[pinkpanther]

No, there is only 1 Quran from God, delivered by the angel to Prophet Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم). There are Qiraat and Ahruf differences in our 1 Quran but that is for advanced discussion. For now, suffice for me to just say that there is only 1 Quran.

The Hadith collection is categorized as follows:
1. Sahih - Authentic
2. Hasan - Good
3. Daif - Weak
4. Maudu - Fabricated. 
So yes, you are correct. Our scholars even recorded the Hadith that they know is a forgery.

Delivered by an angel?? Why don you say it was Gabriel?

[Oyk]

No, there is only 1 Quran from God, delivered by the angel to Prophet Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم). There are Qiraat and Ahruf differences in our 1 Quran but that is for advanced discussion. For now, suffice for me to just say that there is only 1 Quran.

The Hadith collection is categorized as follows:
1. Sahih - Authentic
2. Hasan - Good
3. Daif - Weak
4. Maudu - Fabricated. 
So yes, you are correct. Our scholars even recorded the Hadith that they know is a forgery.

How do you know that the Qurans which were destroyed were not from Allah, the god of Islam? How do you know the surviving version is the one which Allah gave to someone you claimed to be Gabriel to give to Muh?

As you wrote elsewhere in this thread, proof is needed. 

And the Hadith which were written 300 years after Muh died....you are going to tell me that your proof is scholars and historians who have never met Muh? That's like trying to know you from someone who's born 300 years after you have died. How accurate can that be.

[luncheonmeat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6agQmo5OTc

Shabir Ally finally admits the Qur'an has indeed changed!

[pinkpanther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6agQmo5OTc

Shabir Ally finally admits the Qur'an has indeed changed!

How Ali? Shabir Ally can be trusted?

[Ali Imran]

Delivered by an angel?? Why don you say it was Gabriel?

Yes, it was Gabriel. That is a given in my paradigm.

[Ali Imran]

How Ali? Shabir Ally can be trusted?

Shabir Ally can be trusted. But he did not say the Quran was changed. The addition of diacritical marks is for recitation purposes.

[Ali Imran]

How do you know that the Qurans which were destroyed were not from Allah, the god of Islam? How do you know the surviving version is the one which Allah gave to someone you claimed to be Gabriel to give to Muh?

As you wrote elsewhere in this thread, proof is needed. 

And the Hadith which were written 300 years after Muh died....you are going to tell me that your proof is scholars and historians who have never met Muh? That's like trying to know you from someone who's born 300 years after you have died. How accurate can that be.

The Quran cannot be destroyed because it resides in the hearts of Muslims, beginning with Prophet Muhammad and within his lifetime, to a few hundred other Hafizs. It grew from there on to what must be a few million today. This is the miraculous nature of the Quran, where it resides.

As for the Hadith, I've already made the effort to explain to you why our Sahih Hadith collections are trustworthy, even to non-Muslim historians today.

[Ali Imran]

I wish the Christians here would bring in real scholars or learned people instead of YouTubers like David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Jay Smith and there are plenty like them, all trying to feed off the hate and ignorance of Christians.

[Lukongsimi]

[pinkpanther]

Yes, it was Gabriel. That is a given in my paradigm.

You see...you wrote angel!! You could have been more precise but you purposely leave us to guess who is that angel 

Deep down inside, you couldn't be sure ìt was Gabriel isn't it!

[pinkpanther]

I wish the Christians here would bring in real scholars or learned people instead of YouTubers like David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Jay Smith and there are plenty like them, all trying to feed off the hate and ignorance of Christians.

Please.!! Like all your materials are from your own....spare me the hypocrisy!
These arguments abt the Trinity, Paul lah, Jesus Muslim and so many more are not your works...you simply watch it on YouTube!! 

Then you come here and try to act knowledgeable...
I wouldn't want to bring in the scholars or any learned people because your knowledge of the quran and hadith are shallow!

[Ali Imran]

Please.!! Like all your materials are from your own....spare me the hypocrisy!
These arguments abt the Trinity, Paul lah, Jesus Muslim and so many more are not your works...you simply watch it on YouTube!! 

Then you come here and try to act knowledgeable...
I wouldn't want to bring in the scholars or any learned people because your knowledge of the quran and hadith are shallow!

I'm not acting. I want to tell you to take the narrow gate.

[Ali Imran]

You see...you wrote angel!! You could have been more precise but you purposely leave us to guess who is that angel 

Deep down inside, you couldn't be sure ìt was Gabriel isn't it!

We have the Quran and the Hadith, which confirm that it was Gabriel.

[pinkpanther]

We have the Quran and the Hadith, which confirm that it was Gabriel.

He is primarily mentioned in the verses 2:97, 2:98 and 66:4 of the Quran, although the Quranic text doesn't explicitly refer to him as an angel 

That's why you purposely left his name out!!  Gabriel is a genie?

Pls explain the highlighted

[Ali Imran]

He is primarily mentioned in the verses 2:97, 2:98 and 66:4 of the Quran, although the Quranic text doesn't explicitly refer to him as an angel 

That's why you purposely left his name out!!  Gabriel is a genie?

Pls explain the highlighted

Gabriel is an angel.

[pinkpanther]

Gabriel is an angel.

I ask you to explain the one in bold.. not ask you to reiterate! So you want to take the wide gate by feigning ignorance..do you? 

See you don even know your quran that well! Where in the quran did it says gabriel is an angel?

Why did you purposely leave out the name of Gabriel in your post?

[Ali Imran]

I ask you to explain the one in bold.. not ask you to reiterate! So you want to take the wide gate by feigning ignorance..do you? 

See you don even know your quran that well! Where is the quran did it says gabriel is an angel?

The Bible didn't say God is a Trinity and yet you can believe God is a Trinity.

[pinkpanther]

The Bible didn't say God is a Trinity and yet you can believe God is a Trinity.

If you don know the answer to my question...just say so! No need to jump to another question! Now we know you know nothing about your quran ! *long sigh* 

[pinkpanther]

Let's be clear on this beedio! This fellow you trust tiok boh!
Muh's words are for eternity! If you obey muh, you obey God!

[pinkpanther]

John 5:25: “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.”

[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Quran chapter 22 verse 6 and 7

6.That is because Allâh, He is the Truth, and it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who is Able to do all things. 7. And surely, the Hour is coming, there is no doubt about it, and certainly, Allâh will resurrect those who are in the graves


Very Clearly, Jesus is Allah !

[Lukongsimi]

John 5:25: “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.”

[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Quran chapter 22 verse 6 and 7

6.That is because Allâh, He is the Truth, and it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who is Able to do all things. 7. And surely, the Hour is coming, there is no doubt about it, and certainly, Allâh will resurrect those who are in the graves


Very Clearly, Jesus is Allah !

How Ali gg to reply?

[pinkpanther]

How Ali gg to reply?

Can say what!  Ask me go take the narrow gate again lor!

[Lukongsimi]

Can say what!  Ask me go take the narrow gate again lor!

He also trying to find the narrow gate 
😊

[Oyk]

The Quran cannot be destroyed because it resides in the hearts of Muslims, beginning with Prophet Muhammad and within his lifetime, to a few hundred other Hafizs. It grew from there on to what must be a few million today. This is the miraculous nature of the Quran, where it resides.

As for the Hadith, I've already made the effort to explain to you why our Sahih Hadith collections are trustworthy, even to non-Muslim historians today.

Para One is nonsense.

Para Two is more nonsense. You couldn't even give PP a good answer to so many of the Hadiths he quoted. Writing irrelevant things to me to make it seem like you have sexplained so much to me only can fool Moslem chewren..

[Oyk]

The Bible didn't say God is a Trinity and yet you can believe God is a Trinity

Seems like you are trying to twist and turn again.

[pinkpanther]

Better than buying 4D? Better than the story of Alladin!

[Oyk]

Let's be clear on this beedio! This fellow you trust tiok boh!
Muh's words are for eternity! If you obey muh, you obey God!

Ali 

Any comments?

Don't give me irrelevant things to sound like you answered my question.

Is what that guy said true?

[Ali Imran]

Para One is nonsense.

Para Two is more nonsense. You couldn't even give PP a good answer to so many of the Hadiths he quoted. Writing irrelevant things to me to make it seem like you have sexplained so much to me only can fool Moslem chewren..

No, it is not nonsense. It is demonstrable, by just looking at our many Tahfiz schools in Singapore. Tahfiz school trains hafiz, the people who memorize the entire Quran.

I am not interested in explaining irrelevant Hadith posted by Pink. If it is relevant to the discussion, I can look it up. As to the reliability of the Hadith, I've explained that to you.

[Ali Imran]

Ali 

Any comments?

Don't give me irrelevant things to sound like you answered my question.

Is what that guy said true?

I've told you guys that I am not gonna reply to videos you guys posted. 

If you have anything you would like to bring up, please let me know, with your words, not videos from some anti-Islam youtubers.

[Ali Imran]

John 5:25: “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.”

[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Quran chapter 22 verse 6 and 7

6.That is because Allâh, He is the Truth, and it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who is Able to do all things. 7. And surely, the Hour is coming, there is no doubt about it, and certainly, Allâh will resurrect those who are in the graves


Very Clearly, Jesus is Allah !

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