Scripture readings for Christmas

(08-07-2025, 09:25 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  It is not a new interpretation. I've said it before albeit I never gave you an example. The verse 10:94 clearly says it, to ask the people of the book who were with the prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.

Where did it say ask the people of the book who were with the prophet...these people who believe in his prophethood are moslems who used to be jews and Christians....kelong!
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(08-07-2025, 09:31 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Where did it say ask the people of the book who were with the prophet...these people who believe in his prophethood are moslems who used to be jews and Christians....kelong!

When Allah says, "Ask those who read the scriptures before you", shouldn't it be the people who were there with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم?
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(08-07-2025, 09:30 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Read from verse 72.

It mentions the Torah but not the Injil...it says a group distort the torah but it didnt say the whole Jewish community were reading corrupted scriptures and that their scriptures were corrupted....you think they do not have manuscripts? Laughing
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(08-07-2025, 09:35 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  When Allah says, "Ask those who read the scriptures before you", shouldn't it be the people who were there with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم?

Who says so...it can be interpreted as ask those  rabbis who have read and have knowledge..why would Muhammad ask Salam who is not a rabbi but a Jewish kufir
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(08-07-2025, 09:35 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  When Allah says, "Ask those who read the scriptures before you", shouldn't it be the people who were there with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم?

There are so many interpretations...so do you know which one is Muhammad's interpretation? Big Grin
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(08-07-2025, 09:18 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures. That is a lie.

Let me repeat again..if Muhammad has doubts about the message or if it is in line, he needs to check with previous scriptures  Big Grin.

Because he is illiterate..it is only common sense for him to ask the people of the book...

Now, I'm not lying Big Grin you are overly sensitive  Big Grin
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(08-07-2025, 09:35 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  When Allah says, "Ask those who read the scriptures before you", shouldn't it be the people who were there with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم?
People who read the scriptures were Christians 
So he had to ask the Christians 
It says ask the people of the book the authors
It didn’t say ask his own people 
His own people were moslems 
Moslems don’t read the Bible they only hamtum it like u

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(08-07-2025, 09:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  There are so many interpretations...so do you know which one is Muhammad's interpretation? Big Grin

All the scholars agree on that simple part of that verse, "ask those who read the scriptures". It has no ambiguity.
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(08-07-2025, 09:47 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Let me repeat again..if Muhammad has doubts about the message or if it is in line, he needs to check with previous scriptures  Big Grin.

Because he is illiterate..it is only common sense for him to ask the people of the book...

Now, I'm not lying Big Grin you are overly sensitive  Big Grin

That is your lie. You want to make that lie because you want to legitimize the Jewish scriptures.

The Quran says "ask those who read the scriptures..".
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(08-07-2025, 09:56 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  People who read the scriptures were Christians 
So he had to ask the Christians 
It says ask the people of the book the authors
It didn’t say ask his own people 
His own people were moslems 
Moslems don’t read the Bible they only hamtum it like u

Not the Christians but the Israelites. 

And it had to be the Israelites who were already with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم, like Abdullah bin Salam. The other Israelites were hostile towards the prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.
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(08-07-2025, 10:05 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That is your lie. You want to make that lie because you want to legitimize the Jewish scriptures.

The Quran says "ask those who read the scriptures..".

Those are the ones who read the previous scriptures..so a doubtful Muhammad will need to check with the previous scriptures (of cos with the help of those who read because he is illiterate)

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Yes, the Quran does instruct Muhammad to consult with those who possess the earlier scriptures (Torah and Gospel) if he has doubts about the Quran's message. Specifically, Surah Yunus 10:94 states: "So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book before you." This verse implies that the earlier scriptures are a source of confirmation for the truth of the Quran

The torah and the Injil are the authority not the other way round
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(08-07-2025, 10:00 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  All the scholars agree on that simple part of that verse, "ask those who read the scriptures". It has no ambiguity.

Where does the quran says to check with the Jewish kufir
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(08-07-2025, 10:05 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That is your lie. You want to make that lie because you want to legitimize the Jewish scriptures.

The Quran says "ask those who read the scriptures..".

You are cunning...you changed your argument from Allah and the Quran to " people who read the book"
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(08-07-2025, 10:16 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You are cunning...you changed your argument from Allah and the Quran to " people who read the book"

Already made that clear to you. The Quran is from Allah. Everything in the Quran is from Allah.
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(08-07-2025, 10:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Those are the ones who read the previous scriptures..so a doubtful Muhammad will need to check with the previous scriptures (of cos with the help of those who read because he is illiterate)

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Yes, the Quran does instruct Muhammad to consult with those who possess the earlier scriptures (Torah and Gospel) if he has doubts about the Quran's message. Specifically, Surah Yunus 10:94 states: "So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book before you." This verse implies that the earlier scriptures are a source of confirmation for the truth of the Quran

The torah and the Injil are the authority not the other way round

Ask our scholars, not AI. 

Did our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم ever go to the Jewish rabbis and seek clarification?
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(08-07-2025, 10:15 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Where does the quran says to check with the Jewish kufir

No, don't have.
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(08-07-2025, 10:33 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Ask our scholars, not AI. 

Did our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم ever go to the Jewish rabbis and seek clarification?

Yes...Abdullah ibn Salam Big Grin you so fast forgotten Laughing
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(08-07-2025, 10:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  No, don't have.

Then why are you adding to the Quran
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(08-07-2025, 10:29 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Already made that clear to you. The Quran is from Allah. Everything in the Quran is from Allah.

So
 A)the Quran instructed Muhammad or 
B) Allah instructed the Quran to instruct Muhammad
C) Allah instructed Muhammad 
D) All of the above
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(08-07-2025, 10:07 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Not the Christians but the Israelites. 

And it had to be the Israelites who were already with the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم, like Abdullah bin Salam. The other Israelites were hostile towards the prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.
So did abdullah bin salam told him the book is corrupted n gave him a different version 
That is why the Bible is manipulated by your Koran ?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(08-07-2025, 10:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes...Abdullah ibn Salam Big Grin you so fast forgotten Laughing

Show me any evidence.

Btw, Abdullah bin Salam immediately recognized Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم as the prophet prophesied in the scriptures.
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(08-07-2025, 10:42 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So
 A)the Quran instructed Muhammad or 
B) Allah instructed the Quran to instruct Muhammad
C) Allah instructed Muhammad 
D) All of the above

Allah also instructed the Prophet directly.

So, when the instruction from Allah is through the Quran, I will say Quran.
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(08-07-2025, 10:40 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Then why are you adding to the Quran

Add what?
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(08-07-2025, 10:52 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Show me any evidence.

Btw, Abdullah bin Salam immediately recognized Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم as the prophet prophesied in the scriptures.

He was a Jewish rabbi before his conversion...
So yes, Muhammad did ask a Jewish rabbi for clarity about previous scriptures  Rotfl
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(08-07-2025, 10:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Add what?

Add Salam and ask those who recognise his prophethood
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(08-07-2025, 10:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  He was a Jewish rabbi before his conversion...
So yes, Muhammad did ask a Jewish rabbi for clarity about previous scriptures  Rotfl

What did the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم asked?
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(08-07-2025, 10:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Add Salam and ask those who recognise his prophethood

The Quran says "ask those.. ". We can assume "those" were people like Abdullah bin Salam.
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(08-07-2025, 10:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  What did the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم asked?

You said he checked with Salam..what did he ask? You check with Salam Big Grin
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(08-07-2025, 10:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You said he checked with Salam..what did he ask? You check with Salam Big Grin

Did I say that? Where?
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