[Ali Imran]

The Jesus who came into my dreams since I was a kid till today still the same yesterday today and forever 
M sure He is the real Jesus 
I ever dreamt of the devil the flying serpent who tried to attack me but failed as I was protected by a transparent shield 
Some like u will not believe me say it’s a joke 
But it’s ok l
I  share the testimony to my frens church goers nobody said I joking

I have no reason to doubt your story. I have vivid imagination when I was a small kid too. I dream Allah is wearing a Chinese costume, the kind I used to see in the olden days at Chinese wayang. 

But is it true? Surely Allah wearing a Chinese costume is not true. Is yours true? How do you verify? Your gut feeling doesn't count because nobody else feels the same as you.

So, how do you verify? I give you an example of a verification test, using Prophet Muhammad's claim that the angel Gabriel came to him with the Quran. Here we have something tangible we can verify. 

What about your dream? How to verify?

صلي الله عليه وسلم

[Lukongsimi]

I have no reason to doubt your story. I have vivid imagination when I was a small kid too. I dream Allah is wearing a Chinese costume, the kind I used to see in the olden days at Chinese wayang. 

But is it true? Surely Allah wearing a Chinese costume is not true. Is yours true? How do you verify? Your gut feeling doesn't count because nobody else feels the same as you.

So, how do you verify? I give you an example of a verification test, using Prophet Muhammad's claim that the angel Gabriel came to him with the Quran. Here we have something tangible we can verify. 

What about your dream? How to verify?

صلي الله عليه وسلم

How to verify ?
No matter what I tell u 
U will lol and mock 
No point 
As long I know He is Jesus 
Already told u bef but u no believe 
U just want to take this opportunity to target me
When u worship the devil u won’t understand what I m talking about
Your allah u dreamt is a wayang god?

[Ali Imran]

How to verify ?
No matter what I tell u 
U will lol and mock 
No point 
As long I know He is Jesus 
Already told u bef but u no believe 
U just want to take this opportunity to target me
When u worship the devil u won’t understand what I m talking about

I worship the same one Jesus worships. Because you don't worship the same one Jesus worships, you don't know what I'm talking about. 

I won't laugh at what you believe. When you said I am hinting that I am a messenger of God, I lol at that but you should not take it as laughing at your faith in the person of Jesus.

Anyhow pengyu. If you don't want to talk to me, please don't reply to me. I don't want you going around saying I am attacking you. But I do sincerely hope you think about everything we have discussed.

[Lukongsimi]

I worship the same one Jesus worships. Because you don't worship the same one Jesus worships, you don't know what I'm talking about. 

I won't laugh at what you believe. When you said I am hinting that I am a messenger of God, I lol at that but you should not take it as laughing at your faith in the person of Jesus.

Anyhow pengyu. If you don't want to talk to me, please don't reply to me. I don't want you going around saying I am attacking you. But I do sincerely hope you think about everything we have discussed.

If I don’t reply to u 
U will regard  me as a coward  n u win 
No cowards can enter heaven in the Bible 
We must fight for our rights

[Ali Imran]

If I don’t reply to u 
U will regard  me as a coward  n u win 
No cowards can enter heaven in the Bible 
We must fight for our rights

We will know who are the winners on judgement day.

Do you know that on that day, you will also be judged? Does your church teaches you that?

[Ali Imran]

We must fight for our rights

Is it right to mock or insult or rude toward other religious icons?

[Lukongsimi]

We will know who are the winners on judgement day.

Do you know that on that day, you will also be judged? Does your church teaches you that?

Everyone will be judged according to good or bad deeds 
Do u know who is the judge
Ask u bef u no reply?

[Lukongsimi]

Is it right to mock or insult or rude toward other religious icons?

Just now u insult God with another bro how? 4in 1
Lppl

[Lukongsimi]

Is it right to mock or insult or rude toward other religious icons?

[Ali Imran]

There is not a single hint of mocking or insult in that comment. I am telling it straight, that is all.

And it is very true. Let's take Prophet Abraham for example. Does he know God has a son? No, he doesn't because according to you, God hasn't revealed it yet. Prophet Moses also doesn't know that God has a son. If the Trinity was only revealed late in the history of mankind, it is also possible that in the future God will reveal to us that he also has a brother.

I am not mocking, or joking, or insulting. I am being critical.

Peace and blessings be upon the prophets mentioned.

[pinkpanther]

Has anyone else seen the angel Gabriel? Is muhammad telling the truth? There are no witnesses... he has no evidence whatsoever. It seems he's just fabricating everything! Yet you believe him simply because it's in the Quran that he revealed... what a joke.

[Ali Imran]

Everyone will be judged according to good or bad deeds 
Do u know who is the judge
Ask u bef u no reply?

The ultimate Judge is the almighty God.

So tell me what will happen when you are judged? Will your sins be held against you?

[pinkpanther]

#1505

On the day of judgment, it will be quite an extraordinary occasion for you. Muhammad will intercede on your behalf, and Fasting will also come forward to advocate for you.... Interestingly, the Black Stone will have the ability to see and speak, providing testimony for you..... The Quran will possess its own consciousness and will intercede as well. Additionally, your kawan Hope who can recite the entire Quran will be there to testify for you..... What a remarkable gathering it will be!

[pinkpanther]

#1512


Christ will judge individuals based on their faith in Him as well as their actions. Many Christians believe that salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ and that this faith is expressed through a transformed life and good works. .


Back to faith vs works...it is a combination of both!!

[Lukongsimi]

The ultimate Judge is the almighty God.

So tell me what will happen when you are judged? Will your sins be held against you?

How I know? me not the judge 
Matthew 25:31-46 tells us Jesus (as the Son of Man) will be the judge. Verse 33 says, “And He will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.” Whatever the case, Jesus is our judge. It behooves us to be in the Word, abide in Christ, and walk by the Spirit.

[Lukongsimi]

There is not a single hint of mocking or insult in that comment. I am telling it straight, that is all.

And it is very true. Let's take Prophet Abraham for example. Does he know God has a son? No, he doesn't because according to you, God hasn't revealed it yet. Prophet Moses also doesn't know that God has a son. If the Trinity was only revealed late in the history of mankind, it is also possible that in the future God will reveal to us that he also has a brother.

I am not mocking, or joking, or insulting. I am being critical.

Peace and blessings be upon the prophets mentioned.

Who said Moses don’t know
Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him.
Luke 9


Abraham was visited by three men one day; the men turned out to be unusual guests, to say the least, and the visit was life-changing for Abraham and Sarah. Genesis 18:1–2 says, “The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.” Abraham showed immediate hospitality to the three men, inviting them to rest under a tree and preparing a big meal for them (verses 3–8).

During their visit with Abraham, the three men warned him that God’s judgment was about to fall upon Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:20–21; 19:12–13). They also promised that Abraham’s wife, Sarah, would have a baby by the same time next year (Genesis 18:10).

[pinkpanther]

Who said Moses don’t know
Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him.
Luke 9


Abraham was visited by three men one day; the men turned out to be unusual guests, to say the least, and the visit was life-changing for Abraham and Sarah. Genesis 18:1–2 says, “The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.” Abraham showed immediate hospitality to the three men, inviting them to rest under a tree and preparing a big meal for them (verses 3–8).

During their visit with Abraham, the three men warned him that God’s judgment was about to fall upon Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:20–21; 19:12–13). They also promised that Abraham’s wife, Sarah, would have a baby by the same time next year (Genesis 18:10).

During Moses' time, his mission was to convey God's laws to the people.....Did he teach the concept of the Trinity? No! If he had truly experienced "all of God's goodness," he would have recognized God's triune nature.....

However, by the time of his conversation with Jesus alongside Elijah, he would have been fully aware of God's triune essence!

[Ali Imran]

Who said Moses don’t know
Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him.
Luke 9


Abraham was visited by three men one day; the men turned out to be unusual guests, to say the least, and the visit was life-changing for Abraham and Sarah. Genesis 18:1–2 says, “The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.” Abraham showed immediate hospitality to the three men, inviting them to rest under a tree and preparing a big meal for them (verses 3–8).

During their visit with Abraham, the three men warned him that God’s judgment was about to fall upon Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:20–21; 19:12–13). They also promised that Abraham’s wife, Sarah, would have a baby by the same time next year (Genesis 18:10).

Moses knew God has a son as what you believe?

How come Moses never tell people God has a son?

[pinkpanther]

Moses only pay Jesus a visit lah...if The Father had granted him a year stay...you will be a Christian already!

You should ask directly why The Father didn't hold a press conference and announce that Jesus was His Son!

[pinkpanther]

On two occasions, human witnesses heard God speak with a voice they understood, confirming that Jesus was his son.

The first of these occasions was Jesus’ baptism.  It is recorded in Matthew, Mark and Luke:

…suddenly the heavens were opened to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.  And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, who I love. I am very pleased with him.” (Matthew 3:16-17 – See also Mark 1:10-11; Luke 3:21-22.)

The second occasion was on the mountain where Jesus was transfigured, and is also recorded in Matthew, Mark and Luke.  On this occasion, God not only said that Jesus was his son, but also commanded the disciples who were with Jesus to listen to him:

…suddenly a bright cloud overshadowed them, and from the cloud a voice said, “This is my Son, who I love. I am very pleased with him. Listen to him!”  (Matthew 17:1-8 – See also Mark 9:2-8; Luke 9:28-36.)

The apostle Peter was with Jesus on the mountain on this second occasion and later confirmed that he and his companions heard God acknowledge Jesus as his son:

“For he received honor and glory from God the Father when that voice was conveyed to him by the Majestic Glory, saying, ‘This is my Son, who I love.  I am very pleased with him.’  We ourselves heard this voice come from heaven, while we were with him on the holy mountain.” (2 Peter 1:17-18)

[Lukongsimi]

Moses knew God has a son as what you believe?

How come Moses never tell people God has a son?

U claim u know the Bible more than me n now ask me why?
However, Moses and Aaron bring God's message to Pharaoh, and it doesn't seem to go as smoothly as the miracle with Moses' staff. Pharaoh sneers at Yahweh's name. Pharaoh said, “Who is Yahweh that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I do not know Yahweh, and besides, I will not let Israel go

[Lukongsimi]

During Moses' time, his mission was to convey God's laws to the people.....Did he teach the concept of the Trinity? No! If he had truly experienced "all of God's goodness," he would have recognized God's triune nature.....

However, by the time of his conversation with Jesus alongside Elijah, he would have been fully aware of God's triune essence!

During Moses time there was no baptism of the Holy Spirit n Jesus hasn’t born yet

[S I M T A N]

During Moses' time in the OT, there was a momentous event which we're familiar with, and Jesus used it to illustrate what saving faith is all about.

Because of the Israelites' continued rebellion and ingratitude, God sent poisonous snakes to bite them. As they watched many of their fellow Israelites die, the people begged Moses to ask God to heal those bitten by the serpents. God then instructed Moses to make a bronze image of a serpent, place it on a pole, and tell the people that if anyone who had been bitten by a serpent would look up at the bronze image on a pole he would immediately be healed and would live. Moses did as told (Num 21:9).

God could have provided healing for every Israelite who was dying, but He didn't. Instead, God's healing was restricted to those who demonstrated their faith in God's ability to deliver them from death by looking one time at the serpent on the pole.

Jesus drew parallels between the following two verses to explain how a person can be saved from eternal death: "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life (John 3:14-15).

In the verse that follows, Jesus applies that story to the issue of salvation: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life (v.16).

Eternal life is gifted only to those who exercise faith in Jesus's ability to deliver them from the eternal consequences of sin. For the Israelites a one-time glance at the bronze serpent brought healing. For us today, a one-time belief in Jesus's ability to forgive our sins bring eternal life.

[S I M T A N]

#1512


Christ will judge individuals based on their faith in Him as well as their actions. Many Christians believe that salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ and that this faith is expressed through a transformed life and good works. .


Back to faith vs works...it is a combination of both!!

You give a succinct overview of the grace vs work issue, in line with Scriptures. I never tire of talking about original sin and the absolute necessity of grace for salvation. So plse excuse my verbose input.

Grace is universally available, but not all will avail themselves of it. To doers of law, salvation is by works, the very opposite of salvation through faith. Their idea is that God expects them to produce as many good deeds as they can and ask Him to forgive the bad deeds ('Do your best and leave the rest - in his hands'). Their religious system attempts to earn God's favor by works and rituals rather than by reliance on God's grace, and that appeals to their pride rather than their desperate condition before God. They emphasize humanity's goodness rather than humanity's sinfulness. The Bible says, "There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death" (Prov. 14:12).

Born-again believers combine justification by faith with sanctification by works. "Justification" is a legal term, borrowed from the law courts. It's the 
judge's declaration that a defendant on trial is innocent of the charge and may leave the court a free person with a clear conscience. However, a guilty person can only be thus acquitted after the due penalty has been paid by someone else. Then justice and mercy have both been satisfied. The innocent has been treated as guilty and the guilty as innocent. Had this substitution not taken place, the release of the prisoner at the bar would be a miscarriage of justice. In practice, justification is tantamount to forgiveness albeit at another's expense.

Redeemed believers make an effort to supplement their faith with goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness and love. This will not only make us effective and productive in this life but ensure we'll never fall, but receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ (2Peter 1:5-11). Faith and works go hand in hand.

[Lukongsimi]

“Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, Nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; And in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, That bringeth forth his fruit in his season; His leaf also shall not wither; And whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: But are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: But the way of the ungodly shall perish.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭KJV

[Lukongsimi]

Peaceful today
Praise the Lord

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bZ8ofaSNDyw?s...fYrx6CVEOk

[grotesqueness]

Peaceful today
Praise the Lord

your conundrums can be easily be answered by one of these questions

why we are all here in our beginning
why you are here
what the purpose of your existent

these questions can answered most of our conundrums

you still need God to guild us all cause we all ate "the apple"

[pinkpanther]

[S I M T A N]

your conundrums can be easily be answered by one of these questions

why we are all here in our beginning
why you are here
what the purpose of your existent

these questions can answered most of our conundrums

you still need God to guild us all cause we all ate "the apple"

I get your drift. The Bible has the answers to many theological conundrums, such as our purpose on earth and 'why is there so much evil and suffering in the world.' But one thorny conundrum remains: why must I suffer for what Adam did? We'll go into that later.

In the beginning, God gave the First Couple freedom to enjoy the fruit of all the trees in the garden except one. Satan drew Eve's attention away from God's bountiful gifts and made her focus on God's single prohibition. The serpent claimed "God is trying to keep you from enjoying the one experience that would really make you happy. He doesn't want you to eat from the forbidden tree because He's afraid you'll become like Him."

Most unfortunately, Eve took the bait and the rest, as they say, is history. Just one little bite of forbidden fruit.. what's the big deal? one might ask. Everyone makes mistakes after all. This mistake, however, resulted in seismic consequences for the entire human race. It only takes a little sin to contaminate an entire life as Paul elaborates in Rom 5:12: "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned."

Adam's defiance of the Creator's clear command is described by Paul as the entry point of the sin virus that spread to the entire race. Because we're all descendants of the First Couple, we've all been infected with the destructive sin virus that separates us from God. You could in a sense say we all "ate the apple."

Adam and Eve were commanded by God to procreate and fill the earth with their offspring. Had they never sinned, perhaps the world today would be
populated with a race of sinless people living in perfect harmony. But Adam and Eve's sin in the garden marred God's beautiful plan. Lest we be too
hard on them, however, had any of us been in the garden instead of them, we probably would have done the same thing. Adam and Eve enjoyed ideal
conditions and perfect light and still sinned. We could have done no better.