[Lukongsimi]

Matthew 3:17: "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"

Mark 1:11: "And a voice came from the heavens, 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.'"

Luke 3:22: "The Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.'"

👏👏👏

[Lukongsimi]

If he was a perfect example,

Why do you involve in prostitution/ promiscuity ?
Why do you take drugs and alcohol?
Why do you charge interest on everything?
Why do you wear skimpy dress?

Did Jesus teach those ?

Moslems so innocent never did all those above meh?

[Lukongsimi]

Allah is the God of  his , your,mine and all his creations.

He is not the prophet of Allah.

The last prophet is John the Baptist

[Lukongsimi]

So there, Jesus warned his followers about the one who will teach people to discard the Law. True enough, after Jesus left, a man came along teaching exactly that.

When Jesus was on the cross He said”it’s finished “ bef he gave up his spirit what does that means ?

[Lukongsimi]

Christians have spiritual gifts such as speak in tongue
How about moslems what gifts they have?

[Hope]

Matthew 3:17: "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"

Mark 1:11: "And a voice came from the heavens, 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.'"

Luke 3:22: "The Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.'"

Does this  mean Jesus is not the God?

Does Luke 3:22 say Holy sprit also father of Jesus?

All three verses mention that a voice came from heaven 
1) who is in the heaven? 
2) if it is the God , why he stays only in heaven 
3)If it is not the God, who make that voice?
4) in which language?
5) if it was a voice everyone could hear, why didn’t Jews hear the same?


Please explain this “Holy Sprit descended on him in bodily form like a dove”

I know you believe in trinity.If holy sprit is given equal status as God , why should only holy sprit decend on Jesus?

[Hope]

Christians have spiritual gifts suck as speak in tongue
How about moslems what gifts they have?

You are not in a WhatsApp group only with PP, Ali and Me.There are other Christian who are reading your comments.please always write the correct things.

Could you support your comments with bible verses?

[Hope]

The last prophet is John the Baptist

Is he the last prophet in Judaism or Christianity?

How does He related to Jesus?

Do you know Jesus is decending to a mosque where John the Baptist head is buried?

[Lukongsimi]

You are not in a WhatsApp group only with PP, Ali and Me.There are other Christian who are reading your comments.please always write the correct things.

Could you support your comments with bible verses?

You don’t have it?

The ability to speak in tongues is one of many potential spiritual gifts given to Christians by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4-11). Every Christian is given one or more spiritual gifts. 

[Lukongsimi]

Is he the last prophet in Judaism or Christianity?

How does He related to Jesus?

Do you know Jesus is decending to a mosque where John the Baptist head is buried?

Cousin lah

[pinkpanther]

Does this  mean Jesus is not the God?

Does Luke 3:22 say Holy sprit also father of Jesus?

All three verses mention that a voice came from heaven 
1) who is in the heaven? 
2) if it is the God , why he stays only in heaven 
3)If it is not the God, who make that voice?
4) in which language?
5) if it was a voice everyone could hear, why didn’t Jews hear the same?


Please explain this “Holy Sprit descended on him in bodily form like a dove”

I know you believe in trinity.If holy sprit is given equal status as God , why should only holy sprit decend on Jesus?

1. Father
2. Yes.
3. It is God
4. Language that they know
5. Same like you, they chose not to believe.

The Holy Spirit remained upon Jesus after Baptism....

[cheekopekman]

He wanted u to agree that salvation needs work not by grace lah
If u agree he wins

You put that very succinctly, bro. Whatever we say, he's sure to disagree with us. He has to, no matter how persuasive the arguments or evidences we put up. Because if he concurs, it means his beliefs, which are diametrically opposed to ours, are false and our beliefs are true.

He holds an unBiblical belief of "works-based salvation," which is opposed to our "faith-based salvation, and has been rejecting the imputation of Christ's righteousness to the believer. Paul called it "a different gospel" (Gal 1:6,9). The same error is found in virtually every false cult. Every "different gospel" is under the eternal curse of God.

If to agree with him we will fall away from faith 
Should not doubt the Bible  our daily bread to strengthen our faith in God

We must be careful how we answer questions from non-Christians, especially with regards to the Bible lah!  We must give an account of every careless word spoken 1 day lah!

[cheekopekman]

Jesus said you must be obedient to the Law. James also said the same. Jesus also warned his followers that there will be one who will teach people to discard the law. James was a follower of Jesus.

So, after Jesus left, Paul came along and teach people that they no longer need to be obedient to the law. James, who must have remembered the warning given by Jesus, opposed that idea from Paul.

My question is; why do you believe Paul was right and James was wrong?

Both Paul and James were looking at the same tree from different points of view lah!  Paul focused on the root of salvation while James was more interested in the fruits lah! Paul was dealing with legalism while James zeroed in on hypocrisy lah! Is this OK for you, my friend?

[Lukongsimi]

We must be careful how we answer questions from non-Christians, especially with regards to the Bible lah!  We must give an account of every careless word spoken 1 day lah!

Ya loh
Avoid to speak against The Word of God 
As a Christian we should know where we stand n not to side our enemies.
😂

[pinkpanther]

You are not in a WhatsApp group only with PP, Ali and Me.There are other Christian who are reading your comments.please always write the correct things.

Could you support your comments with bible verses?

But your buddy hardly provide any verses to support his claims....except for one highlighted quranic verse from last week....that standard should apply to him as well...don't you think so

[Lukongsimi]

Today Friday no wonder so quiet 
The 2 at mosque?

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/qk9WrMCezhE?si=pLav-t5US2WBDgTv

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/2RWgkzC61t8

[Ali Imran]

Both Paul and James were looking at the same tree from different points of view lah!  Paul focused on the root of salvation while James was more interested in the fruits lah! Paul was dealing with legalism while James zeroed in on hypocrisy lah! Is this OK for you, my friend?

Paul said there is no need to follow the law anymore. James said Paul was wrong. So no, I reject your explanation. They were not looking at the same tree. This is a clear conflict and you are following Paul, which means you are not following James who was following Jesus's teaching on the issue of obedience to the Law.

You must admit that if you're honest.

[cheekopekman]

Paul said there is no need to follow the law anymore. James said Paul was wrong. So no, I reject your explanation. They were not looking at the same tree. This is a clear conflict and you are following Paul, which means you are not following James who was following Jesus's teaching on the issue of obedience to the Law.

You must admit that if you're honest.

If you want to win I let you win lah!  I'm lousy at arguments and debates lah! By the way, James was not a disciple of Jesus but Paul was an apostle lah! I'd rather lose a debate than lose a friend lah!

[pinkpanther]

If you want to win I let you win lah!  I'm lousy at arguments and debates lah! By the way, James was not a disciple of Jesus but Paul was an apostle lah! I'd rather lose a debate than lose a friend lah!

You are right lah....James was never part of the 12 disciples of Jesus...that moslem "kok up"

[S I M T A N]

Obviously the Quran did claim that the sun sets in muddy spring because there’s a Hadith that confirmed that (abi dawud 4002)

Narrated Abu Dharr:
I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).

Also there’s a difference between the sun setting in a forest and the sun setting in hole or a muddy spring

If i say “joe found John watching tv” Does that mean John wasn’t watching his tv ?

I knew you would be quick on the draw to show that the Quran's assumption about the setting sun is wrong, as you're wont to do whenever you want to flag its discrepancies. I gave the stock reply "Okay, noted" - an expression used sometimes by some of us in an ironic way to mean the opposite of what we really think especially in order to be funny. The fun continues..

[S I M T A N]

We must be careful how we answer questions from non-Christians, especially with regards to the Bible lah!  We must give an account of every careless word spoken 1 day lah!

You are right, brother. The Bible says that when we go to be with the Lord, we'll have to account for every careless word we have spoken (Matt 12:36-37). We pay for them here on earth also. I believe the price is too high to pay for something that can easily be controlled by our own will. We can speak love, joy, and peace into our world, or we can speak strife, hatred, deception, a couple of swear words or rattle off a string of four-letter words.

The best way to improve speech is to improve the heart. "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks" (Matt 12:34). A heart filled with the Holy Spirit and the truth of God's Word will produce godly speech that brings life to the speaker as well as to the listener. God has promised "whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles" (Proverbs 21:23; 12:18).

Yes, we're to be careful with our choice of words when sharing the exclusive gospel - salvation through Christ alone - with non-Christians. Besides, we must be willing to fight to uphold this and other core doctrines, the way PP and LKSM have done tenaciously and indefatigably.

I do get upset at times, do you? Anyone with any gumption gets upset occasionally. But the Word of God says, "Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil" (Eph 4:26-27) There's a world of difference between getting upset and holding a grudge. We can disagree with someone, and we can disagree agreeably. There are certain things in the Word of God that allow room for differences of opinion, and not everyone is going to see eye-to-eye on everything. We can disagree on certain issues. However, we aren't going to hold a grudge against someone just because he doesn't feel the same way we do.

[cheekopekman]

You are right, brother. The Bible says that when we go to be with the Lord, we'll have to account for every careless word we have spoken (Matt 12:36-37). We pay for them here on earth also. I believe the price is too high to pay for something that can easily be controlled by our own will. We can speak love, joy, and peace into our world, or we can speak strife, hatred, deception, a couple of swear words or rattle off a string of four-letter words.

The best way to improve speech is to improve the heart. "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks" (Matt 12:34). A heart filled with the Holy Spirit and the truth of God's Word will produce godly speech that brings life to the speaker as well as to the listener. God has promised "whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles" (Proverbs 21:23; 12:18).

Yes, we're to be careful with our choice of words when sharing the exclusive gospel - salvation through Christ alone - with non-Christians. Besides, we must be willing to fight to uphold this and other core doctrines, the way PP and LKSM have done tenaciously and indefatigably.

I do get upset at times, do you? Anyone with any gumption gets upset occasionally. But the Word of God says, "Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil" (Eph 4:26-27) There's a world of difference between getting upset and holding a grudge. We can disagree with someone, and we can disagree agreeably. There are certain things in the Word of God that allow room for differences of opinion, and not everyone is going to see eye-to-eye on everything. We can disagree on certain issues. However, we aren't going to hold a grudge against someone just because he doesn't feel the same way we do.

Thank you for your kind understanding lah, bro!  They have the right to doubt and we have the right to believe lah! No need to get upset or angry just because people don't believe lah! When we say what God didn't say in the Bible, we are also speaking careless words, and when we don't say what God has said we are also accountable to Him on Judgement Day lah!

[cheekopekman]

You are right lah....James was never part of the 12 disciples of Jesus...that moslem "kok up"

Actually there was a disciple James among the 12 but he had already died when King Herod killed him with a sword lah!  That James who wrote the epistle was the brother of Jesus lah! We must get the facts right lah!

[pinkpanther]

I knew you would be quick on the draw to show that the Quran's assumption about the setting sun is wrong, as you're wont to do whenever you want to flag its discrepancies. I gave the stock reply "Okay, noted" - an expression used sometimes by some of us in an ironic way to mean the opposite of what we really think especially in order to be funny. The fun continues..

He is either ignorant or deceitful...one of those two possibilities must be true.
It is exceedingly rare to witness genuine truthfulness in him....

[Ali Imran]

If you want to win I let you win lah!  I'm lousy at arguments and debates lah! By the way, James was not a disciple of Jesus but Paul was an apostle lah! I'd rather lose a debate than lose a friend lah!

It's not about winning. 

Do think about it. Don't just believe what they tell you to believe. Use your own brain. Go where the truth brings you. If you follow the truth, it will lead you to God.

[Lukongsimi]

Actually there was a disciple James among the 12 but he had already died when King Herod killed him with a sword lah!  That James who wrote the epistle was the brother of Jesus lah! We must get the facts right lah!

James Not from the same mother as Jesus 
His mother was the first wife of Joseph who died bef Joseph took Mary as his second wife

[Ali Imran]

I knew you would be quick on the draw to show that the Quran's assumption about the setting sun is wrong, as you're wont to do whenever you want to flag its discrepancies. I gave the stock reply "Okay, noted" - an expression used sometimes by some of us in an ironic way to mean the opposite of what we really think especially in order to be funny. The fun continues..

All you need to do is read from the various Muslim scholars of the Quran. There are plenty. Read it for yourself. https://quran.com/en/al-kahf

We believe the Quran is the verbatim word of God. There are verses in the Quran that claim the Quran to be from the almighty God. If you can find even a single fault with the Quran, you will destroy the faith of all Muslims.

[Ali Imran]

This sola fide "disagreement" exists primarily because some, while dichotomizing faith and works, failed to read the scriptures in context. As we come to understand what these passages by Paul and James actually mean in context, we see that the supposed contradiction between them is no contradiction after all. These two Apostles in fact taught a harmonious view of the gospel of Jesus Christ, albeit to different audiences with different circumstances. In other parts of their letters, we can easily see how both Paul and James are in agreement that believers are to produce evidence of their faith, not by obeying the unmodified law of Moses (as part of the Mosaic covenant) but by obeying the law of Christ. (as part of the New Covenant) The individual as well as the church stands or falls with the principle of sola fide.

You're ignoring the part where Jesus said the law must not be changed, not even a dot.