Scripture readings for Christmas

(11-04-2025, 11:48 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  More than 120 lambs being transported by air from Ireland to Singapore died of suspected heat stress on the journey at the weekend.
They were part of a consignment of 1,704 Irish lambs sent to Singapore for the korban, the annual ritual slaughter of livestock held to mark Eid al-Adha, the second major Muslim holiday of the Eid period.

Unnecessary deaths are needed to magnify their obedience to God... Clapping
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(11-04-2025, 11:09 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9‬:‭22‬ ‭NIV

Jesus Christ the Lamb of God had been sacrificed once and for all lah! His blood was shed on the cross for ALL mankind lah! It is finished lah! Big Grin Good Friday is coming soon lah!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p03a3v3kK6E
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(11-04-2025, 02:49 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Jesus Christ the Lamb of God had been sacrificed once and for all lah! His blood was shed on the cross for ALL mankind lah! It is finished lah! Big Grin Good Friday is coming soon lah!

Yes lah,  No one and no animals should have to die for the sake of religious practices lah Big Grin ....
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https://youtu.be/PiS8KHxwpV0?si=v9nrUdJDLr552wW7
End time alert

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Southern India earthquake alert!

https://www.youtube.com/live/kugnhxVmhN4...fzh2frWKcm

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-04-2025, 11:09 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9‬:‭22‬ ‭NIV

At the time of Prophet Ezekiel, everything could be cleansed with sincere repentance, making amends, and obedience to the law. No blood of any kind of sacrifice, be it animal or human sacrifice, was needed. God was able to just forgive sins, erasing all our sins.

Whoever it was who said that the law requires cleansing of most sins must be with blood is a heretic, inventing something that is not true.
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Prophet Muhammad discouraged the practice of excessive singing or praising him directly through songs or hymns. The focus should be on acknowledging his role as a messenger of God and emphasizing the importance of following his teachings. 

Why are moslems not following his teachings? Thinking

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/1NNziKmHDZ8
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The OT forbids worshiping anyone other than God (Exodus 20:1-5; Deut 5:6-9). The NT agrees, showing humans refusal of worship, as did angels. (Rev 22:8-9). But Jesus accepted worship on many occasions. A healed leper worshiped Him (Matt 8:2), and a ruler knelt before Him with a request (9:18).

After Jesus stilled the storm, "those in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God" (14:33). A group of Canaanite women (15:25), the mother of James and John (20:20) and the Gerasene demoniac (Mark 5:6) all worshiped Jesus without a single word of rebuke (Rev 22:8-9). A blind man said, "Lord, I believe. And he worshiped Him" (John 9:38). Jesus elicited worship in some cases, as when Thomas saw the risen Christ and cried out, "My Lord and my God!" (20:28). This could only be accepted by a person who seriously considered Himself to be God.
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(11-04-2025, 09:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Yes, I have been through many discussions with Christians on the Trinity. None of them can show me any proof of any prophets of God, including Jesus, teaching the idea of the Trinity. Never. All they ever did was to show me some ambiguous verses that could, if we bend them really hard, support the idea of the Trinity.

Jesus said, the most important commandment is to say God is One. I will hold on to that with all my might, and I will alter nor add even an iota to that command. If that is my faith, am I on the right path? Please tell.


I recall you saying that Jesus had never declared, "I am God." I suppose you would believe He's God if you heard it straight from the horse's mouth. (Christ Himself) Am I right to say that? Mind you, there are a great many unambiguous verses attesting to the deity of Christ. Did you do your  homework before the debates with Christians in other forums and here?

First off, Jehovah, or, more properly, Yahweh, is the special name given by God for Himself. It's the name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14 when God said, "I AM WHO I AM." The name has connotations of God's self-existence. Yahweh is only used to refer to the one true God. Isaiah wrote, "I am the Lord (Yahweh): that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images" (42:8). Little wonder, then, that the Jews picked up stones and accused Jesus of blasphemy when He claimed to be Jehovah.

Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd" (John 10:11). Equally, the OT said, "The Lord (Yahweh) is my shepherd (Ps 23:1). Jesus claimed to be the judge of all people (Matt 25:31-46; John 5:27-30). Equally, the prophet Joel quotes Yahweh as saying, "For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations" (Joel 3:12).

Jesus prayed, "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" (John 17:5). Equally, Yahweh of the OT said, "I will not give My glory to another" (Isa 42:8). Further, Jesus spoke of Himself as the "bridegroom" (Matt 25:1). The OT identifies Yahweh in a similar vein (Isa 62:5; Hosea 2:16).

The risen Christ says, "I am the first and the last" (Rev 1:17) - precisely the words used by Yahweh in Isaiah 44:6. While the psalmist declares, "(Yahweh) is my light (Ps 27:1), Jesus said, "I am the Light of the world" (John 8:12). Perhaps the strongest claim Jesus made to be Yahweh is in John 8:58, where He says, "Before Abraham was born, I Am." This statement claims not only existence before Abraham, but equality with the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14. The same claim is made in Mark 14:62 and John 18:5-6.

If time permits, I can go on and on about the divinity of Jesus Christ, backed up with scriptural texts, but I think that's enough for now.
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Satan took Jesus to the highest point of the Temple in Jerusalem and suggested he jump down, claiming God's angels would protect him. Jesus again quoted scripture, this time Deuteronomy 6:16, cautioning against putting God to the test.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 01:38 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  I recall you saying that Jesus had never declared, "I am God." I suppose you would believe He's God if you heard it straight from the horse's mouth. (Christ Himself) Am I right to say that? Mind you, there are a great many unambiguous verses attesting to the deity of Christ. Did you do your  homework before the debates with Christians in other forums and here?

First off, Jehovah, or, more properly, Yahweh, is the special name given by God for Himself. It's the name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14 when God said, "I AM WHO I AM." The name has connotations of God's self-existence. Yahweh is only used to refer to the one true God. Isaiah wrote, "I am the Lord (Yahweh): that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images" (42:8). Little wonder, then, that the Jews picked up stones and accused Jesus of blasphemy when He claimed to be Jehovah.

Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd" (John 10:11). Equally, the OT said, "The Lord (Yahweh) is my shepherd (Ps 23:1). Jesus claimed to be the judge of all people (Matt 25:31-46; John 5:27-30). Equally, the prophet Joel quotes Yahweh as saying, "For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations" (Joel 3:12).

Jesus prayed, "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" (John 17:5). Equally, Yahweh of the OT said, "I will not give My glory to another" (Isa 42:8). Further, Jesus spoke of Himself as the "bridegroom" (Matt 25:1). The OT identifies Yahweh in a similar vein (Isa 62:5; Hosea 2:16).

The risen Christ says, "I am the first and the last" (Rev 1:17) - precisely the words used by Yahweh in Isaiah 44:6. While the psalmist declares, "(Yahweh) is my light (Ps 27:1), Jesus said, "I am the Light of the world" (John 8:12). Perhaps the strongest claim Jesus made to be Yahweh is in John 8:58, where He says, "Before Abraham was born, I Am." This statement claims not only existence before Abraham, but equality with the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14. The same claim is made in Mark 14:62 and John 18:5-6.

If time permits, I can go on and on about the divinity of Jesus Christ, backed up with scriptural texts, but I think that's enough for now.

I will pose a hypothesis. Please humor me.

You quoted John 10, the good shepherd. If you were there, as a peasant of that time, and you heard a prophet of God saying he is a good shepherd, would you immediately think "Oh.. he is saying he is God"? 

I want your honest answer.
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(11-04-2025, 06:18 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes lah,  No one and no animals should have to die for the sake of religious practices lah Big Grin ....

Tomorrow is known as Palm Sunday lah! Big Grin Prepare your heart right now lah! "Hosanna!"
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(Yesterday, 01:19 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  The OT forbids worshiping anyone other than God (Exodus 20:1-5; Deut 5:6-9). The NT agrees, showing humans refusal of worship, as did angels. (Rev 22:8-9). But Jesus accepted worship on many occasions. A healed leper worshiped Him (Matt 8:2), and a ruler knelt before Him with a request (9:18).

After Jesus stilled the storm, "those in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God" (14:33). A group of Canaanite women (15:25), the mother of James and John (20:20) and the Gerasene demoniac (Mark 5:6) all worshiped Jesus without a single word of rebuke (Rev 22:8-9). A blind man said, "Lord, I believe. And he worshiped Him" (John 9:38). Jesus elicited worship in some cases, as when Thomas saw the risen Christ and cried out, "My Lord and my God!" (20:28). This could only be accepted by a person who seriously considered Himself to be God.

Let's talk about Mark 5. The demon-possessed man knew Jesus as a man, a son of God. Jesus's reputation as a miracle worker already preceded him. So when the man saw Jesus, the man paid reverence in Jesus's presence. The Greek word used is "proskuneo", which can mean worshipping God, but can also mean showing respect or reverence to a man. Which meaning should we choose? The latter, because the demon-possessed man referred to Jesus as a man, not God.

All the other verses you cited, they share the same ambiguity. They could be this or that. 

We don't quibble that the Father is God because we can see the Father clearly saying he is God, without any ambiguity. I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God  - Isaiah 45:5, absolutely no ambiguity.
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Why the demon scared of Jesus ? Cos Jesus is God incarnated
If the old man encounters the demon he will screams Tarkut!
N the demon will chase him down the road

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Why Adam n eve sinned n was chased out of the garden of Eden ?
Then humanity bears their sin
Blood of animals were then sacrificed in the OT for forgiveness of sin
Today if we need to sacrifice animal blood 🩸 the poor can’t afford
Jesus make is so easy for us once n for all

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(Yesterday, 01:10 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Why Adam n eve sinned n was chased out of the garden of Eden ?
Then humanity bears their sin
Blood of animals were then sacrificed in the OT for forgiveness of sin
Today if we need to sacrifice animal blood 🩸 the poor can’t afford
Jesus make is so easy for us once n for all

First, a sin was invented, put on all of mankind who didn't commit that sin. 

Then, a rule was invented: the sin can only be removed through blood sacrifice. The poor cannot afford it, so they cannot remove the sin.

Lastly, a solution was provided to a problem that actually didn't exist, the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus.

That is Christianity, from the perspective of a non-Christian like me.
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So fortunate that Christians has the Saviour Jesus Christ 
The wise choose Jesus as the way 
Better than pray pray fast fast no saviour n u tot good deeds can help.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Earthquake hits Pakistan

https://youtu.be/Ftn9XhFpmXI?si=Eem5Lc3KlI0jVtC7

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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https://youtu.be/u66fKq_ZgDY?si=8JmeceaidtahYhu6

California shaken by 4 earthquakes within 12 hours

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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thx for sharing
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(Yesterday, 10:15 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I will pose a hypothesis. Please humor me.

You quoted John 10, the good shepherd. If you were there, as a peasant of that time, and you heard a prophet of God saying he is a good shepherd, would you immediately think "Oh.. he is saying he is God"? 

I want your honest answer.

If I were an atheistic peasant or a peasant Moslem hearing a prophet of God claiming to be the good shepherd who's laying down his life for his sheep, I'd think he's either a liar or a lunatic. A prophet by definition delivers God's messages and can never take the place of the Almighty. This definition sits well with Muslims.

However, if I were a sheep, aka disciple, I'd believe in His deity very strongly, and concur with the disciples of yore who attributed to Jesus the Titles of Deity. They called Him "the first and the last" (Rev 1:17; 2:8; 22:13), "the true Light" (John 1:9), their "rock" or "stone" (1 Cor 10:4; 1 Pet 2:6-8), the "Bridegroom" (Eph 5:28-33), "the Chief Shepherd" (1 Pet: 5:4), and "the great Shepherd" (Heb 13:20) He is seen as the Forgiver of sins (Acts 5:31; Col 3:13; Jer 31:34) and Savior of the world" (John 4:42; Isa 43:3). "Christ Jesus... is to judge the living and the dead" (2 Tim 4:1). All of these titles are given to Yahweh in the OT and to Jesus in the New. Your hypothetical strawman is an inept and futile attempt to pooh-pooh the divinity of Christ.
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(Yesterday, 12:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Let's talk about Mark 5. The demon-possessed man knew Jesus as a man, a son of God. Jesus's reputation as a miracle worker already preceded him. So when the man saw Jesus, the man paid reverence in Jesus's presence. The Greek word used is "proskuneo", which can mean worshipping God, but can also mean showing respect or reverence to a man. Which meaning should we choose? The latter, because the demon-possessed man referred to Jesus as a man, not God.

All the other verses you cited, they share the same ambiguity. They could be this or that. 

We don't quibble that the Father is God because we can see the Father clearly saying he is God, without any ambiguity. I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God  - Isaiah 45:5, absolutely no ambiguity.

The disciples called Jesus God directly, but you're so concerned about drawing the distinction between 'worship' and 'reverence' that you can't see the forest for the trees. The NT opens with a passage concluding that Jesus is Immanuel - God with us - which refers to the messianic prediction of Isaiah 7:14. The very title "Christ" carries the same meaning as the Hebrew appellation "Messiah" (Anointed).

Yahweh says in Zech 12:10, "They will look on Me whom they have pierced." The NT writers apply this text to Jesus twice, predicting His crucifixion (John 19:37; Rev 1:7). Paul interprets Isaiah's message, "For I am God , and there is no other ... To Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance" (Isa 45:22-23) as applying to the Lord: "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow .. every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil 2:10-11). The implications of this are strong because Paul says that all created beings will call Jesus both Messiah (Christ) and Yahweh (Lord).
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