is not a single error in the Quran.
You just mentioned scribble errors..
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(Yesterday, 10:12 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Every teacher teaches what he know of the Quran.
So you have many teachers teaching the Quran or you stick to one teacher through out? Is reciting the Quran compulsory if you attend a religious class?
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(Yesterday, 10:14 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: So you have many teachers teaching the Quran or you stick to one teacher through out? Is reciting the Quran compulsory if you attend a religious class?
Reciting the Quran is compulsory at every prayer we do 5 times a day.
Religious class on the Quran, yes, they will be reciting the Quran.
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Koran Preserved or not is not important
The issue is why moslems will all go to hell?
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(Yesterday, 10:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Reciting the Quran is compulsory at every prayer we do 5 times a day.
Religious class on the Quran, yes, they will be reciting the Quran.
Ok . how about memorising the whole book? Is it compulsory?
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(Yesterday, 10:12 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You just mentioned scribble errors..
A scribe may make mistakes, but the Hafiz, or even someone like me, would know that the scribe made a mistake, like a spelling mistake.
As for the content of the Quran, there is no mistake.
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(Yesterday, 10:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Ok . how about memorising the whole book? Is it compulsory?
No, it is not compulsory to memorize the entire Quran but all Muslims must memorize like 0.1% of the Quran.
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(Yesterday, 10:12 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You just mentioned scribble errors..
Scribal.
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(Yesterday, 10:18 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: A scribe may make mistakes, but the Hafiz, or even someone like me, would know that the scribe made a mistake, like a spelling mistake.
As for the content of the Quran, there is no mistake.
The recitation can have no mistakes but the book can contain scribble or spelling errors?
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