[Ali Imran]

Yeah...using your analogy...next time don complain Paul is false teaching because God will not allow falsehood to flourish!

I take it you have no answer to my question regarding gabriel..

I've answered your question about Gabriel.

Hinduism flourish in India. God allows it.

[pinkpanther]

Our prophet received the Quran from Jibreel aka Gabriel.

See how you conveniently left how the word "angel" Jibreel again!
You will enter hell if you spread falsehood ...your quranic text does not support the fact that Jibreel is an angel!

[Ali Imran]

If you play fast and loose with "billions" to say that just because billions of Moslems bla bla bla, therefore Gabriel must the same angel of the Bible, even though it is not written as such in the Quran..............

then why did you say that Paul's teachings are Satanic verses?  Billions of Christians follow the teachings of Paul as revealed to him by the Holy Spirit wor.  

Yes, for over 1,400+ years, the Muslims held the belief that it was Jibril who brought the Quran from God and that he is an angel or archangel. PinkPanther now said otherwise and you believe him? Ok noted.

[Ali Imran]

See how you conveniently left how the word "angel" Jibreel again!
You will enter hell if you spread falsehood ...your quranic text does not support the fact that Jibreel is an angel!

Yes, we believe Jibreel is an angel.

[Oyk]

Yeah...using your analogy...next time don complain Paul is false teaching because God will not allow falsehood to flourish!

I take it you have no answer to my question regarding gabriel..

His argument does not stand to even a child's logic.  If billions of people say a certain thing, therefore that thing must be right?  What kind of logic is that?  He will probably be telling us that he is also a Buddhist and a Hindu because billions of peepur follow those faiths, and so they must be true...

[Oyk]

Yes, we believe Jibreel is an angel.

Can you quote the Quranic verse which says that?

[pinkpanther]

Yes, we believe Jibreel is an angel.

the word used in the Quran is "Ruh Quddus", which is sometimes translated "Holy Spirit" in English translations of the Quran.



16:102 Say, "The Holy Spirit (Gabriel) has brought it down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe, and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters."



Hellfire awaits you my friend!

[Oyk]

Yes, for over 1,400+ years, the Muslims held the belief that it was Jibril who brought the Quran from God and that he is an angel or archangel. PinkPanther now said otherwise and you believe him? Ok noted.

As above, show the verse from your Quran.

You said you only believe the Quran, so please quote.  Do as you preached.

[Oyk]

the word used in the Quran is "Ruh Quddus", which is sometimes translated "Holy Spirit" in English translations of the Quran.



16:102 Say, "The Holy Spirit (Gabriel) has brought it down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe, and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters."



Hellfire awaits you my friend!

Walau eh!

1.  Jesus is demoted from being the Second Person of the Godhead to a mere prophet who is a far second to Muh

2.  Some unknown angel claimed by "billions of Moslems" to be Gabriel of the Bible is being promoted to the Third Person of the Godhead.

And this is the Gospel of Muh.

Epic.

[Ali Imran]

As above, show the verse from your Quran.

You said you only believe the Quran, so please quote.  Do as you preached.

I also believe in the Hadith.

The Quran didn't say specifically Jibreel is an angel. The Bible also didn't specifically say Adam was a human but we all believe Adam was a human, right?

[Ali Imran]

the word used in the Quran is "Ruh Quddus", which is sometimes translated "Holy Spirit" in English translations of the Quran.



16:102 Say, "The Holy Spirit (Gabriel) has brought it down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe, and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters."



Hellfire awaits you my friend!

We also believe ruh qudus is referring to an angel.

[Ali Imran]

His argument does not stand to even a child's logic.  If billions of people say a certain thing, therefore that thing must be right?  What kind of logic is that?  He will probably be telling us that he is also a Buddhist and a Hindu because billions of peepur follow those faiths, and so they must be true...

No, that has never been my argument to prove anything. Many people believing in something doesn't make it true.

[pinkpanther]

Walau eh!

1.  Jesus is demoted from being the Second Person of the Godhead to a mere prophet who is a far second to Muh

2.  Some unknown angel claimed by "billions of Moslems" to be Gabriel of the Bible is being promoted to the Third Person of the Godhead.

And this is the Gospel of Muh.

Epic.

 Gabriel is holy spirit wor! 
Ali shall be condemned...because decades of being a moslem, he failed to acknowledge the fact that Gabriel is just a holy spirit ....he didn't even bother bringing this point out....so he is doing a disservice to his profit muh and Allah thus proving my point that he is a gift from Allah against Islam!

Thank you Ali...we love you...

[Oyk]

No, that has never been my argument to prove anything. Many people believing in something doesn't make it true.

Right.  So what were you on about with your "billions of Moslems" believing that the angel was Gabriel?

You see.  I don't want to believe PP whom you said I do. I want to see with my own eyes the verse in the Quran.  Can you show all of us?

[pinkpanther]

No, that has never been my argument to prove anything. Many people believing in something doesn't make it true.

Yeah...like kissing the blackstone?

[pinkpanther]

We also believe ruh qudus is referring to an angel.

How can a holy spirit be an angel?

[Oyk]

 Gabriel is holy spirit wor! 
Ali shall be condemned...because decades of being a moslem, he failed to acknowledge the fact that Gabriel is just a holy spirit ....he didn't even bother bringing this point out....so he is doing a disservice to his profit muh and Allah thus proving my point that he is a gift from Allah against Islam!

Thank you Ali...we love you...

The identity of this spirit is essential to knowing if the Quran is from God.  We know that even demons are angels.  They are fallen angels.  Ali and "billions of Moslems" claim that this angel was Gabriel but when I asked him to show me the verse from the Quran, he couldn't.

The Bible says that Satan will disguise himself as an angel of light....yes! even Satan is an angel albeit a fallen one!  And he will deceive the world.  Satan is not going to tell peepur "I am a baddie!  I am a fallen angel!  I am evil!  Follow me!"  

Who is going to follow him if he reveals himself as such?

Now there are two doctrines...from Paul and Muh, and we have Christianity and Islam respectively.

Ali says that Paul's doctrine is satanic.  According to Ali, the spirit that inspired Paul's teachings is Satan, and the spirit that told Muh to write is not a demon but Gabriel of the Bible though he could not show me the verse from the Quran.

We have not met Paul or Muh, so we can only examine, even cross examine the lives of Paul and Muh after they had received their respective revelations.  How did Paul live?  How did he die?  How about Muh?  In what way were they transformed?  Only by cross examining them can we have some idea....

[Ali Imran]

Right.  So what were you on about with your "billions of Moslems" believing that the angel was Gabriel?

You see.  I don't want to believe PP whom you said I do. I want to see with my own eyes the verse in the Quran.  Can you show all of us?

You missed the sarcasm in that post to PinkPanther.

[Ali Imran]

Yeah...like kissing the blackstone?

Like believing Jesus died for your sins. Many Christians believe that but we all can agree that many believing in something doesn't make it true.

[Ali Imran]

I'll be back later. Lunch appointment.

[pinkpanther]

Like believing Jesus died for your sins. Many Christians believe that but we all can agree that many believing in something doesn't make it true.

OK.. I give it to you! Kissing a blackrock is idol worship! What does Allah says about idol worship?

[Oyk]

I also believe in the Hadith.

The Quran didn't say specifically Jibreel is an angel. The Bible also didn't specifically say Adam was a human but we all believe Adam was a human, right?

Now you are telling me that your Quran didn't say that Gabriel is an angel? Eew...that's your Quran not mine.

My Bible says that Gabriel is an angel, and Adam is my great.;...great.....greatest grandfather, the first Man.

No wonder Moslems have to cherrypick from our Bible because your Quran didn't say a lot of things.  

[Oyk]

You missed the sarcasm in that post to PinkPanther.

I was asking you a question.  Not interested in sarcasm.  

[Oyk]

I'll be back later. Lunch appointment.

Right!  Good escape!  Early lunch!  Appointment!

And when you come back, you will have amnesia caused by the "lunch", forget that you are supposed to show me a Quranic verse that says that the angel was Gabriel, and resume your mocking if you succeed again in baiting Lukonggsimi with Bible and Paul..

[pinkpanther]

I was asking you a question.  Not interested in sarcasm.  

 like a little boy seeking recognition from his father!

[Lukongsimi]

How can a holy spirit be an angel?

Ali is a very confused pak chik 
Got to learn Bible from scratch

[cheekopekman]

How can a holy spirit be an angel?

Not "a holy spirit" but the Holy Spirit is God the Spirit in Genesis 1:2 and the Spirit of the Lord elsewhere lah!  The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus Christ like a dove as He rose from the water baptism in Jordan River and the voice in heaven said, "This is my beloved Son" lah!

[Oyk]

Not "a holy spirit" but the Holy Spirit is God the Spirit in Genesis 1:2 and the Spirit of the Lord elsewhere lah!  The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus Christ like a dove as He rose from the water baptism in Jordan River and the voice in heaven said, "This is my beloved Son" lah!

And the Holy Spirit's name is Jibril. 

[Oyk]

Ali is a very confused pak chik 
Got to learn Bible from scratch

He will like this post of yours.. he's only interested in two words. One is Bible and the other is Paul.

He will ask you what about the Bible he must learn from scratch and before you can type out John 1:1, he would have written a WOM. Wall of Mockings.

[cheekopekman]

Ali is a very confused pak chik 
Got to learn Bible from scratch

Start reading from Genesis 1:1 lah!