Scripture readings for Christmas

(27-07-2025, 06:50 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Sarah is faithful to God and she desires a baby

This is your personal opinion.

If She was faithful, why should she suggest Abraham to sleep with Hagar?
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(27-07-2025, 06:46 PM)Hope Wrote:  These  are not special favours.Moses, David, Solomon were favoured more than Issac.

Joseph, The grandson of Issac was favoured more than him.

He is also an Israelite so he enjoys the blessings from God because of Isaac
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(27-07-2025, 06:55 PM)Hope Wrote:  This is your personal opinion.

If She was faithful, why should she suggest Abraham to sleep with Hagar?

Because she believe she was unable to have children,
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(27-07-2025, 06:54 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  How many of your 25 prophets were Israelites?

14 including Jacob, the first Israelite.
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(27-07-2025, 07:04 PM)Hope Wrote:  14 including Jacob

How many prophets were from the descendants of Ishmael?
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(27-07-2025, 07:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  How many prophets were from the descendants of Ishmael?

Four including prophets Muhammad were Arabs.
Only the tribe of Prophets Muhammad is from Ishmael.I must check about other three.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/qz7yW3gYbPs?s...hmFWnxUvug

Why he converted

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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https://youtu.be/t3Q_acbF1Bo
Omg

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(27-07-2025, 07:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Because she believe she was unable to have children,

Why should She think about having a child in their 80s or 90s?

Did God favour Abraham or Sarah?
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(27-07-2025, 06:52 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  They were all Israelites...they all came from Isaac to Jacob! This is one of the blessings from Allah Big Grin

Issac isn’t an Israelite.

Israelite start from his son Jacob.

If Issac was an Israelite, His other son Esau should be an Israelite too. However He wasn’t.

So,
Abraham is not an Israelite 
Issac is not an Israelite 
Esau is not an Israelite.
The daughter of Jacob also not Israelite.


Only Jacob , his 12 sons and their descendants are Israelites.

Israel mean bounded God’s covenant
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(27-07-2025, 07:31 PM)Hope Wrote:  Why should She think about having a child in their 80s or 90s?

Did God favour Abraham or Sarah?

Because God promised her a son...

God favored Abraham and Sarah
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(27-07-2025, 07:41 PM)Hope Wrote:  Issac isn’t an Israelite.

Israelite start from his son Jacob.

If Issac was an Israelite, His other son Esau should be an Israelite too. However He wasn’t.

So,
Abraham is not an Israelite 
Issac is not an Israelite 
Esau is not an Israelite.
The daughter of Jacob also not Israelite.


Only Jacob , his 12 sons and their descendants are Israelites.

Israel mean bounded God’s covenant

Isaac by faith and obedience to God is considered as an Israelite...you can also be an Israelite spiritually...no need to go by lineage.

Yes... God promised to bless the Israelites and make them a great nation, guiding them to the land of Canaan.
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(27-07-2025, 07:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Isaac by faith and obedience to God is considered as an Israelite...you can also be an Israelite spiritually...no need to go by lineage.

Yes... God promised to bless the Israelites and make them a great nation, guiding them to the land of Canaan.

You mean the people who tried to kill Jesus were blessed by God?
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(27-07-2025, 07:47 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Because God promised her a son...

God favored Abraham and Sarah

God didn’t promise anything to Sarah.

God promised to Abraham.Do you know why?

Sarah is just a woman, unlike Mary.

God promised Mary, Not Sarah .
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(27-07-2025, 07:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Isaac by faith and obedience to God is considered as an Israelite...you can also be an Israelite spiritually...no need to go by lineage.

Yes... God promised to bless the Israelites and make them a great nation, guiding them to the land of Canaan.

Who considered? God or Rabbi?

What is the meaning of Israel per bible?

As per Jew, Israelites are only Jews. It is like Brahmin in Hinduism.Otherwise Jews could have accommodated more Christian into Israel.

If you are an Israelite,Why Do They keep less than 2% of Christian in Israel?

Great Nation was fulfilled with David.
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(27-07-2025, 08:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You mean the people who tried to kill Jesus were blessed by God?

Are they obedient to God?
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https://youtube.com/shorts/hacbHAQ_Q7Q?s...OE4K1ZaOdD

How Muslim greets each other  Laughing

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(27-07-2025, 08:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Are they obedient to God?

Please tell me.
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(27-07-2025, 08:33 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Please tell me.

Just like you, they misinterpreted the scriptures
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(27-07-2025, 08:19 PM)Hope Wrote:  Who considered? God or Rabbi?

What is the meaning of Israel per bible?

As per Jew, Israelites are only Jews. It is like Brahmin in Hinduism.Otherwise Jews could have accommodated more Christian into Israel.

If you are an Israelite,Why Do They keep less than 2% of Christian in Israel?

Great Nation was fulfilled with David.

Christians believe that Jesus was the Messiah..you can be a jew by faith or through conversion...you can also be an Israelite by faith...

David had a convenant with God and that is a different one compared to Issac
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(27-07-2025, 08:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Christians believe that Jesus was the Messiah..you can be a jew by faith or through conversion...you can also be an Israelite by faith...

David had a convenant with God and that is a different one compared to Issac

What is the definition of Israel/ Israelite?

As per Islam, Israel means Jacob bounded by God’s covenant .
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(27-07-2025, 08:14 PM)Hope Wrote:  God didn’t promise anything to Sarah.

God promised to Abraham.Do you know why?

Sarah is just a woman, unlike Mary.

God promised Mary, Not Sarah .

God's promise to Sarah.

13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh? Why did she say, ‘Can an old woman like me have a baby?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return about this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”
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(27-07-2025, 08:45 PM)Hope Wrote:  What is the definition of Israel/ Israelite?

As per Islam, Israel means Jacob bounded by God’s covenant .

Jacob is Israel. Israelites are his descendants.

As per Islam, what is God's convenant with Jacob?
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(27-07-2025, 08:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Just like you, they misinterpreted the scriptures

So, the enemies of Jesus, the people Jesus called serpents, hypocrites, the generation of vipers, condemned to hell, were blessed by God?
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(27-07-2025, 09:07 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So, the enemies of Jesus, the people Jesus called serpents, hypocrites, the generation of vipers, condemned to hell, were blessed by God?

You are partially right!
The convenant with the Israelites remains in effect.
Those who reject Jesus are not bless
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(27-07-2025, 08:49 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Jacob is Israel. Israelites are his descendants.

As per Islam, what is God's convenant with Jacob?

So ,Issac isn’t an Israelites.

Quran didn’t mention the covenant in detail.However with these two verses, it emphasises that God is one. Worship him alone.



This was the advice of Abraham—as well as Jacob—to his children, ˹saying˺, “Indeed, Allah has chosen for you this faith; so do not die except in ˹a state of full˺ submission.”

Or did you witness when death came to Jacob? He asked his children, “Who will you worship after my passing?” They replied, “We will ˹continue to˺ worship your God, the God of your forefathers—Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac—the One God. And to Him we ˹all˺ submit.”Quran 2:132-133
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(27-07-2025, 09:33 PM)Hope Wrote:  So ,Issac isn’t an Israelites.

Quran didn’t mention the covenant in detail.However with these two verses, it emphasises that God is one. Worship him alone.



This was the advice of Abraham—as well as Jacob—to his children, ˹saying˺, “Indeed, Allah has chosen for you this faith; so do not die except in ˹a state of full˺ submission.”

Or did you witness when death came to Jacob? He asked his children, “Who will you worship after my passing?” They replied, “We will ˹continue to˺ worship your God, the God of your forefathers—Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac—the One God. And to Him we ˹all˺ submit.”Quran 2:132-133

Isaac is considered an Israelite by faith and obedience to God. You can be considered Israelite through faith in God, even if you are not a Jew
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(27-07-2025, 08:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  God's promise to Sarah.

13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh? Why did she say, ‘Can an old woman like me have a baby?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return about this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”

Quran says Allah promised to Abraham .

in his old age ,Because he passed the test in his faith.

That the reason Allah rewarded him off springs
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(27-07-2025, 09:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Isaac is considered an Israelite by faith and obedience to God. You can be considered Israelite through faith in God, even if you are not a Jew
Why isn’t his other son  an Israelite then?
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(27-07-2025, 09:36 PM)Hope Wrote:  Quran says Allah promised to Abraham .

in his old age ,Because he passed the test in his faith.

That the reason Allah rewarded him off springs

Sarah also pass the test but the Quran doesn't talk about her..why?
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