[Ali Imran]

The site is Shia but the Hadith is Sunni.
Focus on the Hadith not the site ...

There is no such thing as a Sunni Hadith.

Anyhow, its obscure and according to another scholar, it was a dream.

I too have dreamt of God and God was wearing a Chinese costume, like the ones you see in Chinese wayang. There was plenty of that wayang when I was a kid but I hardly see them anymore.

[pinkpanther]

As I've said, it is an obscure Hadith. You don't find it in the two main Sahih Hadith collections, Bukhari and Muslim. There must be a reason why they rejected that Hadith.

And if I'm not mistaken, that Hadith is talking about a dream. Wallahu 'alam.

Anyhow, we are talking about contradictions WITHIN the Quran.

I already showed you the contradiction..how do we know if the Quran contradicts the Bible? We do a comparison with the verses and teachings...

I have already compared the "God cannot take on human form"  with the Hadith. The author is a highly respected scholars and he has other Imams and scholars that respected his views

[Ali Imran]

Watch this. It is live now.

They are Muslim dakwah people. Currently, they are talking to an atheist who has been studying Islam for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/live/ubxUl1wfHVw...oK7qN8kYdL

[Ali Imran]

I already showed you the contradiction..how do we know if the Quran contradicts the Bible? We do a comparison with the verses and teachings...

I have already compared the "God cannot take on human form"  with the Hadith. The author is a highly respected scholars and he has other Imams and scholars that respected his views

The challenge is for you to find any errors or contradictions WITHIN the Quran. The fact that you had to go to an external source just so you could present a contradiction speaks volume of your failure to find any contradictions within the Quran.

[pinkpanther]

There is no such thing as a Sunni Hadith.

Anyhow, its obscure and according to another scholar, it was a dream.

I too have dreamt of God and God was wearing a Chinese costume, like the ones you see in Chinese wayang. There was plenty of that wayang when I was a kid but I hardly see them anymore.

Look, it says interesting sunni Hadith..am I lying?

[Ali Imran]

Look, it says interesting sunni Hadith..am I lying?

No, I didn't say you're lying.

I only said it is an obscure Hadith.

[pinkpanther]

The challenge is for you to find any errors or contradictions WITHIN the Quran. The fact that you had to go to an external source just so you could present a contradiction speaks volume of your failure to find any contradictions within the Quran.

How do I verify if it is a contradiction? By comparing with external source! How to compare a contradiction within the book itself..it is like committing ịncest..

[pinkpanther]

No, I didn't say you're lying.

I only said it is an obscure Hadith.

I don care for what you said...I care for what the scholars and Imams said

It was written in ibn tamiyya book. Are you saying he is committing shirk

[pinkpanther]

Watch this. It is live now.

They are Muslim dakwah people. Currently, they are talking to an atheist who has been studying Islam for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/live/ubxUl1wfHVw...oK7qN8kYdL

Hamza?

[Ali Imran]

How do I verify if it is a contradiction? By comparing with external source! How to compare a contradiction within the book itself..it is like committing ịncest..

Oh.. okay. I get you now.

When I showed you a contradiction in the Bible, I didn't have to go to an external source. Within the Bible itself, you can find many contradictions.

Do you know that the Quran was revealed piecemeal, over a period of 23 years? It was revealed interactively, like when some people came to the prophet and said something or asked something, a verse would then be revealed addressing that something or that question. Or when a domestic situation came about and a command was revealed to address that situation.

So for over 23 years, the verses of the Quran was slowly being revealed. If it were man-made, you will find contradictions within it, like it is in the Bible. 

So, when I say I believe the Quran is from God, it is not blind faith. My faith is based on knowledge and evidence.

[pinkpanther]

Oh.. okay. I get you now.

When I showed you a contradiction in the Bible, I didn't have to go to an external source. Within the Bible itself, you can find many contradictions.

doesnt mean I must conform with your style isnt it...
You specifically ask for a contradiction..and I showed you by comparing...

If you want me to show you contradictions within the Quran like what you said ..there is a list..but are you able to deal with it

[pinkpanther]

So, when I say I believe the Quran is from God, it is not blind faith. My faith is based on knowledge and evidence.

What evidences?

[Ali Imran]

doesnt mean I must conform with your style isnt it...
You specifically ask for a contradiction..and I showed you by comparing...

If you want me to show you contradictions within the Quran like what you said ..there is a list..but are you able to deal with it

Go ahead. But please don't do a red herring. Don't give me a video. Put it in your own words and I will address it, inshaallah.

[Ali Imran]

What evidences?

When I said the Quran is preserved, I can bring evidence. Or when I say Islam is appealing to the intellectuals, I can show you the intellectuals.

[pinkpanther]

Go ahead. But please don't do a red herring. Don't give me a video. Put it in your own words and I will address it, inshaallah.

I won't even write because the list is just too long.

https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/contra...the-quran/

[Ali Imran]

doesnt mean I must conform with your style isnt it...

Remember the challenge. The challenge is from the Quran, and a parameter was given. So you cannot go to an external source

[Ali Imran]

I won't even write because the list is just too long.

https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/contra...the-quran/

That is known as a red herring.

I want it in your own words. Take one, the best one you can find, tell me how is it a contradiction, and we go for another round.

[pinkpanther]

That is known as a red herring.

I want it in your own words. Take one, the best one you can find, tell me how is it a contradiction, and we go for another round.

Ok ..one last round. This is taking a toil on me. 
Ding! Ding! Ding!

Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion….

OR

Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

[Ali Imran]

Ok ..one last round. This is taking a toil on me. 
Ding! Ding! Ding!

Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion….

OR

Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

Did any of the verses you brought says "force them to accept Islam"?

[Ali Imran]

Ok ..one last round. This is taking a toil on me. 
Ding! Ding! Ding!

The reason why I want it in your own words is so that you can learn. 

Many non-Muslims became Muslims after doing this back-and-forth with Muslims, like in Hamza's stream. After a while, they will realize that Islam is the truth and the truth will compel them to accept Islam.

SimTan once said he is interested in the truth, but after discussing with him here, I realized he is not interested in the truth. If he is, he would do what you're doing, challenge my faith.

[pinkpanther]

Remember the challenge. The challenge is from the Quran, and a parameter was given. So you cannot go to an external source

You see this is no fun .. now I can only resort to using people' past arguments to make a case...

Yesterday was different..you can never find that piece of Hadith and that verse saying God can never be a man and you piece them together . ...I can tell you..that is some effort  that is something new...

[cheekopekman]

Yes, I believe in the miracles of God. I believe Jesus pbuh performed miracles by the permission of God.

According to the Bible, the 1st miracle of Jesus was at the wedding at Cana where Jesus turned water into wine lah!  How could such a thing happen leh? How can water become wine leh? That's a miracle lah!

[Ali Imran]

According to the Bible, the 1st miracle of Jesus was at the wedding at Cana where Jesus turned water into wine lah!  How could such a thing happen leh? How can water become wine leh? That's a miracle lah!

The first miracle of Jesus, according to the Quran, was his speaking while still an infant.

When his mother brought a baby home, she was liable for the stoning punishment, she was going to be stoned to death. But how did she escape that? Because the baby spoke.

[Ali Imran]

You see this is no fun .. now I can only resort to using people' past arguments to make a case...

Yesterday was different..you can never find that piece of Hadith and that verse saying God can never be a man and you piece them together . ...I can tell you..that is some effort  that is something new...

If you take an external source, we will then have a case of that external source against the Quran, and we need to first determine which one is right, your external source or the Quran.

[pinkpanther]

The reason why I want it in your own words is so that you can learn. 

Many non-Muslims became Muslims after doing this back-and-forth with Muslims, like in Hamza's stream. After a while, they will realize that Islam is the truth and the truth will compel them to accept Islam.

SimTan once said he is interested in the truth, but after discussing with him here, I realized he is not interested in the truth. If he is, he would do what you're doing, challenge my faith.

Hamza  why don't you go listen to credible speakers like scholars and Imams...especially Zakir Naid 

SimTan is not interested in Islam...same goes to Lksm, ckpm and me....we all know where the truth lies.

[cheekopekman]

Nope... Only Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus at that time ...Matthew fled while John stayed recorded his account..

You're right on that lah!

I'm talking about the book, Mark, Luke and Matthew. The authors of those books say all the disciples fled. According to you, all 3 authors got it wrong.

I may be wrong but in my opinion, all the disciples fled when Jesus was arrested at the garden because they feared for their lives also lah!  But John came back and Jesus on the cross told him to take Mary as his mother lah! John was the author of the Gospel of John so he wrote about himself lah!

[pinkpanther]

If you take an external source, we will then have a case of that external source against the Quran, and we need to first determine which one is right, your external source or the Quran.

Asserting that there is no contradiction is an invitation for others to present evidence that challenges or refutes that claim...so no need to determine which one is right or wrong if you make a claim

[Ali Imran]

Hamza  why don't you go listen to credible speakers like scholars and Imams...especially Zakir Naid 

SimTan is not interested in Islam...same goes to Lksm, ckpm and me....we all know where the truth lies.

Who has the truth? James or Paul? You said you know where the truth lies. So tell who has the truth between James and Paul?

[Ali Imran]

Asserting that there is no contradiction is an invitation for others to present evidence that challenges or refutes that claim...so need to determine right or wrong if you make a claim

When I show you the contradiction from the Bible, I don't need to go to an external source. The contradiction lies within the Bible.

Does the Quran have contradictions within itself? Allah says no. If you can find one, that means Allah is wrong and the Quran is not from our almighty God.

[pinkpanther]

When I show you the contradiction from the Bible, I don't need to go to an external source. The contradiction lies within the Bible.

Does the Quran have contradictions within itself? Allah says no. If you can find one, that means Allah is wrong and the Quran is not from our almighty God.

You are putting mẹ in a tough spot. ..I believe parts of the Quran contain the word of God but the rest does not conform to previous scriptures