[Hope]

Wine has rich symbolism in biblical texts. It is often associated with joy, celebration, and abundance.... The miracle at the wedding signified the joy of the occasion and the idea that Jesus brings fullness and generosity to life.....What do you expect Jesus to churn out? Pepsi and Milo? 

Even your prophet permitted wine in his earlier years until he witnessed the consequences of excessive consumption...

Islam didn’t allow wine/Alcohol.It was prohibited slowly at the beginning of the few years, after prayer became mandatory.Later it was made 
haram .

Do Jews drink? Who changed the law of Moses?

[pinkpanther]

The Bible cannot be wrong but man may not be right lah!  Denominations are man-made lah!

Yes lah..Man can distort and twist the words but the Bible is always the same..

[Hope]

Where in the Bible it says that?

You said before that Jesus fed 5000 people with 2 fish and 5 breads

[pinkpanther]

Islam didn’t allow wine/Alcohol.It was prohibited slowly at the beginning of the few years, after prayer became mandatory.Later it was made 
haram .

Do Jews drink? Who changed the law of Moses?

Drinking was allowed at first until Muslims began to skip prayers because they were too drunk..and they start fighting and killing....so Muhammad put an end to it...it was a wise choice..

[Tee tiong huat]

Innovation is a sin. 

People have right to do anything.They should be mindful of consequences.

As per Quran every action of ours are recorded by Angels In our records report.

Three years later @2046...

[pinkpanther]

As per above verses , Jesus and his disciples believed in Allah. Do you agree that Jesus was a prophet only ?Who are those disciples?

Allah did not give the names of the disciples..The Quran calls them the "Hawaris"...

Muslim exegesis, however, more or less agrees with the New Testament list and says that the disciples included Peter, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, Andrew, James, Jude, John and Simon the Zealot..

We can agree that Jesus is a Prophet and the Messiah...

[Tee tiong huat]

Three years later @2046...

[pinkpanther]

As per above verses , Jesus and his disciples believed in Allah. Do you agree that Jesus was a prophet only ?Who are those disciples?

In Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:111), the Quran mentions that Jesus asked for a table spread with food from heaven, and the disciples expressed their faith in him. They are often recognized for their faith and commitment to Jesus's teachings. The Quran highlights the important role they played during Jesus's ministry, though it does not go into detail about individual disciples as the Christian texts do.

[Tee tiong huat]

Three years later @2046...

See this & they can explain more or less.
https://youtu.be/NXN7aXvZG44?si=NrzpvwTaGloGU7U3

[pinkpanther]

Islam didn’t allow wine/Alcohol.It was prohibited slowly at the beginning of the few years, after prayer became mandatory.Later it was made 
haram .

Do Jews drink? Who changed the law of Moses?

When Muhammad initially permitted drinking alcohol and later prohibited it, I'm curious if this change was from Allah....Did Allah make an error by allowing drinking and then forbidding it afterward? 

[Lukongsimi]

You said before that Jesus fed 5000 people with 2 fish and 5 breads

Who else can multiply food to feed thousands?
and still got balance food left 
It’s only God Himself don’t u agree ?

[Hope]

Allah did not give the names of the disciples..The Quran calls them the "Hawaris"...

Muslim exegesis, however, more or less agrees with the New Testament list and says that the disciples included Peter, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, Andrew, James, Jude, John and Simon the Zealot..

We can agree that Jesus is a Prophet and the Messiah...

 Should be some of them, if we study the Quran verse 5:115.Because their end was not normal even though Christian believe their death as martyrdom 

And how I inspired the disciples, “Believe in Me and My messenger!” They declared, “We believe and bear witness that we fully submit ˹to Allah˺.”Quran 5:111

Allah answered, “I am sending it down to you. But whoever among you denies afterwards will be subjected to a torment I have never inflicted on anyone of My creation.”Quran 5:115

[Ali Imran]

Who else can multiply food to feed thousands?
and still got balance food left 
It’s only God Himself don’t u agree ?

Yes, I agree. Only God can do a miracle, multiplying food to feed thousands. As well, only God can split the sea. But you didn't make Prophet Moses a God just because he split the sea, right?

[cheekopekman]

Who else can multiply food to feed thousands?
and still got balance food left 
It’s only God Himself don’t u agree ?

It's not a multiplication of food but rather a miracle only God could do lah!  Just as God rained down manna from heaven to feed those Israelites in the wilderness and sent quails to them, nothing is impossible for God lah!

[Lukongsimi]

Yes, I agree. Only God can do a miracle, multiplying food to feed thousands. As well, only God can split the sea. But you didn't make Prophet Moses a God just because he split the sea, right?

Moses used the miracle rod given by God to split the sea

[cheekopekman]

Moses used the miracle rod given by God to split the sea

There was no special magic power in his staff lah!  Moses obeyed and God performed the miracle lah!

[Ali Imran]

Moses used the miracle rod given by God to split the sea

And Jesus prayed to God to increase the bread and fish for the people.

[Lukongsimi]

There was no special magic power in his staff lah!  Moses obeyed and God performed the miracle lah!

Moses used the rod to split the rock for water instead of speaking to it
So got power boh?

[cheekopekman]

Moses used the rod to split the rock for water instead of speaking to it
So got power boh?

It's a staff not a rod lah!  God commanded Moses to speak to the rock but he hit it twice and water came out lah! Moses disobeyed God so he couldn't enter the promised land lah! God punished him and he had to die lah!

[cheekopekman]

And Jesus prayed to God to increase the bread and fish for the people.

Jesus only gave thanks to God the Father for bringing forth bread lah!

[Ali Imran]

Jesus only gave thanks to God the Father for bringing forth bread lah!

Which means Jesus attributed the miracle to God.

So which Bible is the word of God?

[Lukongsimi]

It's a staff not a rod lah!  God commanded Moses to speak to the rock but he hit it twice and water came out lah! Moses disobeyed God so he couldn't enter the promised land lah! God punished him and he had to die lah!

The Staff of Moses, also known as the Rod of Moses or Staff of God, is mentioned in the Bible and Quran as a walking stick used

[cheekopekman]

Which means Jesus attributed the miracle to God.

So which Bible is the word of God?

Jesus is the Son of God and He is God in the flesh lah!  Jesus is God Himself so He could perform that miracle lah! As the Son, Jesus gave the glory to God the Father lah! Sorry if I can't convince you with my explanation lah!

[Lukongsimi]

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward: but lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬-‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/exo.14.15-16.KJV

[pinkpanther]

 Should be some of them, if we study the Quran verse 5:115.Because their end was not normal even though Christian believe their death as martyrdom 

And how I inspired the disciples, “Believe in Me and My messenger!” They declared, “We believe and bear witness that we fully submit ˹to Allah˺.”Quran 5:111

Allah answered, “I am sending it down to you. But whoever among you denies afterwards will be subjected to a torment I have never inflicted on anyone of My creation.”Quran 5:115

The Quran has no names mentioned...pls show me if there is!
So you need to go back to previous scriptures  and ask those who have read before you  and do not doubt...this is what Allah commands....

When the Quran does not mention any names or the number of disciples..you must ask why? Why write stories about them but leave out their profiles?

[pinkpanther]

It's a staff not a rod lah!  God commanded Moses to speak to the rock but he hit it twice and water came out lah! Moses disobeyed God so he couldn't enter the promised land lah! God punished him and he had to die lah!

Lukongsimi is not wrong lah bro

The Staff of Moses, also known as the Rod of Moses or Staff of God, is mentioned in the Bible and Quran as a walking stick used by Moses.

Quran says walking stick wor.....you see the contradiction?

[Lukongsimi]

Lukongsimi is not wrong lah bro

The Staff of Moses, also known as the Rod of Moses or Staff of God, is mentioned in the Bible and Quran as a walking stick used by Moses.

Quran says walking stick wor.....you see the contradiction?

lol

[Lukongsimi]

The rods of both Moses and Aaron were endowed with miraculous power during the Plagues of Egypt. God commanded Moses to raise his rod over the Red Sea when it was to be split and in prayer over Israel in battle; at Meribah Moses brought forth water from a stone using his rod.

[Lukongsimi]

[Hope]

When Muhammad initially permitted drinking alcohol and later prohibited it, I'm curious if this change was from Allah....Did Allah make an error by allowing drinking and then forbidding it afterward? 

Alcohol was not banned at once . It was tolerated as it was part of Arab culture .


“O believers! Intoxicants, gambling, idols, and drawing lots for decisions are all evil of Satan’s handiwork. So shun them so you may be successful”.Quran 5:90


“They ask you ˹O Prophet˺ about intoxicants and gambling. Say, “There is great evil in both, as well as some benefit for people—but the evil outweighs the benefit.”1 They ˹also˺ ask you ˹O Prophet˺ what they should donate. Say, “Whatever you can spare.” This is how Allah makes His revelations clear to you ˹believers˺, so perhaps you may reflect”Quran 2:219


“O believers! Do not approach prayer while intoxicated until you are aware of what you say, nor in a state of ˹full˺ impurity—unless you merely pass through ˹the mosque˺—until you have bathed. But if you are ill, on a journey, or have relieved yourselves, or been intimate with your wives and cannot find water, then purify yourselves with clean earth, wiping your faces and hands. And Allah is Ever-Pardoning, All-Forgiving.”Quran 4:43